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CausticS0da
Viziam
Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2012.12.26 21:59:00 -
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While I've come to the conclusion that complaints surrounding the new AI and its effect in missions hasbeen overstated, I'm a bit concerned about its effect on .0 solo exploration. Traditionally, the go-to boat has been the Ishtar but is this still possible? At least in missions there are a variety of ships that can be used.
I've been looking at alternatives but can't find anything armor tanked with enough mids (analyser/codebreaker) and free highs (cloak and probe launcher) for the job. I'm not keen on using a t3 tbh.
Can anyone with experience comment? Ideally it will be for serpents space but other suggestions are welcome. Thanks. |
Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
14
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Posted - 2012.12.26 22:43:00 -
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I thought that sovereignty mechanics and coawintions killed all solo null sec game content. |
Akuma Tsukai
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2012.12.26 23:57:00 -
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Long story short: youre ******.
Even low grade exploration is nearly impossible to do now in a nonmissile ship vs sansha/blood/serps, i actually offered 50b reward in my corp for doing 4/10 sansha in a turret boat, so far its still unclaimed (for reference: 20+ cruisers, 7+ TD, and an overseer to break through your tank). And i cant imagine how to do 10/10 vs them now.
If you can i advise switching to mintard space, angels are easily doable still. |
CausticS0da
Viziam
Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2012.12.27 07:57:00 -
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Akuma Tsukai wrote:Long story short: youre ******.
Even low grade exploration is nearly impossible to do now in a nonmissile ship vs sansha/blood/serps, i actually offered 50b reward in my corp for doing 4/10 sansha in a turret boat, so far its still unclaimed (for reference: 20+ cruisers, 7+ TD, and an overseer to break through your tank). And i cant imagine how to do 10/10 vs them now.
If you can i advise switching to mintard space, angels are easily doable still.
Not the reply I was hoping for but thanks anyway. |
Eight Two
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.12.27 10:23:00 -
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Akuma Tsukai wrote:Long story short: youre ******.
Even low grade exploration is nearly impossible to do now in a nonmissile ship vs sansha/blood/serps, i actually offered 50b reward in my corp for doing 4/10 sansha in a turret boat, so far its still unclaimed (for reference: 20+ cruisers, 7+ TD, and an overseer to break through your tank). And i cant imagine how to do 10/10 vs them now.
If you can i advise switching to mintard space, angels are easily doable still.
Obvious overreaction is obvious.
Running 4/10s in an Arbitrator/Vexor works just fine, the only problem I ever experienced was in the Blood 4/10 in loosing the terrifying amount of one Hammer II when blitzing the site.
That said, the Sansha 4/10 indeed is a pain in the ass with the TD but managable in a turret battlecruiser that can actually tank the damage or a drone cruiser. It's not like the Sansha's tracking/damage projection and speed is particularly great, it just takes a while to complete the site.
Also, please name a non-T3 turret based ship that was excellent or as good as drone/missile boats for Sansha and to a lesser extent Serpentis exploration before the patch.
Missiles and Drones have been the go-to ships for a fairly long time in exploration, that's not new. It's not like people were tearing through the 4/10 sites in Thoraxes and Stabbers before the patch to begin with.
One thing I have to note though is that the performance gap between cruisers/battlecruisers and T3s has gotten larger with the latest changes as people on the lower end of technology are forced to specialize even more.
Being forced into certain ships by game design is not really a good thing and should be adressed, however saying that low grade exploration is flat out impossible isn't right either.
That said, do I have to be part of your corp to get hands on that 50 bil bounty for doing the Sansha 4/10 in a non missile boat? |
Gal'o Sengen
State War Academy
Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.12.27 15:02:00 -
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This is only tangentially related, so excuse me for that. But anyway.
The biggest problem in my mind with Exploration is that it's currently extremely expensive to do it alone. Exploration is in my mind, something that you should be able to do alone when your corp is fairly inactive and you want to make some dosh. Engaging, challenging, profitable, and enjoyable.
Instead, you're basically forced to either use extremely expensive ships or Dual Box. The amount of fitting slots required to actually do all the sties is silly, and for the most part it completely eliminates Turret ships as a choice anyway since very few short of T3's have enough Utility slots to actually fit a rack of Guns after the Probe Launcher, Cloak, and Salvager.
The Probe launcher itself is a problem on smaller ships, since it sucks up fitting, to say nothing of an Expanded Probe Launcher which basically requires an alt if you want to take less than 20 minutes to go 5 jumps.
Bake the Core Probe Launcher into all ships, modified exactly the same by your skill level as it is now, combine the Codebreaker and Analyzer into one module (Or create a new module with the functionality of both with a high skill requirement, if that's too much), and suddenly Exploration becomes something less painful.
Two Utility highs and a mid is far more reasonable than three highs, two mids and a whole lot of CPU. (I still eagerly await the day a Stabber Fleet has a Utility High though, seems like it'd be so good for solo exploration). |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc.
Stealth Wear Inc.
75
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Posted - 2012.12.27 16:06:00 -
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Expensive? what? Not everyone needs to fly pimpend tech 3 ships to explore.
Instead of wanting to do all, you should rather find your niche and find out what works for you. For instance you can take one of the t1 scanning frigates, slap on a probe launcher, codebreaker and some drones and run off to find radar sites in highsec. After one site you will probably have earned back what you paid for that tiny ship ... and if you are a new player you can make some good isk for very little required skillpoints.
Then if you get annoyed by the farming hordes in highsec, you might just as well take your favourite t1 cruiser with cloak and mwd and find a nice lowsec area to explore in. You won't be doing all, but again sticking to radars and maybe the occasional easier combat site can make some good isk for the price of a t1 cruiser.
And so on. Work your way up and find out what is okay and what not ... people seem to want if all spelled out for them, rather than just going out there and maybe taking a challenge.
Now for nullsec solo stuff, there might be some merit to OPs question. Personally i haven't been exploring in null for a while and when i did it was in some very quiet area that i would often be alone for most jumps. I do however still fly my ishtar in my lowsec activities - and i must say i generally do not have much problems since the new rats behaviour (apart from not using my paper tiger tornado anymore, which is a different matter but okay). I generally only use light drones or sentries. Yes frigate size npcs have developed a liking for my light drones, but i either just snipe them when they are still in comfortable sentry range, or i watch my drones and recall the one when it gets attacked (after a while the frigs seem to lose interest anyway, i think) ... sometimes i am too slow and lose one or two, but the ishtars drone bay is large and i have enough spares. Sentries are generally not a problem for me, they very rarely get attacked if i have aggro on my ship.
Again i would probably just advise to take yer ishtar and find out how it is now. |
Eight Two
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:10:00 -
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What Gloob said basically.
It's expensive only if you let it be, you can fit a Vexor or an Arbitrator to do lowsec radars and mags and go for the occasional 4/10 when your region is on low activity and make a lot of money for little risk once you got a basic understanding of the mechanics and how to stay safe.
Thats a lot of money to be made for a ship that fully fitted should never exceed 25-30 mil, which honestly is peanuts.
The only thing I see the new AI doing is forcing people to specialize more when flying anything sub-T3 which, with hopefully a proper T3 rebalance somewhere down the line, will be a good thing.
Once the mentality of doing everything in one ship (which you still can do, don't get me wrong) is gone people will appreciate the new AI more.
Back OT, I see the new AI becoming a problem with the current state of a few of the high-end sites due to the insane number of rats but I can also see that being adjusted in due time.
That leaves the guys multiboxing DED 10/10s to cry and honestly since that's usually also the guys advocating that it's not a solo game when it comes to other aspects of Eve I can't really feel sorry. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
461
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:58:00 -
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Akuma Tsukai wrote:Long story short: youre ******.
Even low grade exploration is nearly impossible to do now in a nonmissile ship vs sansha/blood/serps, i actually offered 50b reward in my corp for doing 4/10 sansha in a turret boat, so far its still unclaimed (for reference: 20+ cruisers, 7+ TD, and an overseer to break through your tank). And i cant imagine how to do 10/10 vs them now.
If you can i advise switching to mintard space, angels are easily doable still.
50b? No offense, but your corp is lacking skilled/greedy ppl.
Should I join your corp for that 50b? Surely a proteus should handle it, just not in a speedy manner...
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:48:00 -
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Eight Two wrote:That said, the Sansha 4/10 indeed is a pain in the ass with the TD but managable in a turret battlecruiser that can actually tank the damage or a drone cruiser. It's not like the Sansha's tracking/damage projection and speed is particularly great, it just takes a while to complete the site.
If the 4/10 takes a while, try doing that 5/10 in a drone boat, the sites was never designed for the new ai/ewar.
More ewar and rats killing drones, brave new world...
GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:58:00 -
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Eight Two wrote:Once the mentality of doing everything in one ship (which you still can do, don't get me wrong) is gone people will appreciate the new AI more.
Please tell me what's so great about the "new" ai, that rats switch target and kill drones, THAT IS IT.
GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Paskis Robinson
Dropbear Preservation Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:47:00 -
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Nulsec explorers at minimum dual box. Frequently triple box. Currently I'm slugging my way through a DED 7/10 and yes, the AI is annoying the hell out of me. The instant I launch drones, 20 destroyers target them. It's not AI it's an on/off switch for drone death. And the blasted things are staying outside smartbomb range. Am I going to have to cruise-missile 20 destroyers to death? Looks like it. Great way to spend time.
I can't disable the new "Improved" (the scrolling is more visually distracting) damage messages. Hell they even changed the way scanning UI works as far as changing the focal point for the camera zooms. All in all this patch has WAY too many changes for the sake of changes, I feel like I'm re-learning a bunch of things I already knew, and it's not making me happy at all. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
327
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:03:00 -
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Akuma Tsukai wrote:Long story short: youre ******.
Even low grade exploration is nearly impossible to do now in a nonmissile ship vs sansha/blood/serps, i actually offered 50b reward in my corp for doing 4/10 sansha in a turret boat, so far its still unclaimed (for reference: 20+ cruisers, 7+ TD, and an overseer to break through your tank). And i cant imagine how to do 10/10 vs them now.
If you can i advise switching to mintard space, angels are easily doable still.
Open the offer to anyone as long as they have a video. I have been farming all kinds of plexes just fine. I could run a 4/10 with a proteus no problem.
It's funny because nobody has the issues with the same AI in wspace and are dirty rich as a result. |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
460
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:12:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Akuma Tsukai wrote:Long story short: youre ******.
Even low grade exploration is nearly impossible to do now in a nonmissile ship vs sansha/blood/serps, i actually offered 50b reward in my corp for doing 4/10 sansha in a turret boat, so far its still unclaimed (for reference: 20+ cruisers, 7+ TD, and an overseer to break through your tank). And i cant imagine how to do 10/10 vs them now.
If you can i advise switching to mintard space, angels are easily doable still. Open the offer to anyone as long as they have a video. I have been farming all kinds of plexes just fine. I could run a 4/10 with a proteus no problem. It's funny because nobody has the issues with the same AI in wspace and are dirty rich as a result.
The AI is harder in W-space. CCP themselves described the new AI as dumbed down sleeper AI. People wont adapt, so they die. |
Opertone
Aurora Empire
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
235
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:44:00 -
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HTFU, refit and
Ishtar up...
Wait passive Rattlesnake can work too.
SENTRIES are the way to go |
Annunaki soldier
Segmentum Solar
Nulli Legio
45
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Posted - 2012.12.27 23:17:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Messoroz wrote:Akuma Tsukai wrote:Long story short: youre ******.
Even low grade exploration is nearly impossible to do now in a nonmissile ship vs sansha/blood/serps, i actually offered 50b reward in my corp for doing 4/10 sansha in a turret boat, so far its still unclaimed (for reference: 20+ cruisers, 7+ TD, and an overseer to break through your tank). And i cant imagine how to do 10/10 vs them now.
If you can i advise switching to mintard space, angels are easily doable still. Open the offer to anyone as long as they have a video. I have been farming all kinds of plexes just fine. I could run a 4/10 with a proteus no problem. It's funny because nobody has the issues with the same AI in wspace and are dirty rich as a result. The AI is harder in W-space. CCP themselves described the new AI as dumbed down sleeper AI. People wont adapt, so they die.
having lived at all it is not the same. Hell there are level 4 high sec missions that the dps (until fixed ofc) is more that the c3 sleeper ai only because you get full pocket agro . Some things for sure need to be made to work with that ai , dont forget that . Sleeper sites designed from the scratch , rest content isnt
Ride hard, live with passion-á |
Sgt LoveDragon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.12.27 23:57:00 -
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Paskis Robinson wrote:Nulsec explorers at minimum dual box. Frequently triple box. Currently I'm slugging my way through a DED 7/10 and yes, the AI is annoying the hell out of me. The instant I launch drones, 20 destroyers target them. It's not AI it's an on/off switch for drone death. And the blasted things are staying outside smartbomb range. Am I going to have to cruise-missile 20 destroyers to death? Looks like it. Great way to spend time.....
I cruise missile'd 3 web scram frigs yesterday. I wont lie it was the most exciting 8-10minutes of my life.
Pre ret id have been warping back to the station to turn in at about the 10min mark. |
Akuma Tsukai
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2012.12.27 23:57:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Akuma Tsukai wrote:Long story short: youre ******.
Even low grade exploration is nearly impossible to do now in a nonmissile ship vs sansha/blood/serps, i actually offered 50b reward in my corp for doing 4/10 sansha in a turret boat, so far its still unclaimed (for reference: 20+ cruisers, 7+ TD, and an overseer to break through your tank). And i cant imagine how to do 10/10 vs them now.
If you can i advise switching to mintard space, angels are easily doable still. 50b? No offense, but your corp is lacking skilled/greedy ppl. Should I join your corp for that 50b? Surely a proteus should handle it, just not in a speedy manner...
Actually other way around. Why would some1 bother wasting 30 minutes when a simple drake does it in 10?
Thats actually the only complain of mine, i couldnt care less for AI change but it ****** up all ship balance in PVE. Guristas - go missiles and spit on ECM. Serp - go missiles and spit on SD. Sansha/blood - go missiles and spit on TD (well, sentries work too). And all that simply cause we no longer can deploy drones to get rid of ewar targets. And by the way it was no coincidence that ewar target always were the 1st in frone aggro list. CCP basically shot themselves in a leg, a marvelous feat, ill admit that 
And one more thing. This patch basically introduces a wide spread aggro mechanics to the game instead of the usual triggers (sleepers aside). Now might i ask where are my aggro control tools? Sleeper sites were designed for such behaviour so we didnt needed one then, now we need.
P.S. And still nothing beats amarr ships solowing WH for a profit :) Can live there for months without POS, till you cargo hold bursts |
CausticS0da
Viziam
Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2012.12.28 00:01:00 -
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Opertone wrote:HTFU, refit and
Ishtar up...
Wait passive Rattlesnake can work too.
SENTRIES are the way to go
Um, that was actually what the post was about. Is it still possible to do the same level of plex with an Ishtar, and if not, what is an alternative? |
Fish Hunter
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
Renaissance Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.12.28 00:57:00 -
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I've done two 4/10s with a sentry ishtar, didn't lose a drone but I use lights as little as possible. haven't done anything over a 4/10 yet.
I immagine the largest problem with the higher sites now is everyone has to tank, not just 1 ship.
I don't know if this still holds true because i haven't done a wh site in over a year, but my buddies and I used to run c2 and c3 sites all the time and as long as we had 4 or more players drones almost never got targetted. Curious if this holds true with the new AI as well. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
408
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:27:00 -
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CausticS0da wrote:Opertone wrote:HTFU, refit and
Ishtar up...
Wait passive Rattlesnake can work too.
SENTRIES are the way to go Um, that was actually what the post was about. Is it still possible to do the same level of plex with an Ishtar, and if not, what is an alternative?
Go for something that uses missiles, they seems the least effected by ewar. Drones are not easy to use, and often it's faster to kill anything below battleships with light drones. I'm guessing that anything you used to solo in the ishtar, you can still solo flying a tengu. The sites you could "solo" with dual/triple boxing are probably a death trap now, most logi or kitchen sink ships are going to have hard time surviving the target switch.
Personally i would avoid drone boats, light drones are the only type of drones you can use freely. Only elite ships will target light drones, anything else will eat medium and up. I tried a 5/10 solo the other day, and as soon as i launched the medium drones 5-8 cruisers would target them. I tried the target painter trick and it did not work, so i ended up killing all cruisers and battlecruiser with light drones. Having to kill the cruisers using light drones would not be that bad flying a myrmidon, but being target disrupted constantly by battleships makes it slow work. You could try a drone boat with sentry drones, personally i have a hard time seeing how it would out perform a missile boat.
GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Eight Two
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.12.28 11:40:00 -
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dexington wrote:Eight Two wrote:Once the mentality of doing everything in one ship (which you still can do, don't get me wrong) is gone people will appreciate the new AI more. Please tell me what's so great about the "new" ai, that rats switch target and kill drones, THAT IS IT.
Of course that is it, but at least it's a step in the right direction honestly. The mindless AI has always been one of the major weak spots of Eve in my opinion, at least you get to interact with it a little more now when using drones.
There's a lot of work to be done still (also including redesigning sites) but anything that makes PvE content less dull and repetitive is a good thing.
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ZX 185
Dirty Rats
11
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Posted - 2012.12.28 12:33:00 -
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I was doing mag sites in stain yesterday and my standard probe/cloaky tengu which does 245 dps
Was'nt enough to break the tanks of ellite cruisers I had to bring in an alt...
(This setup had no problems before) |
Gal'o Sengen
State War Academy
Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:37:00 -
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Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:Expensive? what? Not everyone needs to fly pimpend tech 3 ships to explore.
Instead of wanting to do all, you should rather find your niche and find out what works for you. For instance you can take one of the t1 scanning frigates, slap on a probe launcher, codebreaker and some drones and run off to find radar sites in highsec. After one site you will probably have earned back what you paid for that tiny ship ... and if you are a new player you can make some good isk for very little required skillpoints.
Then if you get annoyed by the farming hordes in highsec, you might just as well take your favourite t1 cruiser with cloak and mwd and find a nice lowsec area to explore in. You won't be doing all, but again sticking to radars and maybe the occasional easier combat site can make some good isk for the price of a t1 cruiser.
No... See, that's half the problem. The only T1 Cruisers that can fit a Cloak and Probe launcher without giving up Guns as far as i know are the Vexor and Arbitrator. Drone Boats. In the hands of a new player they're absolutely awful, especially now that Drones get targeted. |
Larloch TheAncient
Alpha Arms and Manufacturing
What Alliance
27
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:44:00 -
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Confirming that Solo exploration is not impossible (although the combat sites are very difficult).
I run them all the time with an alt (scanning/utility(codebreakers/etc), previously I ran them just fine in a maelstrom, and with my earning I just invested in a Loki that "should" be able to handle the toughest Combat sites that the sansha can throw at me.
When I run a few of them I'll post more, but I can confirm 100% that everything bar combat sites aren't even all that challenging. |
Paskis Robinson
Dropbear Preservation Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.12.28 23:31:00 -
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Larloch TheAncient wrote:Confirming that Solo exploration is not impossible (although the combat sites are very difficult).
I run them all the time with an alt (scanning/utility(codebreakers/etc), previously I ran them just fine in a maelstrom, and with my earning I just invested in a Loki that "should" be able to handle the toughest Combat sites that the sansha can throw at me.
When I run a few of them I'll post more, but I can confirm 100% that everything bar combat sites aren't even all that challenging.
I've been working out some new methods (lost some stuff along the way!) and I agree, everything can still be done, but it's tougher - an in some cases there's just no suitable counter for the NPC AI other than slow uninteresting grinding. It should have made PvE more interesting, but I'm afraid as the sites were all designed with the old AI in mind and haven't been rebalanced, the new AI has made PvE just more frustrating.
Still can you imaging doing that "Buzz Kill" level 4 mission these days.. now THAT would SUCK!!
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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
419
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Posted - 2012.12.29 00:03:00 -
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Larloch TheAncient wrote:I run them all the time with an alt (scanning/utility(codebreakers/etc), previously I ran them just fine in a maelstrom, and with my earning I just invested in a Loki that "should" be able to handle the toughest Combat sites that the sansha can throw at me.
Even if the Loki can reach extreme levels of mission specific resist, it's still not immune to tracking disruptors.
GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Paskis Robinson
Dropbear Preservation Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.12.29 06:24:00 -
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I just ran the Chain Mindflood LADAR site in 0.0. The new AI was brilliant for this site. My drones were safe, but everything else was changing targets; neutralizers, even battleship NPCs were switching between my rattlesnake and logi. I was having to balance tank, cap, DPS, the works - I was kept really busy, but it was achievable. Far more interesting than it used to be without being just a pain in the drone bay.
I don't know if there's any reason the AI was easy on my drones this time, but if the new AI behaved this way all the time, it would be brilliant. Is CCP reading any of these threads? |
Larloch TheAncient
Alpha Arms and Manufacturing
What Alliance
27
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Posted - 2012.12.29 07:31:00 -
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dexington wrote:Larloch TheAncient wrote:I run them all the time with an alt (scanning/utility(codebreakers/etc), previously I ran them just fine in a maelstrom, and with my earning I just invested in a Loki that "should" be able to handle the toughest Combat sites that the sansha can throw at me. Even if the Loki can reach extreme levels of mission specific resist, it's still not immune to tracking disruptors.
I acutally only encountered a few TD'ing frigates and my drones were more than capable of handling them (deaspace small remote rep kept my drones alive with little trouble)
furthermore the 900m/s AB was fast enough to dictate range to the point where the TD's weren't that bad against the battleships.
I will say though my normal range (17km by 43 km falloff) was reduced to 1.2km / 6 km falloff by 3 TD's)
TD's mixed with web's/scrams are still scary however, I likely would have died if my tank wasn't completely cap stable.
The New AI is pretty scary, but people throwing out words like "impossible" isn't warranted since CCP tweaked the TD percentages.
However I will say this, The TD graphics are still off, the 3 frigates who TD'ed me in one room kept TD'ing me permanetly. Regardless if the mechanics showed on the overview or not.
Thats something that should be fixed. |
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