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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: Derisor on 03/06/2005 12:46:44
Edited to remove names.
First, turn off autolocking. Hit esc an go to your settings and look for the settings that says auto relock targets and put a 0 in there. I lost a ship to this during a war. They undocked the target ship (a legit war target) and had one of their pirate friends (not in corp war) lock me at the same time. As I was activating my modules the legit target redocked, and the computer automatically switched me to the non-legit target. I fired on a non war target and CONCORD griefed me.
Why am I telling this "secret" of pvp? Because its not a legit tactic. Its complete utter cheese perpetrated only by total cowards and immature 12 year olds. I would never want to get a kill like that. I will earn them.
Same goes for sentries in low sec space; jerks will lock you up in the hopes that you auto lock them back and fire on them. Then the sentries will waste you. They will also do this in 0.5 empire while you are chaining spawns in a belt.
Dont be fooled by pseudo 0.0 space like egbinger. That is still empire and you will still be screwed. Just sit there letting them lock you in case they make a mistake. (but if they bring in a sniping BS out of sentry gun range then get out of there).
TURN IT OFF NOW!
Dont wait. Someone can dec you and grief a BS or something valuable. I learned this lesson the hard way and it cost me a vexxor. Dont make the same mistake.
Edited for clarity. To all the flamers ... and people with huge egos, grow up.
 Originally by: NoNameNewbie
3. ESC --> General --> Auto Relock >> 0 << Targets !
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Murod
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:53:00 -
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Cloned Mark
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:54:00 -
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Its your own dumb fault if you fire on them.
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Rover Vitesse
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:56:00 -
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The alternative is to not fly around with your modules actvated ready to fire. I like the autolock back, because in the heat of battle, you may not have time to manually target everything.
Its like carrying a pistol in your pocket wth the safety catch off.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
First, turn off autolocking. Hit esc an go to your settings and look for the settings that says auto relock targets and put a 0 in there. I lost a ship because some dweebs we were in a war with (M. Corp) pulled a stupid stunt. They undocked the target ship and had one of their pirate friends lock me at the same time. When my modules were activating the legit target redocked, I fired on a non war target and CONCORD griefed me.
Why am I telling this "secret" of pvp? Because its not a legit tactic. Its complete utter cheese perpetrated only by total cowards and immature 12 year olds. I would never want to get a kill like that. I will earn them.
Same goes for sentries in low sec. M. Corp and other pirate dweebs will lock you up in the hopes that you auto lock them back and fire on them. Then the sentries will waste you.
Dont be fooled by pseudo 0.0 space like egbinger. That is still empire and you will still be screwed. Just sit there letting them lock you in case they make a mistake. (but if they bring in a sniping BS out of sentry gun range then get out of there).
TURN IT OFF NOW!
Dont wait. Someone can dec you and grief a BS or something valuable. I learned this lesson the hard way and it cost me a vexxor. Dont make the same mistake.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Mistake was yours - you were dumb and you died.
Darwin was right.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: SinBin on 03/06/2005 09:59:11
Yea allways turn this to 0 in empire not so bad in 0.0 & good when the stabber move on ya as every secound counts.
Never Fly weapons hot in empire that also is player fault.
CCP's end, stop the locked targets from cycling that is what accully make the auto lock dangours or give us an option to turn it off, thats something the player aint to blame for & cost live even wile in missions tanking mates.
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Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Mistake was yours - you were dumb and you died.
I know someone lost a raven to this also, a Avon ?
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Cmdr Patrick
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:59:00 -
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No rover it is uber evil
If a mate in a fleet battle is trying to boost you and you auto target him back then what?? you obliterate him?
Also in empire wars same applies...only concorde pwn yer arse.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:04:00 -
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Target switching when a new lock is acquired is wrong. I hope that isn't happening 
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:06:00 -
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I think its pretty funny myself.
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:12:00 -
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Everytime something does not go your way or you ****up you always whine on the forums, go away ffs
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Typherin laidai on 03/06/2005 10:12:48
Lol this is quite humourous
notch up kill number 1,832,101 for Concord 
Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5
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Weco
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
CONCORD griefed me.
Ebil scammers they are, try petition them for grief tactics. 
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:21:00 -
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Some of you really need a life if your hobby is to ridicule everyone for makign a mistake. I know some of you think you are perfect and have never made any mistake but you are, im afraid, wrong.
I never demanded reimbursement and there is no way I could have known what happened. That you knew what would happen was because you have experience. This post was not for you, so go sulk in a corner if you can find one big enough to fit your massive ego and your huge block of cheese.
This post was so that other people can learn from this mistake. I know I spoiled all your cheeseball cowardice tactics but that is just too bad.
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Sonorra Baki
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:21:00 -
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I like concord now
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Viqer Fell
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Viqer Fell on 03/06/2005 10:29:35
So you fired on a guy who locked you.
That's what your thread boils down to. You didn't check who you had locked and in the heat of the fight you fired on the one ship you had locked.
Easily done and tbh I guess a lot of pvp'ers have done it when they've had a beer or three, I know I have and not long back either. Thank you very much Mr Jack Daniels. 
Problem is you've added 2 + 2 and got 146. I wouldn't start throwing around accusations about M Corp nor indeed about conspiracies about this being some secret pvp tactic. Just accept you made a mistake and soldier on.
A lot of what you said smacks of inexperience on your behalf which is not a criticism just my own view of the way you have said things. Perhaps you should take a deep breath before posting next time.
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NoNameNewbie
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:30:00 -
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1. o.0
2. :D :D :D :D
3. ESC --> General --> Auto Relock >> 0 << Targets !
= Problem solved
Dont understand it ? start at point 1 again !
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:31:00 -
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Those MC sigs are superb!
ex P-TMC
If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
Why am I telling this "secret" of pvp? Because its not a legit tactic. Its complete utter cheese perpetrated only by total cowards and immature 12 year olds. I would never want to get a kill like that. I will earn them.
Having auto-lock on or off is your decision, and one that carries risk vs reward - the reward of having it on is potential faster reaction to a hostile...the risk is that you can lock a target you don't want to fire on.
In empire space, it is your responsibility to check your fire, no-one elses. But in this case there is a mechanism that doesn't make that as easy as it should be.
Originally by: SinBin
CCP's end, stop the locked targets from cycling that is what accully make the auto lock dangours or give us an option to turn it off, thats something the player aint to blame for & cost live even wile in missions tanking mates.
Originally by: Discorporation
Target switching when a new lock is acquired is wrong. I hope that isn't happening
As far as I know, that isn't happening, but it isn't what (I think) he meant. What I think he's referring to is what happens when you lose a lock (whether due to target destroyed/leaving/etc). If you have multiple targets locked, and the one you have selected disappears, then it automatically selects a new target from your list of locked targets. To get a quick demonstration of this, take your favourite long-range turret battleship, find a spawn of low-end frig rats, lock them all, then engage at range, activating the guns slow enough for deaths to register.
What you'll see happen is the first few turrets nuke the first target, and your active target automatically switches, so that the rest of the guns fire at a new target, without you having selected it. This is great for killing frig spawns, as you just set them all locking, then pound your guns until they're all dead.
Now imagine you have a friendly targetted for remote boosting too. When you blow up the frig, that friendly becomes the active target and gets a bellyfull of friendly fire. It's a contributing factor to the auto-lock problem too - if a neutral triggers your auto-lock, and your legit target disappears in the middle of you activating weapons, the weapons activate on the neutral instead. Having a lock on a neutral isn't the problem, it's the way you can fire on it without explicitly selecting that target that's the problem.
Like the auto-lock, the auto-select should be an option you can choose, not something imposed on you.
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jeNK
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:46:00 -
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I've not experienced this problem myself, have had auto-lock "0" ever since someone's alt called "Gurista Arrogator" locked me and I got concordokkened!!11one for shooting him in my first week of eve.
Anyway.. what I'm getting at is it would be nice, though maybe tricky, for a second type of lock intended for friendlies for the use of shield/cap/armor/tracking/sensor links etc.
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
..... blah blah blah blah....
translates to: I didnt check target before firing.
Funniest thing i've read all morning!
Darwin 4tw
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: jeNK
Anyway.. what I'm getting at is it would be nice, though maybe tricky, for a second type of lock intended for friendlies for the use of shield/cap/armor/tracking/sensor links etc.
Wouldn't really be needed if the system forced you to select an active target from those you have locked, rather than guessing at one for you if you don't have one. That way you'd have to select the friendly before you could fire on it.
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Rover Vitesse
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Patrick
No rover it is uber evil
If a mate in a fleet battle is trying to boost you and you auto target him back then what?? you obliterate him?
Also in empire wars same applies...only concorde pwn yer arse.
Weapons hot is your mistake here. I can't remember anytime I have shot a mate trying to boost me. In a fleet battle you fire at the target designated, not the first guy to lock you, which is what will happen if you are weapons hot. Its not too much effort to press f1-f8 after locking, and the time saved by having them hot, especially in a fleet battle, is minimal imho.
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Rover Vitesse
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:53:00 -
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Ahh, if what happened was what Matthew is saying, thats a different thing then. It would be nice to have an autolock, but then a manual select of target, not just "first one dead, start on the next kerching" thing.
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Monty Burns
Originally by: Derisor
..... blah blah blah blah....
translates to: I didnt check target before firing.
Funniest thing i've read all morning!
He's moaning about the wrong thing, but he might actually have a point, which is not with the auto-lock, but the auto-select of locked targets.
Let me rephrase those events into what I think could have happened:
War target undocked, he locks them. Neutral alt locks him and gets auto-locked in return. He selects the legit war target and starts to F1->F8 on it. Between F1 and F8, the legit war target docks, hence he loses lock. The game "helpfully" transfers to having the neutral as the active target, so F5->F8 get diverted to the neutral without any input from him to do so, and triggers concord.
If the auto-select was a configurable option, I would agree, his fault for having it on. But it isn't, it's a compulsory feature.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:02:00 -
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D A R W I N
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Monty Burns on 03/06/2005 11:06:33
Originally by: Matthew
(quotes me then try's to understand and explain original posters error - shortened to limit post length)
Guns dont fire on a new target, even if its a lock back, until you tell them too Ive seen auto-lock, indeed I use it, but I always check my target.
At least, this is the experience with my eve client.
PS Graelyn... that is priceless!
Darwin 4tw
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Flaming Checklist, copyright Trey Azgazoth
4tw!
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Rover Vitesse
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:06:00 -
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Don't you just hate half-term, when the kids have nothing to do in Downtime but post utter rubbish?
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:14:00 -
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Thank you matthew .. that is exactly what happened.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Monty Burns
Originally by: Derisor
..... blah blah blah blah....
translates to: I didnt check target before firing.
Funniest thing i've read all morning!
Translates to you didnt read the post.
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