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Eojek
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Posted - 2005.06.21 02:22:00 -
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Keep a spare suiside vessel handy. I suggest one or two friggates fitted with gankware, (jammers/webbifiers) and simply kill the thieving bastards. If you can pod them in under 24 seconds, you may take a security hit, but you'll earn it back later.
Also, bountys are pointless. A friend can pod someone, collect the bounty, and then both split the profits from the Concord chump-change. Hire a trustworthy: LMAO: merc and ask for lots of physical evidence they did the deed.
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PsyBoRG
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Posted - 2005.06.21 05:32:00 -
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not using time stamped cans is a very good idea to i know when i go for some lowsec hunting its one of the goodies i look for on my scanner
IE naming ur cargo container 07:34 
http://www.snigg.cjb.net/
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Hulredi
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Posted - 2005.06.21 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Hulredi on 21/06/2005 16:11:34
added PsyBoRG stuff
Hulredi
Ore Avoidance Thread |
EXZODIER
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Posted - 2005.06.24 18:51:00 -
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OK lets get this set JET CANS were ment to dispose of your rubbish that u did not want in cargo -- mineing to these was never intended but hey people used it - they then lost ORE to so called Theife's (THEY AINT STEALING THERE CLEANING UP RUBBISH) CCP installed Secure cans - OK THEY GOT EVERYWHERE - ccp then stoped u sueing them in 1.0-0.9 space OK this space is ment for noob types not peope strip mining - u want to mine in empire do it in the less secure areas of space -- CCP just stop people jettisoning stuff into these cans - they want to complain coz on a technical point there EXPLOITINING (cans were never ment for that use) then just take them out and let all the noobies who use it suffer -
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Booster Terrick
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Posted - 2005.06.25 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Booster Terrick on 25/06/2005 05:20:14
I see this all the time..."opportunists" trying to justify their actions by calling ore theft something like "picking up rubbish". The fact is, people mine into "jet" cans because it is convenient ( I.E. they are FAR larger than any can that can be purchased), regardless of the original reason for "jet" cans being used, like getting rid of unwanted cargo. 
Ore thieves are just that...THIEVES. They didn't mine for it, it isn't theirs, simple as that. Thieves, stop trying to bullsh*t yer way thru your choice of a "profession", it's already as lame as it can get.
As for how to avoid them, that's simple too...If alone, mine only enough to fill a hauler in one trip, mine a little more into the hold of your barge / frigate / cruiser etc. dock and switch ships, then go back and get what's left. It guarantees you won't get ripped off for hours worth of ore, kinda like saving your game often and at key places so you don't lose much if something catastrophic happens.
Also, many of the already listed tactics like moving to off-the-beaten-track systems, renaming cans, and using bookmarks for positions in the belts and to the station work very well.
For rats in lower security systems, use medium drones like hammerheads or vespas that pack a good punch, but remember to pull them in when the fight's over or you might leave them by accident.
Mark any known ore thief by adding them to your addressbook in a folder marked as such, and keep checking "local" chat to see who's around. Pull up stakes and move on if thieves find you or persist in making your mining hole their own little playground.
Lastly, don't bother talking to or complaining to "ore thieves", as this only adds to their level of twisted enjoyment and won't get your ore back anyway...chalk it up as a learning experience and find less-populated systems away from the "hubs" to mine in.
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PsyBoRG
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Posted - 2005.06.28 00:09:00 -
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tbh booster ur very wrong there imo they are not stealing anything if they where doing so im sure the would be commiting a crime there for get a sec rating hit and get flagged for 15 minutes and if they do it in high sec get ganked by concord like i do if i commit a crime which i aparently do quite often  oh well lets just call them "the garbage men and women of eve"
http://www.snigg.cjb.net/
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Luance DeAngeluotti
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:37:00 -
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As an addition to Number 4: If you have someone haul for you be sure that he scoops up the ore dropped into the jetcan as soon as possible or keep it in your cargo hold as long as possible.
Background: Yesterday evening I was mining with a corpmate in Oursulaert (ore thief haven). I in my medium Barge and he was hauling in his Iteron. His hold was not full yet and he and I sat side by side at the jetcan, me dropping ore into the jetcan and telling him to pick it up.
"One moment, I just wait till it is enough to completely fill my cargo-hold". I had my screen filled with chat windows (that is why I am mining, to be able to chat and still have the sense to do smthg useful ) so I did not see that hauler approaching.
Then the ore thief rammed us and took the ore out of the can WHILE WE WERE BOTH SITTING RIGHT BESIDE THE SAME CAN.
Nice stunt. And totally avoidable from our side
We are recruiting!
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Hulredi
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Posted - 2005.06.28 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Hulredi on 28/06/2005 14:47:34
 Originally by: PsyBoRG
... oh well lets just call them "the garbage men and women of eve"
LOL I like this quote but lets be politically correct they are sanitary enginners
Anyways back on topic thanks for all your comments and praises
Hulredi
Ore Avoidance Thread |
muriel
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Posted - 2005.06.28 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: muriel on 28/06/2005 15:00:55
thinks todays secure cargo containers is to smal they are outdated.
why they are outdated.
when i started there was not so many bs flying in space and we did not have mining barges.
let us get bigger secure cans who is usfull for corp mining todays secure cans is just a joke.
a bad joke.
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2005.06.28 17:13:00 -
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The best lesson to learn is not to solo mine. all you need is one pilot with a hauler, two-three pilots minning will keep him busy for hours.
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Lumelame
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Posted - 2005.06.30 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Luance DeAngeluotti
"One moment, I just wait till it is enough to completely fill my cargo-hold". I had my screen filled with chat windows (that is why I am mining, to be able to chat and still have the sense to do smthg useful ) so I did not see that hauler approaching.
Then the ore thief rammed us and took the ore out of the can WHILE WE WERE BOTH SITTING RIGHT BESIDE THE SAME CAN.
Can this point be considered as an Exploit ??
What's the position of CCP on these particular situation as it's impossible to transfer directly to the cargo of an insustrial ??
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altino
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Posted - 2005.07.11 15:40:00 -
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Then the ore thief rammed us and took the ore out of the can WHILE WE WERE BOTH SITTING RIGHT BESIDE THE SAME CAN.
Make a hit list and get the bastards later when they don't expect it
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Ravenhand
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Posted - 2005.07.18 20:03:00 -
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IMO there are a couple of ways to elevate this problem.
1.(I agree with previous post) Make secure containers lager capacity. Currently Giant Secure containers hold 3900m3 make them (for augments sake) 4500m3. The only down side to this is it will through the cargo capacity of haulers out of balance. Maybe they could make a ôSecure Ore Containerö the volume of the container could be such that only one could be carried by a med hauler or just one per hauler, make it (again for augments sake) 25000m3 (see 2)capacity. And can only hold ore.
2.Why are jet cans so larger? Make the capacity smaller say 15000m3.
3.Make all containers, from giant secure containers on down with a life span. Lets say 30 days, this would make the people that use them for advertising have to continually replace them. This would have a positive affect of cleaning up the systems.
What say you all
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ToLate
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Posted - 2005.08.01 16:16:00 -
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Mine in a BS. Put out a bunch of cans.Tank a group of rats. Let the thief come in. Warp out just as he gets into your can farm. Let the rats kill him. Return and take HIS can.
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Pagefault
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Posted - 2005.08.03 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenhand
IMO there are a couple of ways to elevate this problem.
2.Why are jet cans so larger? Make the capacity smaller say 15000m3.
Because they must hold everything, that is inside your ship, when u get blown up...
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Camord
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Posted - 2005.08.03 23:09:00 -
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It's simply stupid that you can't defend yourself from ore thieves... I'm outta this game because of this! Got killed trying to prevent a theft! Makes absolutely no sense! I guess I'll go to CCP headquarters, steal their comps and see if they defend or not! lol
soooo stupid... sooo stupid...
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Blydchyld
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Posted - 2005.08.04 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Blydchyld on 04/08/2005 15:14:27
Originally by: Camord
I guess I'll go to CCP headquarters, steal their comps and see if they defend or not! lol
soooo stupid... sooo stupid...
You do of course realise it is against international law to threaten someone over the net? If CCP decide to they can take you to court in Iceland, Might wanna check if your country allows extradition orders to Iceland or if they dont, check to see if they extradite to within the EU.
So yes i agree, You are 'soooo stupid... sooo stupid...'
BTW when you leave, send me all your ISK and escrow all your items to ign: blydchyld
Edit: Checked applicable laws.
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Brundle Fish
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Posted - 2005.08.04 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Camord
It's simply stupid that you can't defend yourself from ore thieves... I'm outta this game because of this! Got killed trying to prevent a theft! Makes absolutely no sense! I guess I'll go to CCP headquarters, steal their comps and see if they defend or not! lol
soooo stupid... sooo stupid...
The only way its possible to steal ore in Eve is when its in a your station and then only by corp mates that have access. So you can defend against it by not giving people access.
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Karpell Tunell
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Posted - 2005.08.04 17:00:00 -
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I can't believe the number of people don't consider ore thieves to be "thieves". Its shocking! These are the same low lifes who would steal a bicycle from your back yard and attempt to rationalize it as not stealing because you didn't lock it up. If you have no morals in-game theres a better than even chance you lack the morals in rl as well. Shame on you! 
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Brundle Fish
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Posted - 2005.08.04 17:10:00 -
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The devs said its not stealing. Its thier game so until they tell me your in charge i will go with what they say.
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Karpell Tunell
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Posted - 2005.08.05 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Karpell Tunell on 05/08/2005 16:48:34
/sigh. I know instinctively the difference between whats right and wrong. Its unfortunate that some people need to ask others. 
For reference, where is the statement from the devs that its ok to steal from others? I'd like to see if there is a specific rational behind it.
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Brundle Fish
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Posted - 2005.08.05 20:23:00 -
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http://support.eve-online.com/cgi-bin/eve_online.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=520
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Sgt Spiff
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Posted - 2005.08.06 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Booster Terrick
Edited by: Booster Terrick on 25/06/2005 05:20:14
I see this all the time..."opportunists" trying to justify their actions by calling ore theft something like "picking up rubbish". The fact is, people mine into "jet" cans because it is convenient ( I.E. they are FAR larger than any can that can be purchased), regardless of the original reason for "jet" cans being used, like getting rid of unwanted cargo.
Ore thieves are just that...THIEVES. They didn't mine for it, it isn't theirs, simple as that. Thieves, stop trying to bullsh*t yer way thru your choice of a "profession", it's already as lame as it can get.
As for how to avoid them, that's simple too...If alone, mine only enough to fill a hauler in one trip, mine a little more into the hold of your barge / frigate / cruiser etc. dock and switch ships, then go back and get what's left. It guarantees you won't get ripped off for hours worth of ore, kinda like saving your game often and at key places so you don't lose much if something catastrophic happens.
Also, many of the already listed tactics like moving to off-the-beaten-track systems, renaming cans, and using bookmarks for positions in the belts and to the station work very well.
For rats in lower security systems, use medium drones like hammerheads or vespas that pack a good punch, but remember to pull them in when the fight's over or you might leave them by accident.
Mark any known ore thief by adding them to your addressbook in a folder marked as such, and keep checking "local" chat to see who's around. Pull up stakes and move on if thieves find you or persist in making your mining hole their own little playground.
Lastly, don't bother talking to or complaining to "ore thieves", as this only adds to their level of twisted enjoyment and won't get your ore back anyway...chalk it up as a learning experience and find less-populated systems away from the "hubs" to mine in.
ok now ore thiefs are thieving. I can agree with you on that, however, the people they take from are really stupid. Using un-secured cans in space just mining into them and hoping an ore thief never gets them, thats like not fastening your seat belt and saying, "Im never gonna get into a car accident." if no-one steals your ore, then good for you. if someone does its YOUR FAULT.
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Fenrir Greyback
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Posted - 2005.08.07 00:49:00 -
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lol these tips are all useless i use to play this game when it first came out even before secured containers came out. And I use to be the biggest ore thief around. but i'll tell you guys some of the tricks I use to used.(just started playing the game agian trying make be a legit guy with no thiefing)
Tip 1: Check every container to see if it has a password on it or not.
Tip 2: Smaktalk is a must if you can get the person talking(it distracts them from taking the ore from the containers
to any station so that theres less for you to take. and always enjoyable sometimes[Makes the game more interesting])
Tip 3: If your into check every asteroid belt in the system if it's a populated one once or twice.
Tip 4: always check every can unless theres like 10 or more then theres no point unless it's in deep space and the pay off would be bigger then the risks.
Tip 5: Always use industrail ships with mwd and jammers if in a low sec so they can't warp scramble you and kill you.
thats all i can think of for that i use to use. hope this helps out some people who are thinking about doing it
PS always check the forums about ore thiefing you'll get great tips on how your victim will try and trick you into not stealing anything from him/or her.
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Talons
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Posted - 2005.08.08 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Talons on 08/08/2005 16:08:43
Edited by: Talons on 08/08/2005 16:08:21
It is very simple to avoid the 'Ore Thief'. Just mine < 0.5 space and if they show up, Kill them!
Talons,
CEO - Two Brothers Mining Corporation (TBMC)
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Amonsun
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Posted - 2005.08.08 17:49:00 -
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I only read part of this thread but I didnt see this listed yet.
If your ore is taken simply note their names and spread it to your friends.
Don't speak to the thief say nothing just continue about your business, don't give them the pleasure of knowing that they have bothered you in any way what so ever.
This works for me and my crew.
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kingsize
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Posted - 2005.08.09 20:31:00 -
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2 years and hundreds of millions of isk and I really can't be bothered with this painfully expensive, slow paced, entirely biased game. Really, issues like this are just an example of why I can't be bothered anymore. I'd rather spend ú20 on a new game every few months.
Don't wait around for space sovereignty because it isnÆt going to happen for a long long time.
POS were supposed to be player owned stations not crappy structures.
As soon as you're in a group that do too well, CCP will change the rules.
Each patch does stupid things like make you learn a new set of skills for something you had already e.g. trade skills.
The internal markets are exploited and pathetic - there was so much scope here but it was wasted because of not enough thought into it.
Ship and module "tweaking" is the bane of every long-standing players life.
Moving around "eve" is far too slow to be enjoyable.
Really ask yourself - is it fun or boring?
I can't be bothered to pay your wages anymore.
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Xephie
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Posted - 2005.08.15 02:25:00 -
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you know what works for me is minning in 0.4 or lower and keeping a pvp ship or ships at a SS or at a pos... then when you get some anoying ore theif just blast this **** out of them... or have your friend do it for you... you know it makes a nice trap for some greedy people
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Theoryon
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Posted - 2005.08.15 11:42:00 -
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Get a Coveter mining Barge and mine in 0.5 space. The 4,000 m3 cargospace is just like your own personal secure container. Useing insta's will make it almost as fast as if you were mining into a can. Also, with the coveter ming barge and skills, it'll take you at least 6 mins to fill your cargo hold; which is partially handy for Russian Roulette (0.4 or less) mining.
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Hulredi
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Posted - 2005.08.17 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Hulredi on 17/08/2005 16:41:06
Brundle Fish mentioned this link which describes CCP's stance on ore theft Ore Theft Stance
Any everyone this is information on how to avoid ore thief.
If you want to dicuss the moral implications of ore theft there is tons of threads on that.
If you want complain that CCP isnt doing anything about it, sorry to say to bad as the link above decribes how they feel about it and what they are doing about it.
Please please keep this on topic as I have done alot of work on this thread and alot of people have contributed to the information here,I dont want something bad to happen to it as I feel it is an excellent resource for miners and ore thiefs alike.
Hulredi
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