Not going to work (again).

EHP nerf on Mack => everybody roll Retrievers since why have an easily popped, nerfed yield 200M ship when you can have a similar insurable throwaway other ship?

Also, "3 ships for different jobs" is an illusion and will stay an illusion till CCP will (ever) redo mining from scratch and make it worth actively playing. Till that day there's only 1 job and that's using the most AFK ship of all, period.

Yes we afk when the enemy comes to siege it.

Not going to work (again).

EHP nerf on Mack => everybody roll Retrievers since why have an easily popped, nerfed yield 200M ship when you can have a similar insurable throwaway other ship?

Also, "3 ships for different jobs" is an illusion and will stay an illusion till CCP will (ever) redo mining from scratch and make it worth actively playing. Till that day there's only 1 job and that's using the most AFK ship of all, period.

Given that t2 untanked retrievers are profitable to gank and not as good as a mack I would say that is not a very valid tactic. There are also indeed different jobs for these ships. Skiff can tank the easyest, mack can stay out the longest and the hulk get the best yeild. This is what CCP intended and all they need to do to make it happen is alter the mack a bit.

As for what CCP intended to do, sure it's quite logic and clear... too bad the huge majority of the playerbase see mining as "AFK mining for AFK ISK" (given how boring it is, they can't be held at fault for thinking so).

Yes they can. If mining is so boring, than they can always find something more interesting to do, so why don't they? They can certainly be held at fault for thinking "I'm going afk because this is boring" instead of thinking "What am I doing, this is boring, I should go find something else to do."

Nobody of the targets cares they are profitable to gank if their ship is throwaway and insurable.

Many botters lost a lot of isk trying this and the rage was oh so funny when people pointed out that if they simply tanked their ships they would make a lot more isk and lose far fewer ships.

Botters are effectively "nobody", they don't even live

Yes they can. If mining is so boring, than they can always find something more interesting to do, so why don't they? They can certainly be held at fault for thinking "I'm going afk because this is boring" instead of thinking "What am I doing, this is boring, I should go find something else to do."

Many botters lost a lot of isk trying this and the rage was oh so funny when people pointed out that if they simply tanked their ships they would make a lot more isk and lose far fewer ships.

Your thought is quite obvious... maybe a bit too much. There are several cases where mining being boring is actually a plus.

IE for all those who work in the IT industry (a number of EvE players do) can slap 3-4 clients happily AFK mining while they answer helpdesk calls, go to another department to install a software and come back etc. Couldn't really pew pew or even mission doing that, mining becomes the "> 0 ISK income for when I get home and I can actually play".

A mum can sick some mining ships on ice and go "tame" the baby and painstakingly convince him to sleep.

For others mining is an ISK plus to something else. I.e. if you are a Jita trader you can sit in a mining ship while flipping orders, ISK will add up on the long run.

Mining is also the thing you can ALT TAB while doing missions, WHs or something else.

Mining boringness is seen as the "add on activity" to put additional ISK on top of some other activity.

While the above mentioned examples are not "bots" as in programs meant to automate keyboard/jmouse clicks, they are indeed bot-aspirant since they aren't choosing to play the game, but are choosing to do something else OTHER than playing the game. Which, you did indeed justify and prove with your same examples.

Which is in fact the problem.

Bot aspirant behaviors

You can be AFK if you want, you just need to deal with the consequences.

Let CONCORD deal with it.

Well can't really but agree. However the ball is in CCP's field on this, until they don't do something "interactive" (be it ring mining or whatever) players will just go the path of least resistance, like in all games.

As long as bots are not used, I don't see any problem with people AFK mining. Neither do CCP btw.

Correct. CCP also doesn't have an issue with players reacting to it.

Correct. If you want to shoot them, then do it. I don't see any point in moaning about it on the forum. Either put up, or shut up.

We do, we're averaging 10 to 15 exhumer explosions a day over the last month and coming up on 90 billion Isk worth of damage, not to shabby for a small but determined group of people (who are probably all alts of James 315 if the miners are to be believed)

enjoy ccp losing all those alt miners when mining goes "interactive" because you won't be able to play the ****** mini-quick time game on several accounts at once unless you're the octopus man.

also for the isk/hour if you have to be at the pc, you're not going to be mining.

We do, we're averaging 10 to 15 exhumer explosions a day over the last month and coming up on 90 billion Isk worth of damage, not to shabby for a small but determined group of people (who are probably all alts of James 315 if the miners are to be believed)

If mining was made interactive like other games, it'd take few seconds to dig a chunk of roid, no need to stay hours doing it.

I am sure CCP can come up with some viable solution to make everyone happy: i.e. a "passive, fall back mode" similar to today and an "active mode" that yields way more minerals for those who choose to really play the game.

there is an active mode, it's called changing which t2 crystal is equipped.
is mining fixed now?

No, I talk about a new mechanic, I edited my post you have quoted, how do you think about the draft idea?