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I agree with OP.

My ideas:
a) Remove Insurance altogether. With PvE mostly being so easy and unchallenging it's clear that it's only used to support suicide ganks.

Er, you do realise that PvP other than suicide ganking still happens now and then, here and there, right?

Removing insurance altogether would massively alter the cost balance between T1 and T2 ships, which would in turn strongly disadvantage new players. Oh and it would depress the mineral market, giving miners - the ultimate beneficiary of insurance ISK - yet another kick in the balls.

Removing insurance altogether would massively alter the cost balance between T1 and T2 ships, which would in turn strongly disadvantage new players. Oh and it would depress the mineral market, giving miners - the ultimate beneficiary of insurance ISK - yet another kick in the balls.

I don't believe that. Suicide gankers and PvP players in general would find other ways to get extra ISK to buy new ships. I doubt it if the industrials would even notice any difference at all.

And it makes no sense to have your ship replaced anyway when you deliberately put it at risk. A real insurance company

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My ideas:
a) Remove Insurance altogether. With PvE mostly being so easy and unchallenging it's clear that it's only used to support suicide ganks.

I'm not going to pretend this is entirely my idea, as it has been kicked around before, however this seems like a really good time to return to the subject.
I understand CCP (Hilmar) is considering changing the mechanics of Concorde, and this concerns me. In real life, the police always arrive too late, or at best, well after the event has started. In my opinion, this is the way it should be in EVE. Instant death etc simply won't cut it in our sandbox.

Falling asleep at the Jita/Perimeter gate with a 6B cargo while flying an Ibis needs to have consequences. If you are lucky, arriving at your stop in a pod to the jeers of New Eden!


However, consider real life. You find yourself short of cash, or disgruntled with a shop owner, and decide to drive your car through the front of the shop to get revenge/pillage the contents or so on. The police nab you and in your one call after arrest you call the insurance company and demand your payment. If they work out you are actually serious, they will laugh.

Why should EVE be different. Why should 7 pilots in Battleships be given 100% payouts for destroying a Orca in a criminal act, as I saw recently happened somewhere in Gallente territory?
I am certainly not suggesting that the gank should not be possible, in the sandbox if you are determined enough all things should be possible, however you should expect to bear the financial penalty in addition to the standings loss, for what that is worth.

The current situation only tells me that CCP originally didn't have the capacity, or will, to code in that Concorde kill = 0% payout overriding the insurance payout, as it is completely ludicrous.

Edit: I don't know that such a mechanic would be appropriate to low/null. The circumstances are entirely different. This relates entirely to HS Empire.

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Just make it so that outlaws can't activate any gates inside high sec and make concord spawn and pod outlaws.

There is no reason why outlaws can travel through lowsec in pod or in fast aligning ship.

I don't have any problem with suicide ganking when ganker has positive sec status. But being able to do continous ganks without any real penalty is just bad for the game.

I'd like to see the Ganker automatically relocated to the nearest low security system.

Somebody is playing the wrong game.

Yes I do. But how much time and effort does it take to make the ISK to replace a T1 ship by other means then insurance? Not a lot. And for T2 ships you only get a very small part back of the cost anyway so it wouldn't make a lot of difference.

Way to avoid the issue. A tier 3 batleship costs >130mill. The fit costs ~100 mill or so. Remove insurance and ypu effecticely double the cost of PvPing in a battleship. That's a major consequence of removing insurance.

Hey y'all. Easy fixed.

If Concord is called in, an attendance fee is charged to the ganker/s account and the gankee get's the cash.

THAT would make ganking fun, for BOTH parties.

FYI, actual insurance companies refuse to insure those who are constantly claiming - they actually want to make a profit, not a loss.

And we wouldn't want to have a major consequence for anything, would we Malcanis

So It's all fine and dandy when the EVE is unforgiving BS is used as an excuse for destroying noobs and carebears, but as soon as someone suggests applying it to griefers it's suddenly a bad thing?

First rule of EVE, remember. If you can't afford to lose your gank ship then don't be ganking.

Calling EVE unforgiving and then fully reimbursing ship losses is a joke. And a bad one, at that.

Mr Epeen

b) Make insurances (and banking) player driven. Let's see how realistic insurances really are.

This is the best idea in the thread, and a proper solution to suicide ganking.

Really, why should CONCORD work for free? A service provided should cost, and thus the one who makes use of their services should pay some ISK.

Perhaps something like 50m each time CONCORD gets summoned to protect you? Or we might base it off SP.

This is the best idea in the thread, and a proper solution to suicide ganking.

Try reading my original post: "Insurance" for deliberately suicided ships makes no sense, but it's a gameplay necessity caused by an inescapable CONCORD. Make CONCORD evadeable and you can reasonably get rid of insurance for "criminals".

Insurance is insurance and being concorded is being concorded. Two completely and unrelated things.

Why would the ganker pay CONCORD to kill him? CONCORD should charge the guy they protect.

This is what needs to happen. If your sec status is too low for a hisec system, you simply cannot enter that system. You wanna go in, work your secstat back up. It won't stop suicide ganking, but it'll make it where they have a consequence for doing it too often.

Personally, positive secstat should go to 10, I never understood why it only goes to +5.

Read more carefully.

Digging up an old thread because it should NOT BE IGNORED.

Quoting a pubbie that should BE IGNORED.