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Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:57:00 -
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Poor baby, you can't.
I tried to remove this sig. |

Rusty Waynne
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:01:00 -
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Naw. They should just significantly reduce the cool down timer on it.
A 365 day cool down is pretty damn stupid and makes little sense. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1215
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:03:00 -
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Abu Tarynnia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:Tippia wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ? Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game. If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please. I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?! You can buy Plex with RL money and also isk. So same thing really. Nope because in order to buy them with ISK someone has buy them with RL money .. they just don't fly in from hyperspace. So PLEX = RL money. ISK != RL money. For RL money I should be able to pimp my char. But if it is true capitalism at work could I then buy plexs with real money to have your character deleted or reduced in SP and remaps?
Oh and Actually plexs do just fly in. You give your real money for something hypothetical that does not really exist and that others trade for imaginary money (isk)
So while you have the ability to pay real money to buy an imaginary object people have the ability to buy an imaginary object with imaginary money. It is more the value of imaginary money involved that values a PLEX rater than the amount of real life money.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3029
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:04:00 -
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Rusty Waynne wrote:
A 365 day cool down is pretty damn stupid and makes little sense.
That is a trolling opinion without any stated reasons or justifications. -áGÇ£Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.GÇ¥ - Oscar Wilde |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1215
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:04:00 -
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Rusty Waynne wrote:Naw. They should just significantly reduce the cool down timer on it.
A 365 day cool down is pretty damn stupid and makes little sense. It is a very simple concept.
Think before you act. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
11114
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:04:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:EVE is about Freedom of choice. Ignoring core mechanics is not part of those choices. In the cases it is, it falls pretty much straight into the category of GÇ£exploitGÇ¥.
Abu Tarynnia wrote:I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?! You are. It doesn't matter if it's PLEX or ISK (if anything, it's even worse if it's PLEX, but since you can get your hands on those with ISK it's largely the same). The fact remains: you're paying to bypass core game mechanics. That's makes it an inherently horrible idea that belongs in a fucktarded P2W Facebook game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1028
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:05:00 -
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Rusty Waynne wrote:Naw. They should just significantly reduce the cool down timer on it.
A 365 day cool down is pretty damn stupid and makes little sense.
I already provided you with a perfectly valid lore reason why this makes sense. |

DEFIER ORILIS
DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT
36
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:05:00 -
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In fact, Remaps should not exist.
- You should be free to remap your attributes at anytime. My body, my clone, my attributes, my choice. - Game mechanics and ISK should have nothing to do with my attribute remap choices other than ISK allows me to buy my skills and game mechanics allows me to use my learned skills.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5889
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:06:00 -
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Rusty Waynne wrote:Naw. They should just significantly reduce the cool down timer on it.
A 365 day cool down is pretty damn stupid and makes little sense.
A 365 day cooldown is a work of transcendant genius. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
11115
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:07:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:In fact, Remaps should not exist. It should be a + and - choice at anytime while your skills are paused.
- You should be free to remap your attributes at anytime. My body, my clone, my attributes, my choice. - Game mechanics and ISK should have nothing to do with my attribute remap choices other than ISK allows me to buy my skills and game mechanics allows me to use my learned skills. So what you're actually asking for is the complete removal of attributes.
No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
656
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:08:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:In fact, Remaps should not exist. It should be a + and - choice at anytime while your skills are paused.
- You should be free to remap your attributes at anytime. My body, my clone, my attributes, my choice. - Game mechanics and ISK should have nothing to do with my attribute remap choices other than ISK allows me to buy my skills and game mechanics allows me to use my learned skills.
You do realize that attributes ARE a game mechanic, right? Bumping, leave it alone. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1216
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:09:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:In fact, Remaps should not exist. It should be a + and - choice at anytime while your skills are paused.
- You should be free to remap your attributes at anytime. My body, my clone, my attributes, my choice. - Game mechanics and ISK should have nothing to do with my attribute remap choices other than ISK allows me to buy my skills and game mechanics allows me to use my learned skills. So why have attributes at all when everyone would be learning at the same rate anyway? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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DEFIER ORILIS
DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT
36
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:In fact, Remaps should not exist. It should be a + and - choice at anytime while your skills are paused.
- You should be free to remap your attributes at anytime. My body, my clone, my attributes, my choice. - Game mechanics and ISK should have nothing to do with my attribute remap choices other than ISK allows me to buy my skills and game mechanics allows me to use my learned skills. So what you're actually asking for is the complete removal of attributes. No.
DANG! where does it say remove attributes in my post? Remapping should be active at anytime, |

DEFIER ORILIS
DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT
36
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:15:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:In fact, Remaps should not exist. It should be a + and - choice at anytime while your skills are paused.
- You should be free to remap your attributes at anytime. My body, my clone, my attributes, my choice. - Game mechanics and ISK should have nothing to do with my attribute remap choices other than ISK allows me to buy my skills and game mechanics allows me to use my learned skills. You do realize that attributes ARE a game mechanic, right?
Thx for the question there! Yes, I think we all know that attributes are game mechanics.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
11115
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:15:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:DANG! where does it say remove attributes in my post? Remapping should be active at anytime, Here:
GÇ£In fact, Remaps should not exist. It should be a + and - choice at anytime while your skills are paused. - You should be free to remap your attributes at anytime. My body, my clone, my attributes, my choice.GÇ¥
Attributes are a game mechanic put into the game to ensure that you cannot train any and all skills at max speed at the same time or at any time you want. What you're suggesting is this mechanic is changed so that you can train any and all skills at max speed any time you want. In other words, you are asking for the functional removal of attributes as a game mechanic.
So no. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

Abu Tarynnia
Abu Tarynnia Corporation
35
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?! You are. It doesn't matter if it's PLEX or ISK (if anything, it's even worse if it's PLEX, but since you can get your hands on those with ISK it's largely the same). The fact remains: you're paying to bypass core game mechanics. That's makes it an inherently horrible idea that belongs in a fucktarded P2W Facebook game.
He he .. but if your holy EVE has so strong and good core game mechanics why the heck can't I use my Bombs in HighSec ? Why can I change my outlook but not my attributes (except with 365-days cooldown) ? Because of pure arbitrariness. There is no logical reason why bombs don't work in high sec. This is a game and not RL. And if I as a customer want to buy SP or another remap instead of some cosmetic changes, then hell why not ? CCP earns money, they can afford devs and maybe some better servers and so it's a win/win situation. *shrug* Nobody would force you to parcitipate, so why do you care ? YOU CANNOT HAVE MY STUFF!!!! |

Merouk Baas
307
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:17:00 -
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No, he's right; if we could remap at any time, then it would just mean extra clicks before training each skill. The same effect can be achieved if they give everybody max attributes, or rather max sp/hr and remove the attributes.
IMO also implants are a deterrent to PVP for quite a lot of high-sec players. I'd be for removing attribute implants (and just having effect implants - hardwirings etc).
But, shrug, it's a bunch of work that CCP has to do, and the effect on us is "same training speed as before", so what's the point.
EDIT: Tippia, we do train all skills at max speed all the time, it's just the lack of remaps force us into long 1-year stretches of being frustrated at not being able to train a skill we like. It's currently Int/Mem, then Per/Wil, then Int/Mem, then Per/Wil again, and really if they wanted to keep Leadership skills slow like now they could up the skill ranks. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
11118
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:22:00 -
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Abu Tarynnia wrote:He he .. but if your holy EVE has so strong and good core game mechanics why the heck can't I use my Bombs in HighSec ? False dichotomy. One does not contradict the other.
Quote:Why can I change my outlook but not my attributes (except with 365-days cooldown) ? Because you can change your attributes and because your appearance is completely irrelevant.
Quote:And if I as a customer want to buy SP or another remap instead of some cosmetic changes, then hell why not ? CCP earns money, they can afford devs and maybe some better servers and so it's a win/win situation. Because the last time they tried, they lost some 10-20% of their customer base and, soon thereafter, had to lay off 20% of their staff, and they realised that when people said GÇ£No ******* wayGÇ¥ the first time, they meant it. So no, CCP loses money; they lose devs; in fact, everyone loses.
P2W is not consistent with how EVE could or should ever work. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

baltec1
Bat Country
4544
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:24:00 -
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I just set everything to the same level. Infact I belive I have once again forgotten to add another skill... |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1216
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:25:00 -
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Abu Tarynnia wrote:Tippia wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?! You are. It doesn't matter if it's PLEX or ISK (if anything, it's even worse if it's PLEX, but since you can get your hands on those with ISK it's largely the same). The fact remains: you're paying to bypass core game mechanics. That's makes it an inherently horrible idea that belongs in a fucktarded P2W Facebook game. He he .. but if your holy EVE has so strong and good core game mechanics why the heck can't I use my Bombs in HighSec ? Why can I change my outlook but not my attributes (except with 365-days cooldown) ? Because of pure arbitrariness. There is no logical reason why bombs don't work in high sec. This is a game and not RL. And if I as a customer want to buy SP or another remap instead of some cosmetic changes, then hell why not ? CCP earns money, they can afford devs and maybe some better servers and so it's a win/win situation. *shrug* Nobody would force you to parcitipate, so why do you care ? I can answer this
It is that real life money that is talked about in this thread.
Sure you want to pay it but a lot more people will stop paying it to CCP if they allow you to pay it.
Most of us do not want a pay to win game and hell why would we.
After some people have played 10 years and some are just getting to 200 million SP why would they want to continue if you can get to that same achievement with a credit card? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Abu Tarynnia
Abu Tarynnia Corporation
35
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:34:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:Tippia wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?! You are. It doesn't matter if it's PLEX or ISK (if anything, it's even worse if it's PLEX, but since you can get your hands on those with ISK it's largely the same). The fact remains: you're paying to bypass core game mechanics. That's makes it an inherently horrible idea that belongs in a fucktarded P2W Facebook game. He he .. but if your holy EVE has so strong and good core game mechanics why the heck can't I use my Bombs in HighSec ? Why can I change my outlook but not my attributes (except with 365-days cooldown) ? Because of pure arbitrariness. There is no logical reason why bombs don't work in high sec. This is a game and not RL. And if I as a customer want to buy SP or another remap instead of some cosmetic changes, then hell why not ? CCP earns money, they can afford devs and maybe some better servers and so it's a win/win situation. *shrug* Nobody would force you to parcitipate, so why do you care ? I can answer this It is that real life money that is talked about in this thread. Sure you want to pay it but a lot more people will stop paying it to CCP if they allow you to pay it. Most of us do not want a pay to win game and hell why would we. After some people have played 10 years and some are just getting to 200 million SP why would they want to continue if you can get to that same achievement with a credit card?
Money rulez the world .. real as well as virtuell.
YOU CANNOT HAVE MY STUFF!!!! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
11119
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:35:00 -
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Abu Tarynnia wrote:Money rulez the world .. real as well as virtuell. GǪand that is why P2W won't happen in EVE no matter how much you'd like it to: because the money has already spoken, and has said a very definitive GǣnoGǥ.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1218
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:Money rulez the world .. real as well as virtuell. GǪand that is why P2W won't happen in EVE no matter how much you'd like it to: because the money has already spoken, and has said a very definitive GǣnoGǥ. Something very weird is happening for me to be agreeing with you.
But the money of the 400k plus players have already spoken and said we will not tolerate play to win. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Merouk Baas
307
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:43:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:we will not tolerate play to win.
You mean PAY to win, right? Cause I sure am playing to win.
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Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:DANG! where does it say remove attributes in my post? Remapping should be active at anytime, Here: GÇ£In fact, Remaps should not exist. It should be a + and - choice at anytime while your skills are paused. - You should be free to remap your attributes at anytime. My body, my clone, my attributes, my choice.GÇ¥ Attributes are a game mechanic put into the game to ensure that you cannot train any and all skills at max speed at the same time or at any time you want. What you're suggesting is this mechanic is changed so that you can train any and all skills at max speed any time you want. In other words, you are asking for the functional removal of attributes as a game mechanic.
I dont agree with OP, but he didnt asked for removal of attributes. I know its a hobby of yours, but stop putting words into someone's elses mouth. Its getting painfully obvious now.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
11119
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:51:00 -
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Pandora Barzane wrote:I dont agree with OP, but he didnt asked for removal of attributes. GǪapart from in the section quoted, where he did exactly that. It's not really putting words in someone's mouth if the words came out of that mouth, now is it? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1219
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:54:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:Frying Doom wrote:we will not tolerate play to win. You mean PAY to win, right? Cause I sure am playing to win. Sorry my mistake, very late in my TZ lol
Would be a good one though imagine the marketing.
You can buy this game but you can not play it, no play to win here  Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
810
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:56:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Remaps should be an item in the market like anything else you can make, sell or buy. EVE is not about limitation, it is about expansion. We should be able to buy as many as needed. I see no problem controlling your implants anytime you want to learn with another attribute. After all it is your body, you should control it.
Why are we limited to just one a year?
Thx, DEFIER.
This post just begs for a dislike system. Not gone happen I know, still would be nice for future reference. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |

Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Pandora Barzane wrote:I dont agree with OP, but he didnt asked for removal of attributes. GǪapart from in the section quoted, where he did exactly that. It's not really putting words in someone's mouth if the words came out of that mouth, now is it?
and here you do it again. wow youre really good at this.
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DEFIER ORILIS
DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT
36
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Posted - 2012.12.28 16:04:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Remaps should be an item in the market like anything else you can make, sell or buy. EVE is not about limitation, it is about expansion. We should be able to buy as many as needed. I see no problem controlling your implants anytime you want to learn with another attribute. After all it is your body, you should control it.
Why are we limited to just one a year?
Thx, DEFIER. This post just begs for a dislike system. Not gone happen I know, still would be nice for future reference.
Dang! Why is that, I was just asking a question about remaps. |
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