game design

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What's stopping you?

You still don't understand that lowsec has pretty much just as many slots as hisec, and npc null ain't too bad either.

I say let them sleep in the bed they made.

You still don't understand that lowsec has pretty much just as many slots as hisec, and npc null ain't too bad either.

and those slots are of the SAME quality as the highsec slots

there is NO reason to do ANYTHING in lowsec that can also be done in highsec

If jump freighters didn't exist, it might have worked if all the coalitions agreed not to sell to high sec, but since they do and allow to completely bypass any gate camps setup by pirates, in wich normal ships have to use to travel from system to system, i'd say your idea comes way to late at this point in the game when it's aproaching it's 10th year of existance.



There are hundreds if not thousands of players with hundreds of billions in isk and assets in game, so changes like that would only affect the newer players and not those that are already well established isk wise.

For us 0.0 residents who blame all things bad on carebears, we must realize that we do this to ourselves. Hisec in its current form could not exist without our blessings, and decisions to make their lives so convenient and fruitful. Most tech 2 manufacturing and even large ship manufacturing takes place in empire, yet the amount of megacyte, morphite and zydrine required to make this possible ALL must come from nullsec. Every single t2 material that exists must be harvested and processed outside of hisec. So why do we all ferry our goods straight to the carebear capital in Jita?

We know why we do. Because everyone else does, and that's where buyers go. Sensible, logical, and efficient. Now consider this proposal. All nullsec/lowsec organizations who have an interest in making null more active shall flat out refuse to sell anything in any hisec system for at least 3 months. Put it up in a lowsec npc nullsec system near your home for around Jita prices. If one or two small corps do this, it's almost meaningless. But if one of the supercoalitions could see the potential of this change in habits, the results would be awesome for us, and ****** for hisec players.

The outcomes I see would be all good:
Lowsec and NPCNull Trade hubs around the borders of 0.0 would spring to life, presenting trade opportunities to fill the eternal demand of t2 materials in jita.

Pirates notice these trade hubs, and do their thing, possibly decreasing the supply of materials even further, through item destruction. Even better isk for the producer of said goods.

Nullsec denizens save on jump fuel from trying to clear the whole universe just to get to jita and sell to a trade bots buy orders.

Smart cookies start interregional trading routes, balancing out these lowsec/null trade hubs with materials from each major part of space, making the availablity rival jita, and closer to the outer edges of empire, moving production away from The Forge slowly but surely.

0.0 industry fixed
lowsec populated
risk vs reward realized.
delicious tears from the true carebears.

only problem i can think of is getting the supercoalitions to agree on something.

And people might be willing to risk part of those hundreds of billions of isk if there is a reason too.

Indeed, and currently there isn't wich is something i've been complaining about fairly often since i started in 2003 and have done it all, though i suppose i went to null from late 2003 to 2006 to primarily make isk and not so much shoot people unless they kept me from making isk....


The biggest single things that ruined it in null space comes down to 3 things:


1: The release of lvl 4 missions in high sec, wich many seasoned pilots from those days moved back to empire to do those since it's possible to make 25 million an hour, even if it's boring and pretty repetitive once you know all the missions.

2: The availability of incursions in high sec empire wich pay even more than lvl 4 missions do, even if they are harder and require a team to do them where there's at least 2 logistics ships for armor and/or shield repping the damage dealers in tthe group.

3: The introduction of plexes where players can essentially buy them from CCP and sell them on the market, potentially making billions depending on just how many they buy off CCP.....This last one is getting pretty close to pay to win in my book and i wouldn't be surprised if sometime down the line CCP even introduces offers for skill point packs.


When i was in 0.0, none of the above existed and regardless if the pilot was there to make isk or participate in CTA's for defensive or offensive operations or just roaming gangs destroying whatever comes in their path, they still had to be there anyhow because doing anything in high sec empire back then payed like crap by comparison.

And look at all the pretty wars we had back then.

Put it up in a lowsec npc nullsec system near your home for around Jita prices.

OR

you could eat a **** sandwich and Ill get my megacyte from wspace. You know, the place most nullbears are scared of because of no local.

OR

you could eat a **** sandwich and Ill get my megacyte from wspace. You know, the place most nullbears are scared of because of no local.

Boycott hisec, I am begging you. Mission runners will be making half a bil an hour on one account.

buffing null equals nerfing other areas, this argument is stupid

Is absolutely everything a zero-sum game?

been in over half of w-space systems, never lost a ship

The point I was getting at is that it ought to be possible to enhance certain aspects of the mechanics of the game economy without it necessarily be a nerf elsewhere.

Or, what's gained from a 'buff' and lost from a 'nerf' balances out to something greater than zero, i.e. the overall state of the game has been enhanced.

I don't think mechanics that result in enhancements/gains to the null-sec economy/markets/production need necessarily dictate that precisely an exact amount of loss will occur elsewhere (e.g. high-sec).

Thanks for the cliche though.

Wspace is safest space.

Indeed, and currently there isn't wich is something i've been complaining about fairly often since i started in 2003 and have done it all, though i suppose i went to null from late 2003 to 2006 to primarily make isk and not so much shoot people unless they kept me from making isk....


The biggest single things that ruined it in null space comes down to 3 things:


1: The release of lvl 4 missions in high sec, wich many seasoned pilots from those days moved back to empire to do those since it's possible to make 25 million an hour, even if it's boring and pretty repetitive once you know all the missions.

2: The availability of incursions in high sec empire wich pay even more than lvl 4 missions do, even if they are harder and require a team to do them where there's at least 2 logistics ships for armor and/or shield repping the damage dealers in tthe group.

3: The introduction of plexes where players can essentially buy them from CCP and sell them on the market, potentially making billions depending on just how many they buy off CCP.....This last one is getting pretty close to pay to win in my book and i wouldn't be surprised if sometime down the line CCP even introduces offers for skill point packs.


When i was in 0.0, none of the above existed and regardless if the pilot was there to make isk or participate in CTA's for defensive or offensive operations or just roaming gangs destroying whatever comes in their path, they still had to be there anyhow because doing anything in high sec empire back then payed like crap by comparison.

It's not a bad idea but I can't see you getting it done. Even if you did manage to get all the major coalitions to agree to it, prices would inevitably start to rise in high sec, you're right but at some point you are going to get null industrialists who decide to take advantage of the massive profits to be had in high and all you need is likely to be a cyno alt, easily attainable even with high sec only resources.

I like your plan but I just don't see it happening, that first hurdle is roughly the height of a skyscraper and if you do manage to clear it some greedy people will line their own pockets rather than sticking to the plan and as soon as one does it the flood gates will open and we'll be right back where we are now.

Ok easiest way to look at this

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