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Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:01:00 -
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SOV 0.0 is seriously broken.
It's the playground of large coalitions. Most systems aren't used. The coalitions brought the risk vs reward system to the ground. Where is the risk if most players there are blue to each other?
The SOV system and the standing system for 0.0 are broken beyond repair. Best start all over again. Delete all POS's, Stations and SOV structures in SOV 0.0 from the game.
Remove the abitlity for alliances to set standings towards other alliances or corporations beside NPCs. Limit the available standing markers for Corporations below 10.
Set costs or increase them to limit the number of members of corporations and alliances to below 2000 without financial overkill. We need a patchwork rug SOV 0.0 and not that dead super corporation/alliance/coalition SOV 0.0 of today.
Limit the proliferation of Super Capitals, Titans and the ability to project power. The mechanics of Capital ships, Super Capitals, Titans, Jump Bridges and Cynosural Fields have to be changed.
CCP you created all that systems and game mechanics. Ii'm sure you can come up with something smart to make SOV 0.0 fun again.
Let the hammer fall on SOV 0.0! |

Daimon Kaiera
Get Off My Lawn
31
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:04:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote: The SOV system and the standing system for 0.0 are broken beyond repair. Best start all over again. Delete all POS's, Stations and SOV structures in SOV 0.0 from the game.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
939
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:07:00 -
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I wish you people would post with your firgging null sec main when you make posts bitching about "large coalitions".
Otherwise how the hell is anyone supposed to take the **** you write as being any sort of credible when all they see is a high sec NPC corp under your name.
You're just another high sec character bitching about blobs. The **** is anyone supposed to know if you actually play and live in null.
Some of you are real geniuses you know.
And for the bazzillionth time. Null isn't about small groups, go to low for that. And space would be populated if there was actual content to do in those systems.
You gusy never ***** about empty high sec systems, which there are a lot of. No one plays in a system with one asteroid belt and level 2 missions for chist sakes.
Why the hell would you expect them to do the same thing in null systems? |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1842
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:13:00 -
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IBTL and this thread is going places.
I'll have abloobloobloo bloobloobloo Christmas shiptoast! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1857
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:15:00 -
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I'm from an NPC corp too, but I know all about nullsec politics, oh yes. |

Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
13
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:15:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:Best start all over again. Delete all POS's, Stations and SOV structures in SOV 0.0 from the game.
A tempting suggestion, if only to see how long it would take for new coalitions to form and take over all of 0.0 again.
In other words, your "hammer" would be striking nothing but a bucketful of water. You'd make one gigantic splash, some water would spill out of the bucket, but eventually the water would just settle back in the bucket just the way it was before you yelled "Hammertime!" |

BJ McGreaves
Lost Dawn Chaos Stealth Syndicate
19
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:16:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I wish you people would post with your firgging null sec main when you make posts bitching about "large coalitions".
Otherwise how the hell is anyone supposed to take the **** you write as being any sort of credible when all they see is a high sec NPC corp under your name.
You're just another high sec character bitching about blobs. The **** is anyone supposed to know if you actually play and live in null.
As a high sec player, I couldn't agree with this more.
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Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:16:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:(...) [insert the standard SOV 0.0 coalition yada yada yada here] (...)
Seems the 1st dog started barking and it's a Goon. What a surprise.
Well Sir your point is very weak since your alliance is a huge part of the problem called CFC & Co but there are others beside you.
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:19:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:I'm from an NPC corp too, but I know all about nullsec politics, oh yes. Confirming that NPC corp alts are the prime authority on all things null-sec. |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:20:00 -
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Zaknussem wrote:Miri Amatonur wrote:Best start all over again. Delete all POS's, Stations and SOV structures in SOV 0.0 from the game. A tempting suggestion, if only to see how long it would take for new coalitions to form and take over all of 0.0 again. In other words, your "hammer" would be striking nothing but a bucketful of water. You'd make one gigantic splash, some water would spill out of the bucket, but eventually the water would just settle back in the bucket just the way it was before you yelled "Hammertime!"
You can't stop there that is right. But with the removal of standing marks for alliances towards other alliances and player corporations it would be very hard to keep friendly fire in line within these coalitions. The max number of members per player corporation and alliance has to be set as well. |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1843
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:20:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:(...) [insert the standard SOV 0.0 coalition yada yada yada here] (...) Seems the 1st dog started barking and it's a Goon. What a surprise. Well Sir your point is very weak since your alliance is a huge part of the problem called CFC & Co but there are others beside you. Abloobloobloo Christmas to you, too!
Shiptoasting is also a problem, you know. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:22:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:I'm from an NPC corp too, but I know all about nullsec politics, oh yes. Confirming that NPC corp alts are the prime authority on all things null-sec.
Indeed we are. What cover is better to promote new ideas? |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1843
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:23:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:Zaknussem wrote:Miri Amatonur wrote:Best start all over again. Delete all POS's, Stations and SOV structures in SOV 0.0 from the game. A tempting suggestion, if only to see how long it would take for new coalitions to form and take over all of 0.0 again. In other words, your "hammer" would be striking nothing but a bucketful of water. You'd make one gigantic splash, some water would spill out of the bucket, but eventually the water would just settle back in the bucket just the way it was before you yelled "Hammertime!" You can't stop there that is right. But with the removal of standing marks for alliances towards other alliances and player corporations it would be very hard to keep friendly fire in line within these coalitions. The max number of members per player corporation and alliance has to be set as well. We have out-of-game assets which would make this a trivial issue.
Further, we would start shooting only reds, which everybody else would be set to except the CFC.
Your "solution" is pretty stupid if/when you really think about it. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:25:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Miri Amatonur wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:(...) [insert the standard SOV 0.0 coalition yada yada yada here] (...) Seems the 1st dog started barking and it's a Goon. What a surprise. Well Sir your point is very weak since your alliance is a huge part of the problem called CFC & Co but there are others beside you. Abloobloobloo Christmas to you, too! Shiptoasting is also a problem, you know.
Are you trying to derail a valueable thead? No. But maybe you could start your own thread about shiptoasting. I'm sure it'll lead to an interesting discussions and a huge leap for mankind.
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1843
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:26:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Miri Amatonur wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:(...) [insert the standard SOV 0.0 coalition yada yada yada here] (...) Seems the 1st dog started barking and it's a Goon. What a surprise. Well Sir your point is very weak since your alliance is a huge part of the problem called CFC & Co but there are others beside you. Abloobloobloo Christmas to you, too! Shiptoasting is also a problem, you know. Are you trying to derail a valueable thead? No. But maybe you could start your own thread about shiptoasting. I'm sure it'll lead to an interesting discussions and a huge leap for mankind. We have out-of-game assets for that, too. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:27:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: We have out-of-game assets which would make this a trivial issue.
Further, we would start shooting only reds, which everybody else would be set to except the CFC.
Your "solution" is pretty stupid if/when you really think about it.
It will be interesting to see how you'll set something to red if alliances can't set a standing anymore and corporations are limited to do so or it could be removed for them too.
Out of game stuff won't prevent ingame friendly fire. |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1843
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:28:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: We have out-of-game assets which would make this a trivial issue.
Further, we would start shooting only reds, which everybody else would be set to except the CFC.
Your "solution" is pretty stupid if/when you really think about it.
It will be interesting to see how you'll set something to red if alliances can't set a standing anymore and corporations are limited to do so or it could be removed for them too. Out of game stuff won't prevent ingame friendly fire. Want to bet?
Edit: Keep taking away functionality. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:29:00 -
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Sure 1 ISK. Find me in Jita after CCP took the hammer. |

Zenethalos
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
9
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:29:00 -
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The issue is not the large coalitions or the proliferation of empty space. There are a severe lack of things to do 0.0 and the core sov mechanic makes it tedious and boring for the average line pilots. Mix that with the potential for great moon goo income why would you want to risk losing it all to a rival power bloc when you guys can just bro up, secure your income and have fun bashing every one else with safety and impunity. Those who control the spice...
If 90% of the space was not worth crap, and moo goo was better dispersed, sprinkle in some other strategic combat options to take sov that does not require large fleets and then maybe, just maybe 0.0 will become interesting enough and rewarding enough to not blue up all your neighbors. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
940
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:34:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:(...) [insert the standard SOV 0.0 coalition yada yada yada here] (...) Seems the 1st dog started barking and it's a Goon. What a surprise. Well Sir your point is very weak since your alliance is a huge part of the problem called CFC & Co but there are others beside you. There's simply no acceptable way to say this other then,
Post with your main *****, or stop bitching about null.
Untill then your just another high sec character bitching about **** you're not involved in.
Edit: At least you can see with who and where I play when I make an observation about something. My balls are laying on the table for everyone to see, I'm not hiding like a coward. |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:34:00 -
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Zenethalos wrote:The issue is not the large coalitions or the proliferation of empty space. There are a severe lack of things to do 0.0 and the core sov mechanic makes it tedious and boring for the average line pilots. Mix that with the potential for great moon goo income why would you want to risk losing it all to a rival power bloc when you guys can just bro up, secure your income and have fun basing every one else with safety and impunity. Those who control the spice...
Only CCP can change that and because it is that way. It's the best they start from scratch.
Let the hammer fall on SOV 0.0 and it's super caps, titans and so on. New game systems and mechanics are needed to populate the place.
Large coalitions and alliances would be able to exploit the new systems to much. The very same way they do it today. They are part of the problem. With large i mean everything above 2000/3000 characters.
Let the hammer fall! |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
942
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:36:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:Zenethalos wrote:The issue is not the large coalitions or the proliferation of empty space. There are a severe lack of things to do 0.0 and the core sov mechanic makes it tedious and boring for the average line pilots. Mix that with the potential for great moon goo income why would you want to risk losing it all to a rival power bloc when you guys can just bro up, secure your income and have fun basing every one else with safety and impunity. Those who control the spice... Only CCP can change that and because it is that way. It's the best they start from scratch. Let the hammer fall on SOV 0.0 and it's super caps, titans and so on. New game systems and mechanics are needed to populate the place. Large coalitions and alliances would be able to exploit the new systems to much. The very same way they do it today. They are part of the problem. With large i mean everything above 2000/3000 characters. Let the hammer fall! Obviously high sec charaters are experts on null.
You're a coward. Stop being a coward.
Post with your null main or shut the **** up. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
942
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:38:00 -
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PS: CCP should ban anyone that makes a post about how null needs to be fixed when they post with a character with no null history. |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:40:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: There's simply no acceptable way to say this other then,
Post with your main *****, or stop bitching about null.
Untill then your just another high sec character bitching about **** you're not involved in.
Edit: At least you can see with who and where I play when I make an observation about something. My balls are laying on the table for everyone to see, I'm not hiding like a coward.
There is always a more acceptable language to talk about something.
Your friends claim the rights you want to take from me to talk about other parts of the game they don't like. I do the very same. Coward or not. You don't silence me with that. It's always better to be a living coward than a dead hero. 
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Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
464
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:42:00 -
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While you're at it, replace all titans with monster trucks? A CSM member has seriously proposed it before  Hyjinx of a Highsec Pirate http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:47:00 -
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SOV 0.0 alliances are in the huge game about wealth, fame, reources and so on. They are like national states. National states have no friends. The removal of the ability to set standings towards other alliances is just natural. If you hate someone declare a war to make them flashy or shoot any neutrals you encounter in your space. More PVP. More destroyed ships. It has something for all aspects of EVE. From mining over industry to the way of the warrior. |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:47:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:SOV 0.0 alliances are in the huge game about wealth, fame, reources and so on. They are like national states. National states have no friends. The removal of the ability to set standings towards other alliances is just natural. If you hate someone declare a war to make them flashy or shoot any neutrals you encounter in your space. More PVP. More destroyed ships. It has something for all aspects of EVE. From mining over industry to the way of the warrior. This will change nothing. If player faction wish to have diplomatic relations with another player faction, they will have them, with the help of interface in the form of standings or without. And it's worth stating that idea of cutting interface support from anything is never a good idea.
I do understand that it's GD's tradition to create gazillion of threads on the same damn subject, but could you please at least propose changes that would actually work towards your agenda (nvm that they probably won't be implemented anyways)? |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
942
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:53:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: There's simply no acceptable way to say this other then,
Post with your main *****, or stop bitching about null.
Untill then your just another high sec character bitching about **** you're not involved in.
Edit: At least you can see with who and where I play when I make an observation about something. My balls are laying on the table for everyone to see, I'm not hiding like a coward.
There is always a more acceptable language to talk about something. Your friends claim the rights you want to take from me to talk about other parts of the game they don't like. I do the very same. Coward or not. You don't silence me with that. It's always better to be a living coward than a dead hero.  We didnt' all come from SA dirrectly to null, contrary to what you think.
Everyone knows what high sec is like.
You don't know a damn thing about null as far asnyone knows. Youv're corp history is comprised of a yera of NPC corp life.
Nat may only have a month of high sec history, but the player has 6 years of worth of to draw from. I know what I'm taling, according to the character you're posting with, you do not.
Post with your null sec main. You have no right to talk about what is needed if you can't prove you have first hand experience with it.
I've never done faction warfare, I've never made a thread talking about what it needs.
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Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:54:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote: This will change nothing. If player faction wish to have diplomatic relations with another player faction, they will have them, with the help of interface in the form of standings or without. And it's worth stating that idea of cutting interface support from anything is never a good idea.
I do understand that it's GD's tradition to create gazillion of threads on the same damn subject, but could you please at least propose changes that would actually work towards your agenda (nvm that they probably won't be implemented anyways)?
I see your point but i don't have to share it. The removal of standings shall not prevent diplomacy. But diplomacy becomes much more interesting if friendly fire is live on the battlefields. You'll always have it. It's always annoying as small as it may be and might prevent coalitions in the future. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
942
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:54:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:SOV 0.0 alliances are in the huge game about wealth, fame, reources and so on. They are like national states. National states have no friends. The removal of the ability to set standings towards other alliances is just natural. If you hate someone declare a war to make them flashy or shoot any neutrals you encounter in your space. More PVP. More destroyed ships. It has something for all aspects of EVE. From mining over industry to the way of the warrior. You appear as out of touch with reality as you are with null politices.
You don't need "standing mechanics" in the real world to know who's yor friend or foe.
Genius. |
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