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Revalyn North Atlantic Holdings 0	Posted - 2012.12.26 11:25:00 - [1] - Quote Do you think we will ever get these? A tec2 Titan that costs a trillion ISK- I'd like to be on that kill? Titans are now very prolific- perhaps it is time to bring back the magic of a really elite capital that costs trillions and can only ever be owned by an Alliance as its upkeep would be huge. I was thinking more in line of a truly mobile station. A dream or a future reality? Quick edit- CCP can we have a proper carrier- how can a capital ship that can only carry 2 battleships be called a carrier- even a supercap can only carry 5-6 battleships.
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 530	Posted - 2012.12.26 11:28:00 - [2] - Quote In 2 years everyone would have one of these. (And alliances are rarely wealthy - they earn a lot and spend a lot; there are probably many more individuals who could afford to buy a 1T ship on short notice than there are alliances who could do the same) I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.
ElQuirko Protus Correction Facility Inc. 937	Posted - 2012.12.26 11:30:00 - [3] - Quote Revalyn wrote: Quick edit- CCP can we have a proper carrier- how can a capital ship that can only carry 2 battleships be called a carrier- even a supercap can only carry 5-6 battleships. Because it carries fighters and drones... You reckon you could fit two battleships on the Ark Royal? Good luck. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Revalyn North Atlantic Holdings 0	Posted - 2012.12.26 11:33:00 - [4] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: Revalyn wrote: Quick edit- CCP can we have a proper carrier- how can a capital ship that can only carry 2 battleships be called a carrier- even a supercap can only carry 5-6 battleships. Because it carries fighters and drones... You reckon you could fit two battleships on the Ark Royal? Good luck. We play Eve as a fantasy game so real life comparisons are a bit lame. When we have to move large numbers of battleships into null the limited capacity of carriers for large ships can be a hindrance.
GreenSeed 111	Posted - 2012.12.26 11:36:00 - [5] - Quote making things expensive hoping that it will limit their existence is a terrible idea, just look at current titans, CCP needs to start thinking "upkeep" instead of "cost".
Dr Frust Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2012.12.26 12:14:00 - [6] - Quote Oh I can immagine the scenario: Scout: "There's another ship comming in!" P1: "It's a goonfighter" Newbro: "He has followed us!" P1: "No it's a short range fighter." P2: "There's no carrier around here, where'd he come from?" FC: "Webb him." P1: "Let him go he's too far out of range." P2: "Not for long." P3: "A fighter couldn't have gotten this deep into space on its own." P1: "Look at him. He's headed for that small moon." P2: "I think I can get him before he gets there. He's almost in range." FC: "That's no moon." P1: "It's too big to be a Titan." P2: "I have a very bad feeling about this." FC: "Turn your ships around warp OUT!" P1: "Yeah, I think your right. Warping out now!" P2: "Why are we still moving towards it?" P1: "We're caught in a tractor beam! It's pulling us in!" Newbro: "But there's gotta be something we can do!" FC: "There's nothin' we can do about it, kid. We're going to have to shut down our burners. But they're not going to get us without a fight." Doomsday
ElQuirko Protus Correction Facility Inc. 937	Posted - 2012.12.26 12:22:00 - [7] - Quote Revalyn wrote: We play Eve as a fantasy game so real life comparisons are a bit lame. When we have to move large numbers of battleships into null the limited capacity of carriers for large ships can be a hindrance. Compare the size of a machariel to a thanatos. It's barely smaller. A carrier is not a jump freighter - if you want risk-free travel, set up a jump bridge network. Alternately, fly in a big enough blob that nobody's going to shoot your 200+ battleships. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Gen Fesslenski Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix 9	Posted - 2012.12.26 12:24:00 - [8] - Quote Revalyn wrote: ElQuirko wrote: Revalyn wrote: Quick edit- CCP can we have a proper carrier- how can a capital ship that can only carry 2 battleships be called a carrier- even a supercap can only carry 5-6 battleships. Because it carries fighters and drones... You reckon you could fit two battleships on the Ark Royal? Good luck. We play Eve as a fantasy game so real life comparisons are a bit lame. When we have to move large numbers of battleships into null the limited capacity of carriers for large ships can be a hindrance. So ask for a capital freighter. You can't have it all. A super-carrier that could carry 10 BS and a fighter wing would be a seriously unbalancing thing unless the prices were made stupid-high. A 10 man gang could effectively have 20 ships, so a fleet of 40 or so with 10 of these ships would have nearly 100 BS at their disposal on grid, a massive RR source and not even really have to protect the thing. If you took away the fighters though, and maybe restricted it to 1-1-1 slot layout, things would get very interesting. Sort of like a T2 Orca without the slots for fleet boosting. If you have that many BS that it takes you an age to move it with Carriers, then you should have enough corp-mates to escort it anyway.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1205	Posted - 2012.12.26 12:30:00 - [9] - Quote Gen Fesslenski wrote: So ask for a capital freighter. You can't have it all. A super-carrier that could carry 10 BS and a fighter wing would be a seriously unbalancing thing unless the prices were made stupid-high. A 10 man gang could effectively have 20 ships, so a fleet of 40 or so with 10 of these ships would have nearly 100 BS at their disposal on grid, a massive RR source and not even really have to protect the thing. You realise they're talking about carrying ships in the SMA, not launching battleships and controlling them like drones, right? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1205	Posted - 2012.12.26 12:32:00 - [10] - Quote Gen Fesslenski wrote: So ask for a capital freighter. You can't have it all. A super-carrier that could carry 10 BS and a fighter wing would be a seriously unbalancing thing unless the prices were made stupid-high. A 10 man gang could effectively have 20 ships, so a fleet of 40 or so with 10 of these ships would have nearly 100 BS at their disposal on grid, a massive RR source and not even really have to protect the thing. You realise they're talking about carrying ships in the SMA, not launching battleships and controlling them like drones, right? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.

Sentient Blade Walk It Off 594	Posted - 2012.12.26 12:35:00 - [11] - Quote A super-carrier that was just that, a carrier for other ships, would be rather nice. Add a clone vat bay to it too and you've got yourself a nice little tool that smaller alliances could operate.
Luke Visteen Apostasy Prime 139	Posted - 2012.12.26 12:50:00 - [12] - Quote maybe if there was a global limit on how many Tech 2 caps can be active in space within a fixed period of time (like max 2 per month) in the whole of EVE universe ?? that could be justified by some strange RP reasons (t2 caps causing disturbances in the force, etc lol) ? I don't always do. But when I do - I do.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5633	Posted - 2012.12.26 12:58:00 - [13] - Quote Revalyn wrote: Do you think we will ever get these? A tec2 Titan that costs a trillion ISK- I'd like to be on that kill? Titans are now very prolific- perhaps it is time to bring back the magic of a really elite capital that costs trillions and can only ever be owned by an Alliance as its upkeep would be huge. I was thinking more in line of a truly mobile station. A dream or a future reality? Quick edit- CCP can we have a proper carrier- how can a capital ship that can only carry 2 battleships be called a carrier- even a supercap can only carry 5-6 battleships. Please god no Supercaps are still toxic enough as it is without dreaming up ones with T2 resists and extra role bonuses. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5633	Posted - 2012.12.26 12:58:00 - [14] - Quote Luke Visteen wrote: maybe if there was a global limit on how many Tech 2 caps can be active in space within a fixed period of time (like max 2 per month) in the whole of EVE universe ?? that could be justified by some strange RP reasons (t2 caps causing disturbances in the force, etc lol) ? Then one alliance builds 2 and no one ever gets to fly any MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1903	Posted - 2012.12.26 13:01:00 - [15] - Quote Future reality Hobo pro-rifter pilots gonna be hatin Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1537	Posted - 2012.12.26 13:01:00 - [16] - Quote Gen Fesslenski wrote: So ask for a capital freighter. These already exist. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10813	Posted - 2012.12.26 13:04:00 - [17] - Quote Revalyn wrote: A tec2 Titan that costs a trillion ISK- I'd like to be on that kill? Titans are now very prolific- perhaps it is time to bring back the magic of a really elite capital that costs trillions and can only ever be owned by an Alliance as its upkeep would be huge. I was thinking more in line of a truly mobile station. Yes, let's use the same strategy that failed in every way to limit supercap proliferation and apply it to something even worse. Or better yet, let's not. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5633	Posted - 2012.12.26 13:21:00 - [18] - Quote Tippia wrote: let's not. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
SegaPhoenix BREAKING-POINT Primal Force 62	Posted - 2012.12.26 14:19:00 - [19] - Quote I would actually support the removal of supercaps. Dreads fill the role for DPS perfectly and carriers for logistics and support.
Pitorro0 Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.12.26 14:27:00 - [20] - Quote Yes please more content for the 1%

Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1540	Posted - 2012.12.26 14:33:00 - [21] - Quote SegaPhoenix wrote: I would actually support the removal of supercaps. Dreads fill the role for DPS perfectly and carriers for logistics and support. Then people would just start complaining about capital proliferation. It wouldn't solve anything. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's.
AstraPardus Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans 53	Posted - 2012.12.26 14:38:00 - [22] - Quote Bigger more awesome spaceships? Yes, please. Maybe not in the way that you are saying, OP, but I do love spaceships...I don't know if I ever mentioned that, but... ...I love spaceships. :3 Every time I post is Pardy time! :3
AstraPardus Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans 53	Posted - 2012.12.26 14:39:00 - [23] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: SegaPhoenix wrote: I would actually support the removal of supercaps. Dreads fill the role for DPS perfectly and carriers for logistics and support. Then people would just start complaining about capital proliferation. It wouldn't solve anything. Don't they alre~! Ooooohhh....I see what you did there. :P Every time I post is Pardy time! :3
Felicity Love War-Tech Inc. Black Core Alliance 68	Posted - 2012.12.26 14:51:00 - [24] - Quote I'd still like to see an outpost that is a spherical "DeathStar" (TM) that folks will constantly mistake for a small moon... But mostly, I'd like to see people just have to bring capital fleets to blow up an existing moon so they can float out their "DeathStar" and anchor it where the old, original moon used to be. What the Hell. It's EVE... go big, or GTFO/HTFU.
Pohbis 135	Posted - 2012.12.26 15:00:00 - [25] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: SegaPhoenix wrote: I would actually support the removal of supercaps. Dreads fill the role for DPS perfectly and carriers for logistics and support. Then people would just start complaining about capital proliferation. It wouldn't solve anything. Besides putting cap fights back on the menu for regular 0.0 players, you know, those without billions and billions of ISK and supercap babysitter alts. Also, siege cycles
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10821	Posted - 2012.12.26 15:00:00 - [26] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Then people would just start complaining about capital proliferation. It wouldn't solve anything. No, because normal caps have a number of weaknesses that make them reasonable and easy to balance in comparison. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Vertisce Soritenshi Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 2003	Posted - 2012.12.26 15:06:00 - [27] - Quote Revalyn wrote: Do you think we will ever get these? A tec2 Titan that costs a trillion ISK- I'd like to be on that kill? Titans are now very prolific- perhaps it is time to bring back the magic of a really elite capital that costs trillions and can only ever be owned by an Alliance as its upkeep would be huge. I was thinking more in line of a truly mobile station. A dream or a future reality? Quick edit- CCP can we have a proper carrier- how can a capital ship that can only carry 2 battleships be called a carrier- even a supercap can only carry 5-6 battleships. I am just going to touch on your edit part. I can't think of a single carrier on this planet that can contain a battleship. Just saying...fighters are another issue. Personally I think a carrier should be able to field a hell of a lot more than 10-15 fighters/bombers. I think the only real solution to this is to make fighters look like squadrons of fighters instead of just a single fighter. With that, I think if a fighter group had say 5 fighters in it and the group took damage, then one fighter would be destroyed and the only way to fix that would be to recall the group and add another fighter to the group from another. Kind of like reloading a mag in an FPS game. Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2129	Posted - 2012.12.26 17:27:00 - [28] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Personally I think a carrier should be able to field a hell of a lot more than 10-15 fighters/bombers. I think the only real solution to this is to make fighters look like squadrons of fighters instead of just a single fighter. With that, I think if a fighter group had say 5 fighters in it and the group took damage, then one fighter would be destroyed and the only way to fix that would be to recall the group and add another fighter to the group from another. Kind of like reloading a mag in an FPS game. Yes, fighter is what 16 million? Making them into expensive ammo, like drones, sounds very appropriate. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Vertisce Soritenshi Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 2008	Posted - 2012.12.26 17:36:00 - [29] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Personally I think a carrier should be able to field a hell of a lot more than 10-15 fighters/bombers. I think the only real solution to this is to make fighters look like squadrons of fighters instead of just a single fighter. With that, I think if a fighter group had say 5 fighters in it and the group took damage, then one fighter would be destroyed and the only way to fix that would be to recall the group and add another fighter to the group from another. Kind of like reloading a mag in an FPS game. Yes, fighter is what 16 million? Making them into expensive ammo, like drones, sounds very appropriate. I didn't say that. You read way too far into things. Ammo depletes as you use it. The fighters would just become one less fighter in a wing as they get destroyed and corresponding with that would have equally less damage output in the wing until it is brought back into the ship and merged with another wing. Pretty simple and straight forward concept. Not going to bother explaining it to you any further if you can't figure it out. Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2129	Posted - 2012.12.26 17:39:00 - [30] - Quote Tippia wrote: Revalyn wrote: A tec2 Titan that costs a trillion ISK- I'd like to be on that kill? Titans are now very prolific- perhaps it is time to bring back the magic of a really elite capital that costs trillions and can only ever be owned by an Alliance as its upkeep would be huge. I was thinking more in line of a truly mobile station. Yes, let's use the same strategy that failed in every way to limit supercap proliferation and apply it to something even worse. Or better yet, let's not. Can't wait to see the t2 titan blobs. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm



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