P.S. why on earth haven't highsecers got together and either a) war decced persons responsible b) pooled money and hired mercs to shoot back at goons?

Either way there are some very competent pilots in highsec who could easily make life very difficult for the attackers.

Current "fun" being enjoyed by a limited number of 0.0 alliances on empire players is consistently and maliciously interfering with the game experience for others.

Is the "at our discretion" statement the mitigating factor?

Frankly, spreading nasty rumors about players, like that TheMittani runs a kitten adoption agency and is secretly a big softy and just pretends to be all goony so his other goonies don't find out, that''s just part of the game.

It-¦s not personal and they won-¦t stop you from ice mining. I bet you can happily mine ice in Amarr space without people consistently and maliciously interfering with it.

I rule out the economic argument as total BS. Alway have.

Firstly, the G**N's campaign would have cost 100's of millions, if not billions of isk. The amount of ice needed to be sold to get that back would be staggering.

Secondly, 0.0 POS holders will simply change towers. Sure Gallente towers have moongoo bonuses but it just means more work in the short term. Last 0.0 corp I was in we had 3 months supply on hand. Minor blip. Thus no immediate or short term market for Gallente ice. (most price changes have been speculators)

Lastly, all empire POS holders can just change faction. Again, no market for Gallente ice.

Other reasons?
Restricting Oxy using cap fuels may have a strategic effect but only if the G**N's campaign was sustained for the long term AND they had a view to invade someone. Both is unlikely.

Lastly, all empire POS holders can just change faction. Again, no market for Gallente ice.

I would be very excited if all the players in Empire, united and rised up to respond to nullsec players such as the Goons. It won't happen though and sucks to be those who have spammed towers on literally every moon in empire.

the pinnacle of griefing is the eula lawyer threads, once you get those you know you done good

you gotta be pretty :smug: about how your baby is playing out

Lose a hulk recently?

When it is co-ordinated and malicious yes imo. I'm asking the question tbh. Is it or should it be?

It's not random ganks, it's not war-decs and nor is it 0 v 0 gudfites.

It is DELIBERATELY and CONSISTENTLY interfering with the average empire players enjoyment of the game.

As a G**N, I'm surprised you haven't said "Yes, that's what we do..."

I <3 user generated content and all these forum threads. How many do we have devoted to this now?

Since everyone knows that goons are shrieking brain-damaged baboons with the attention span of a mayfly on meth, I'm sure it shouldn't prove a problem for the intelligent, thoughtful, mature and well-adjusted inhabitants of hi-sec to out-think and out-organise them.

I'm pretty sure that you've misread the history here. Goons are shrieking brain-damaged baboons who have managed to out-recruit, out-maneuver, out-fight and just plain out-survive everything EvE can throw at them. Goons are like a force of nature. Hunker down and hope they get distracted by something shiny.

I hear ya and agree on most points but it's this very fine line between "legitimate griefing" and "outright bullying" that I am trying to define. When does repeated and specific aggression against a very small player band become griefing?

What I am seeing is a lot of "single person" references in the replies and we're really down to thumbtacks here. It's a specific type of player in a specific area. It is consistent in that those players who might "normally" fly said ship in said area are being denied the right/ability to do so. Sure they could go do "something else" but so could anyone else being "griefed"...

More to the point is that a single very large, very financial 0.0 enitity can remove the entire spirit of the "relative safety of empire" (I'll accept the finger smacking on this point) for a gain that is described as "economic" when it's fair to say they just want shitz and gigglez.

This is NOT a G**N bash by any means but please take into account that NO other alliance/coalition practices this behaviour.

Tolerated by CCP it may be but by my definition, this unadulterated bullying needs to be reigned in. I'm not asking for "fair" (it's Eve) but there is simply no counter.

And when there is no counter - it's a poor game mechanic.

Yeah, and everyone that owns an Erebus would just switch to a different titan. Everyone that owns a Nyx would switch to another supercarrier. Everyone that owns a Rorqual would just use an Orca. Right?

Yeah, stop pretending to have a clue about what the **** you're talking about.