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anthonieak
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Posted - 2005.08.22 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: anthonieak on 22/08/2005 12:01:33
All nice issues, but does it really help?
No it does not you still have that grieve and you can not do nothing about. I have been mining for 18 months, could jettison my cans had aroud 4 till 7 cans laying around me. All the refined ore that i sold i helped other corpmates. Then in new patch you have secure cans. 3900 m3 at the most. Only a corvetor with modulated miners and 10 mining drones. Mines 3396 m3 every 3 minutes and the drones mine 540 m3 in that 3 minutes. The secure cans are totaly worthles too an expert miner. He have too take 30 till 50 cans too every belt too mine properly. As every can then also cost 200.000 minimum it is totally worthless. At first a took ore mining thieve for granted. I thought i lose 1 can for every ore I mined. But grieve stays. So I do missions lvl 3 now instead. And mine only if there is hauling service in our corp.
The expert lonely miner in empire is dying, every day you get confronted with 1 till 7 day old characters that are only after your ore. And with all measures you can do nothing about it. And all with ore thieve says it is only a game.
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Celia Azur
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Posted - 2005.08.23 10:36:00 -
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Perhaps when an ore thief approaches just highlight all the ore in your can and drag it out of the can but not into anything else. That way the can does not go anywhere and you can just wait until the silly sap moves on.
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Arden Finch
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:38:00 -
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Looks like CCP is starting to do something against ore theft. Just read the following in the patch notes (in testing bit):
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Criminal flag pilots that take from jettisoned cans which don't belong to them
This is needed to allow the owner of the can to shoot the one taking from his own jettisoned can and to allow the owner to shoot anyone taking from the loot cans which drop from the NPC's the owner destroyed. This does NOT include a CONCORD response, only enables the owner to shoot without getting CONCORDOKENED himself. Could be applied to agent missions too, registering jettisoned containers to the mission owner.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2005.08.25 16:03:00 -
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My corp are mass miners. This may surprise some, but i would love to see jettison cans removed from the game. Or at least make it impossible to mine into a jettison can.
Why??
Because, the mining profession would almost become void. Mineral prices would quadruple, and the market would fall. My mass mining corp would organise alternate means using the current giant secure containers, and make a fortune due to the mass inflation of mineral prices.
Do Pvp'rs want to buy their apoc for 400 million isk?? Because that is precisely what will happen if they are removed. CCP are too busy helping the pvpr's and 0.0 crew, and leave the empire workers behind.
Without us, Eve fails. Hopefully CCP might realise this one day.
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Wulfstan
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Posted - 2005.08.26 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Wulfstan on 26/08/2005 18:45:47
If you have a turret mount weapon or missiles, blast your can to within an inch of it's life, and keep it targetted.
Then if it's about to get nabbed by an ore thief, you can blast it to bits in seconds so at least you deny the ore thief the pleasure of nicking your hard earned loot! 
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Max DeathWish
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Posted - 2005.08.26 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: PsyBoRG
tbh booster ur very wrong there imo they are not stealing anything if they where doing so im sure the would be commiting a crime there for get a sec rating hit and get flagged for 15 minutes and if they do it in high sec get ganked by concord like i do if i commit a crime which i aparently do quite often  oh well lets just call them "the garbage men and women of eve"
Yer "logic" be obsolete, m8 - read the "In Testing" section of EVE Insider (under "Patch Notes"). Coming soon, to an Empire near you: CONCORD will no longer swoop in to defend the courageous "garbage men" - in fact, members of this "profession" will now be officially flagged as the thieves they are, and will be fair game for their victims. 
Max DeathWish.
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Abdicator
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:14:00 -
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You can also simply call OTR, we specialise in empire termination of ore theives and offer a fast, descreet service at very reasonable rates, and we return all ore recovered.
Join Channel OTR Contracts or contact myself or OTsBane.
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Slater Dogstar
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Posted - 2005.09.01 19:44:00 -
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mine with a friend you mine into a giant secure container whilel your friend suts next to it in a hauler constanly emptying it. When hes fulll insta warp dock at a station unlload then insta warp back to the can before its full and the miners has to stop mining works for me.
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Sweety Redmouse
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Posted - 2005.09.06 21:19:00 -
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Set ore thiefs standing to -10.0
When you find him in a low sec. area, blow him up, then remind him why you did it. If you see him again later, blow him up again for good measure.
If they are adding a criminal tag to people who open labelled or flagged jcans later, then whats better...
Ore thief can loot and scoot, hoping to get out before you nail him... but at least you get your chance in obliterating the lazy, little scumball so he wont do it again.
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JoeT
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Posted - 2005.09.08 06:39:00 -
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hmm Ore thiefs...
i dont do it. Here are my rules [personal ones mind you]
Jetted cans: stuff they dont want [nothing wrong if it is a jetted can overall] Use Secure cans for best proection
I will take jetted cans and cargo after i blow up your ship [cause they cant use it at that point]
thats pretty much it. I only take ore if i pop your ship :)
fair?
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Praetor Novak
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Posted - 2005.09.09 15:44:00 -
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Here is a novel technique to use on ore thieves:
Keep a ship scanner mounted and maybe a cargo scanner.
The ore thieves sometimes have interesting/valuable modules mounted and/or something other than stolen ore in their cargo hold of some significant value. Scanning their cargo also allows you to see how successful they have been on this run.
If you are in a busy system with lots of people, just make an announcement in the local channel to everyone that some sack and grab crew can get say for example: a "Improved Cloaking device II" for FREE in Belt VII-6 from said ore thief...
They will generally be very angry and warp away to the safety of a station.
I use a hauler 99% of the time. We only use the jet cans to transfer the ore. There is never any ore to steal, just a jet can with a round of lead hybrid ammo in it (keeps the can open while allowing the hauler to quickly grab the ore).
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Miss Eliot
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Posted - 2005.09.10 11:20:00 -
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Well, the best thing to prevent ore thiefes is to know them!
Second, don't mine to long into cans. I, for example, mine with two accounts, make one ore two cans full (takes around half an hour) and then haul it back with one char (takes around 10 mins with 1 char still mining and one char hauling). Such way you will never ever lose more than half an hour of work and this ore thief (mark him in your adressbook) will not steal from you any more as you know him now and can haul back your cans when he shows up in local.
And when some of you say: Don't mine into jettsoned cans ... well i guess your math is not the best:
example 1: 1 miner, 1 hauler, secure can. You will never ever lose ore but will always have only the amount of 1 mining char.
example 2: method as described above. 2 chars mining nearly all the time. When 2 cans are full, 1 will still mine, the other haul back the ore. Your mining amount has now nearly be doubled. Lets say every 10th can will be stolen ... which way is more profitable? In fact, every second can could be stolen and you would still make the same profit as in example 1.
and when you mine alone ... well, if you only use a few secure cans(and more makes no sense), you will haul most time ... so your amount compared with jettson can mining will be even worse!
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Xenios Alfar
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Posted - 2005.09.14 18:44:00 -
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To be quite honest you are talking as if this has any effect on real life. although we do pay for EVE it is stil a 'Role-Playing' game so they idea is to take on a role and play as it, to what extent of role-playing this is is up to the person but if they choose to take on the role of a thief it is their choice and instead of moaning about it find them and destroy them for ever damaging your profit. Many people take this game FAR to seriously and need to wind down a bit, you have all been comparing ore theifs to people who would steal your bike but why not compare pirates to murderers or rapists.. because it is an aspect of the game. CCP i think in my opinion wanted to create a living breathing world much liek a real one where anything is possible within the boudns of the game if peopel choose to play a Bad guy then that is their choice and just because they steal in game doesnt mean they do it in real life. i would certainly rather someone attempt to theive from me in EVE than steal my computer at home. so please stop comparing EVE to real life as it is meant to seem realistic in this sense. ore thiefs in the end are just making money their own way, just because it is not the 'Good And Decent' thing to do does not make it wrong. I love role-playing a pirate and have often role-played with my victim and they thoroughly enjoyed it some have said. a lot of people wish people would play in character more. thats my 2 cents. now y'all stop arguing bout who took your ore and go pod them! especialy with the new flagging for opening someoen elses can and taking its a lot easier <3 thankyou CCP many a orethief has already fallen!! Rawr!! 
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Swanny231
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Posted - 2005.09.15 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xenios Alfar
To be quite honest you are talking as if this has any effect on real life. although we do pay for EVE it is stil a 'Role-Playing' game so they idea is to take on a role and play as it, to what extent of role-playing this is is up to the person but if they choose to take on the role of a thief it is their choice and instead of moaning about it find them and destroy them for ever damaging your profit. Many people take this game FAR to seriously and need to wind down a bit, you have all been comparing ore theifs to people who would steal your bike but why not compare pirates to murderers or rapists.. because it is an aspect of the game. CCP i think in my opinion wanted to create a living breathing world much liek a real one where anything is possible within the boudns of the game if peopel choose to play a Bad guy then that is their choice and just because they steal in game doesnt mean they do it in real life. i would certainly rather someone attempt to theive from me in EVE than steal my computer at home. so please stop comparing EVE to real life as it is meant to seem realistic in this sense. ore thiefs in the end are just making money their own way, just because it is not the 'Good And Decent' thing to do does not make it wrong. I love role-playing a pirate and have often role-played with my victim and they thoroughly enjoyed it some have said. a lot of people wish people would play in character more. thats my 2 cents. now y'all stop arguing bout who took your ore and go pod them! especialy with the new flagging for opening someoen elses can and taking its a lot easier <3 thankyou CCP many a orethief has already fallen!! Rawr!!
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Xenios Alfar
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Posted - 2005.09.15 15:07:00 -
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hahahaha Ownt by the pirate Fairies!!!!
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Eomar
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Posted - 2005.09.19 05:48:00 -
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seems to me the best thing to do is play the ore thieves at thier own game (that is beng a bunch of ****s.)
Do what they say, dont mine into jet cans. instead only mine into your hold and haul it back.
Because itll now take you 10x as long to mine minerals you should then sell your minerals at the apropriate value. 30isk a unt for trit sounds reasonable to me.
Of course the knock on effects will be tremendous - Thieves will be out of buisness. But as the cost of ships will be through the roof they wont be able to afford to do much.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2005.09.19 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: JoeT
hmm Ore thiefs...
i dont do it. Here are my rules [personal ones mind you]
Jetted cans: stuff they dont want [nothing wrong if it is a jetted can overall] Use Secure cans for best proection
I will take jetted cans and cargo after i blow up your ship [cause they cant use it at that point]
thats pretty much it. I only take ore if i pop your ship :)
fair?
Well JoeT, its the funny world we live in. Steal a can of ore and the anger is beyond beleif! The community boils! Kill the miner first and then steal there ore then nobody cares less.
Personally, I always bring a hauler around, or just mine in a quite system. I find it sometimes safer to solomine in a 0.2 than in a 1.0 due to theives :)
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Haram Zada
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Posted - 2005.09.19 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Eomar
seems to me the best thing to do is play the ore thieves at thier own game (that is beng a bunch of ****s.)
Do what they say, dont mine into jet cans. instead only mine into your hold and haul it back.
Because itll now take you 10x as long to mine minerals you should then sell your minerals at the apropriate value. 30isk a unt for trit sounds reasonable to me.
Of course the knock on effects will be tremendous - Thieves will be out of buisness. But as the cost of ships will be through the roof they wont be able to afford to do much.
Well, that would be true if it were not for the fact that the price of minerals can never go above the reprocessing value of what NPC's sell.
Otherwise, people would buy shuttles from NPC's and recycle them, thus creating instant profit on the player market :) It was also this reason why Trit can never go above 4isk per unit.
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Drayco
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Posted - 2005.09.24 03:14:00 -
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The whole problem I've seen with players stealing ore. It's mainly lower class players IE rookie wanna-be pirates or players that just have no common sense. Which is in empire space and not much to really mine there. Jet'n a can is safe to do aslong as you watch your surroundings. keep an eye on local. Even if you get a thief running about 9 times out of 10 they are in a frigate and can't steal much anyway. Now the best place to mine where you don't have to worry about these problems is in 0.4 or lower... Someone you don't like comes near your mining op. Take'm out nuff said. There will always be a risk in everything you do in this game. I say to the pilots that hate ore pirates yanking their cans, "Deal with it. Learn where and when to mine with little problems."
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Lady Ciella
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Posted - 2005.09.28 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Ciella on 28/09/2005 04:57:59
edit: Originally said I was not podded, not the case
I jetcan mine in 0.4 for profit or highsec if I want base minerals. I've been ganked once (Raven > Prophecy) but I've never lost one ISK to a thief.
Go figure.
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Stephen HB
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Posted - 2005.09.28 04:56:00 -
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ARGH!! Bloody character order selector thingy. ^^3 day old experimental alt^^
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Shaitis
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Posted - 2005.10.02 19:16:00 -
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I'm not a miner but have to said one thing...
I'm 2 months noob... and still remember that my second day of EVE life I went to belt and found 3-4 BS with couple mining barges mining in to containers. I was flying I guess kestrel or something. I found container with astronomic amount of ore... and I think that I'm so smart I took some. Lol never did it again - I'd like to sorry to this guys - that was stupid, but I didnt know lol that it was noobish. ;) Sorry again.
It is stupid that U cant shoot to such guys as me then without Cflagging
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gojoIII
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Posted - 2005.10.04 02:01:00 -
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I have several alts, 3 i use to mine, one i use to guard and one to haul. i haul as fast as i fill a can and personally, i feel sorry for any ore thief, my gunner is also setup for antipirate-ing. he has a bit of a minus sec (from whomping pirates) so most people that warp in, warp back out. i dont have any termptation to use macros, i have too much invested in my setup. all tat said, i would arrange to haul as fast as it is mined to capacity of hauler, and yes, bokkmarks are key.
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2005.10.09 12:59:00 -
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Didn't see this one mentioned yet:
If a thief seems to be creeping up on your can and there's no feasible way to haul the ore out before he gets it, you can chose to blow up the can. This ofcourse requires the can to be either yours or a corpmates (player corps only).
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Anti Orethief
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Posted - 2005.10.10 20:27:00 -
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Nice Thread
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captain kikaz
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Posted - 2005.10.12 10:47:00 -
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I'm sorry but this is stupid. If you are brainless enough to mine into an UNSECURE can then it is open season i'm afraid.I've made millions off ejets like you lot who do nothing but moan and don't take the hint to mine into a secure can and i will continue to do so until someone makes it against the game rules.
It'sa game get a life or even better get a secure can
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Ralius
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Posted - 2005.10.12 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: captain kikaz
I'm sorry but this is stupid. If you are brainless enough to mine into an UNSECURE can then it is open season i'm afraid.I've made millions off ejets like you lot who do nothing but moan and don't take the hint to mine into a secure can and i will continue to do so until someone makes it against the game rules.
It'sa game get a life or even better get a secure can
I can only agree... Im a relative noob to this game tho I can say things have locks on them for a reason... aka to keep ppl out of em... while taking large quantities of ore or whatever from an unsecure can that is obviously being used as storage IS stealing.... it is still unsecure and therefor the users responsability not local authorities.
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Mimio
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Posted - 2005.10.19 09:44:00 -
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1. Flagging of thief is bad idea.
a) It will lead to griefing of noobs
b) Best miner will be something like cruiser, destroyer or bs
c) Do we want to see Real Chineese Farming here? We will see it. Anybody played Lineage 2? I did and I do hate farming, botting and macrosing
2. Remember, when you drop something in real life, dropped thing does not belong to you. Anybody could pickup it and ignor you.
3. Use secure conts, organize your mining team well, do not be too greedy and ore thiefs will only vanishingly small threat to your business.
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ERMIS
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Posted - 2005.10.22 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: MutationZ
Nice common sense tactics.
If everybody did this it would cut the cries of "omg thiefz0r" in local.
Ok, i dont agree with the above cause these cries plus the name of the thief will warn others who might mine in the same system and take counter-measures as well.I have been helped by that a lot in the past.
About the minning guide i have to add this: Mine in groups, i.e. one team miners and one team haulers.
Me an my fellows in my corp arrange minning operations, we arange 4-5 miners (BSs BCs and Barges) and 3-4 haulers.By the rate we are minning (an entire belt dissapears in 3-4h) the other team is hauling all the time.We haul in jet cans due to the HUGE ammount of ore we produce.We all have instas so the haulers are next to the cans in no time and go back in station as fast as they come.This helps alot and we call "Ninja hauling".The only drawback might be that the hauling ships dont look towards the station they came from and the intdustrials need some secs more to turn their head towards it.If and only if a thief dares to come close we can stall him/them by pushing his ship away using ours and give more time for the haulers to work. Using this prcedure helps a lot plus we dont mind if we lose some of the ore we mined (ofcourse we dont do this mistake second time)
I hope i helped
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Getum
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Posted - 2005.10.26 16:35:00 -
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well if you have the money I would say do this....
get 2 accounts. one miner one hauler. If a ore theif shows, cut off laser and wait. 5 minutes of waiting will save from 30 minutes of mining.
Just a suggestion if you can afford it.
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