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DEFIER ORILIS
DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:50:00 -
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Remaps should be an item in the market like anything else you can make, sell or buy. EVE is not about limitation, it is about expansion. We should be able to buy as many as needed. I see no problem controlling your implants anytime you want to learn with another attribute. After all it is your body, you should control it.
Why are we limited to just one a year?
Thx, DEFIER. |

Slumpert
Hookers and Quafe
5
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:59:00 -
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It is not your body it is CCPs and they can control just how badly you mangle it at will.
Course I have 3 bonus remaps because I stick to a training plan.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1028
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:01:00 -
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From a roleplay/lore perspective, the reason that attributes and remaps are limited based on time is because constantly mucking around your head and changing fairly fundamental aspects of who you are is dangerous and can have strange effects, necessitating a certain amount of "realigning" between remaps to make sure that all the pieces of your fractured psyche have settled back into place.
Stick in something to reflect this and I will be all for it. |

Ayumi Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:03:00 -
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Posting in a obvious "EVE should be pay to win" thread...
You MUST be a goon or goon spi... Obvious alt is obvious... |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1212
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:07:00 -
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I always thought the "Why can't I just buy SP" threads were funnier Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:10:00 -
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Sounds like a good idea. You could maybe make it a limited use item with a cool down. Instead of remapping anytime it would have its own timer with a 3 month cool down. With the standerd remap and the items it would allow 5 remaps a year if planned correctly.
CCP asked about what items we would like to see in the Concord LP store and I think this would be a good one. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
11108
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:13:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Why are we limited to just one a year? Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices.
Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

DEFIER ORILIS
DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT
35
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:15:00 -
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Ayumi Nevinyrall wrote:Posting in a obvious "EVE should be pay to win" thread...
You MUST be a goon or goon spi...
I am no dang spy. I just want my cookie, I have been good this year.
Actually, I think remaps should be free and part of a skill training system. How about a skill that free? |

Dave stark
1155
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:15:00 -
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remaps for plex! "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3029
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:16:00 -
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Bad idea.
Altering the parameters of SP training should be something requiring thought and meaningful decisons.
This is just yet another plea for self-entitlement satisfaction and placation. -áGÇ£Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.GÇ¥ - Oscar Wilde |

DEFIER ORILIS
DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT
36
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Why are we limited to just one a year? Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices. Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that.
Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
11109
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:18:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Actually, I think remaps should be free and part of a skill training system. You mean just like now? Yes, I agree: no change needed, since there's no problem that needs to be solved to begin with.
Quote:Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not! You mean the second most common attribute combination, which is good forGǪ ohGǪ about 6 years worth of training? Yes, it is indeed great. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

Dave stark
1155
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:18:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Tippia wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Why are we limited to just one a year? Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices. Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that. Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not!
nothing stops you adding other skills to the queue. you just train them slower as a drawback for being able to train per/will skills faster.
if it's really an issue some skills train faster than others just distribute your attributes equally like when you make a new character. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |

Abu Tarynnia
Abu Tarynnia Corporation
35
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:19:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I always thought the "Why can't I just buy SP" threads were funnier 
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Tippia wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Why are we limited to just one a year? Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices. Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully.
And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ? This is EVE the ultimate nightmare of all soviets, communists and socialists. Its capitalistic at its very core. I can buy another look, I can buy even other chars ... so why in hell not a remap or even SP ?! I have RL money, I can buy plex so I also want to buy SP/remaps what ever! And by choosing the wrong path in the beginning e.g. being a miner .. I am totally screwed when those bumbers and those blackmailers come .. because I already invested some million SP in the 'wrong' skills. Do I have to build up a new char (which won't last long against the others because they always will have more SP then me) just to compete ?! IF Eve was the game where I can do what I want then everything should be tradable .. remaps as well as SP. YOU CANNOT HAVE MY STUFF!!!! |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3029
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:20:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Tippia wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Why are we limited to just one a year? Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices. Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that. Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not!
Actually, that's the exact plan I'm 18 months into. Remap....waiting in the wings. -áGÇ£Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.GÇ¥ - Oscar Wilde |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
11109
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:21:00 -
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Abu Tarynnia wrote:And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ? Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game.
If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3029
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:23:00 -
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Abu Tarynnia wrote: And by choosing the wrong path in the beginning e.g. being a miner .. I am totally screwed when those bumbers and those blackmailers come .. because I already invested some million SP in the 'wrong' skills. Do I have to build up a new char (which won't last long against the others because they always will have more SP then me) just to compete ?! IF Eve was the game where I can do what I want then everything should be tradable .. remaps as well as SP.
No. You want a game with absolutely no consequences that only feeds your need to have whatever you ask for. Games do not work like that, neither does RL.
Again, more proof we live in the Age of Self-Entitlement Run Amok.
Edit correction: Well, RL can work that way if you are a billionaire.....which actually ties into the issue as to why this is a bad idea in this game with Trillionaires. -áGÇ£Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.GÇ¥ - Oscar Wilde |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1214
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:26:00 -
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Abu Tarynnia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I always thought the "Why can't I just buy SP" threads were funnier  and Tippia wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Why are we limited to just one a year? Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices. Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully. And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ? This is EVE the ultimate nightmare of all soviets, communists and socialists. Its capitalistic at its very core. I can buy another look, I can buy even other chars ... so why in hell not a remap or even SP ?! I have RL money, I can buy plex so I also want to buy SP/remaps what ever! And by choosing the wrong path in the beginning e.g. being a miner .. I am totally screwed when those bumbers and those blackmailers come .. because I already invested some million SP in the 'wrong' skills. Do I have to build up a new char (which won't last long against the others because they always will have more SP then me) just to compete ?! IF Eve was the game where I can do what I want then everything should be tradable .. remaps as well as SP. Would you like to ba able to buy a big "I Win" button as well.
This is the basis of the game it is what makes it meaningful, if you could just buy everything nothing would have any meaning. why stick at this game long haul when I can go out buy 20 characters and train them instantly to fly dreads link them together and go smash a sov system, but oh the sov holders attack but that's ok I have my credit card so i will bid in an auction to kill them all and take the region for myself.
Capitalism at work and the ability to make the game complete crap. I would give this game up tomorrow if he who had the most cash won. It is a game for patience not for cash.
Go use your cash and get some lessons in patience. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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DEFIER ORILIS
DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT
36
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ? Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game. If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please.
EVE is about Freedom of choice. It is build for me to do whatever I want! Therefore, I should be able to change my remaps as many times as I want. That's my EVE rights. |

De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
654
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:27:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Tippia wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Why are we limited to just one a year? Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices. Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that. Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not!
When you have Titan 5 in all four races, you can complain about Perception/Willpower being a useless remap. Until then, STFU. Bumping, leave it alone. |

De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
654
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ? Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game. If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please.
I'd like to pay to circumvent all the fitting restrictions. Doomsday rookie ships FTW. Bumping, leave it alone. |

DEFIER ORILIS
DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT
36
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:31:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Tippia wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Why are we limited to just one a year? Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices. Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that. Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not! When you have Titan 5 in all four races, you can complain about Perception/Willpower being a useless remap. Until then, STFU.
DANG! You are my inspiration. Can I be in your corp now that you have Titan 5 in all four races, We will win together. Thx for your great post. |

De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
654
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:33:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Tippia wrote:DEFIER ORILIS wrote:Why are we limited to just one a year? Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices. Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that. Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not! When you have Titan 5 in all four races, you can complain about Perception/Willpower being a useless remap. Until then, STFU. DANG! You are my inspiration. Can I be in your corp now that you have Titan 5 in all four races, We will win together. Thx for your great post.
No, you can't. your hair looks very greasy, and we don't allow that kind of thing.
Am i doing this trolling thing right? Sometimes I can't tell. Bumping, leave it alone. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3108
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:40:00 -
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Quote:No, you can't. your hair looks very greasy, and we don't allow that kind of thing.
Am i doing this trolling thing right? Sometimes I can't tell
You're doing fine, better than he is actually. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Abu Tarynnia
Abu Tarynnia Corporation
35
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ? Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game. If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please.
I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?! And besides .. what do game mechanics and remaps have to do with eachother ? All I say is let me pay PLEX for remap or for a bunch of SP ... this shouldn't have a great impact on the game as changing the mechanics of the game. YOU CANNOT HAVE MY STUFF!!!! |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1214
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:45:00 -
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Abu Tarynnia wrote:Tippia wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ? Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game. If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please. I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?! You can buy Plex with RL money and also isk.
So same thing really. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
690
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:48:00 -
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DEFIER ORILIS wrote:EVE is not about limitation, it is about expansion.
No eve is about choices and their consequences ....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Abu Tarynnia
Abu Tarynnia Corporation
35
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:49:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:Tippia wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ? Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game. If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please. I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?! You can buy Plex with RL money and also isk. So same thing really.
Nope because in order to buy them with ISK someone has buy them with RL money .. they just don't fly in from hyperspace. So PLEX = RL money. ISK != RL money. For RL money I should be able to pimp my char. YOU CANNOT HAVE MY STUFF!!!! |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
1504
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:50:00 -
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You can already buy characters with isk
I like the planning, limitations and decision-making involved in character training process. Because of that I can feel satisfaction for my characters :)
I tried to remove this sig. |

Abu Tarynnia
Abu Tarynnia Corporation
35
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Posted - 2012.12.28 14:52:00 -
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Roime wrote:You can already buy characters with isk
I like the planning, limitations and decision-making involved in character training process. Because of that I can feel satisfaction for my characters :)
I don't want to buy Chars with ISK I want to buy SP / remaps with RL-money e.g. PLEX YOU CANNOT HAVE MY STUFF!!!! |
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