Nah, Apostle is just a one issue wonk, hates goons and is very likely Riverini of EveNews24 posting under a sock puppet account.

However, It is nice to see all these blubbering crybaby threads talking about how the big bad goonies blew up your ice miner bots, though. Keep it up, it's delicious forum pornography.

~ Your rage inspires us to greatness. ~

I rule out the economic argument as total BS. Alway have.

Firstly, the G**N's campaign would have cost 100's of millions, if not billions of isk. The amount of ice needed to be sold to get that back would be staggering.

Secondly, 0.0 POS holders will simply change towers. Sure Gallente towers have moongoo bonuses but it just means more work in the short term. Last 0.0 corp I was in we had 3 months supply on hand. Minor blip. Thus no immediate or short term market for Gallente ice. (most price changes have been speculators)

Lastly, all empire POS holders can just change faction. Again, no market for Gallente ice.

Other reasons?
Restricting Oxy using cap fuels may have a strategic effect but only if the G**N's campaign was sustained for the long term AND they had a view to invade someone. Both is unlikely.

ITT: One Empire pubbie tries to claim "ALL OF HIGH SECURITY" = Gallente ice fields. Am I close?

And I'd love to meet the guy that could plan a campaign where "10k-20k" nullsec dwellers could shut down all of Empire, cause I would KILL (ingame, ofc) to be in on that.

I am sure that with the amount of speculation and increase in isk prices, significantly more isk worth of isotopes has been moving, allowing both the average goonie, the alliance as a whole, and much of eve that had some level of intelligence to make a killing on this.

I was only able to make about 250mil, because I was late, lazy and only kept it up for one eveningGǪ

GǪthey need to do this more often and when I'm in the mood for baby-sitting market orders. It's pure griefing that they did it when I wasn't ready!!

[quote=Demon Azrakel It's pure griefing that they did it when I wasn't ready!!

Strangely enough, you have both added to why I am concerned that there is no way to prevent this.

If G**N's can do it now (regardless of how poorly executed it is), what IS to stop 0.0 alliances stomping empire into wrecks? No precedent is being (or likely to be) set insofar as establishing a ruling on it.

And this remains my point of contention. Empire is NOT supposed to be a stomping ground or Thunderdome per se. If it were (as many claim it is/should be) then there would be no need for Concord and no sec status hits for aggression. There is no cry for "safety" here, just a precautionary note as to lack of action against Empire stomping.

If it is allowed (and encouraged) at n degree when do we decalare it has become m degree and intolerable?

When it's NOT G**N's doing it?

What if all of 0.0 did decide to "muscle up"? Is it still acceptable if not even a single empire player could effectively play anywhere!?

It's fine to say CCP has spoken, but if so, why do we need sov chages, cap nerfs, ad infinitum when 0.0 residents say so? They scream broken mechanics and tickety boo, it's fixed.

I'm wearing an empire advocate hat and I'm asking that we need CCP to put in place measures to PREVENT Empire stomping by 0.0 alliances. A precedent needs to be set and this current "op" is a great example.

The intent of Empire is NOT to smash everyone and everything into the ground. But it's happening and there is nothing to prevent it happening on a much larger scale.

The real problem here isn't that they're blowing up mining ships. Eve is a PvP game, and so this should happen. However, there is nothing the empire players can do back to the Goons. When only one side can blow up the other side's ships, there's a problem.

If miners fight back, they lose sec status. Goons don't care about Sec status, so they don't care if they get popped by concord. The game is in the goons favor, it's a flawed mechanic. Sec status, which was intended to be a deterrent for high sec killing is now a barrier working in favor of the goons.

I'm not biased in this debate since I don't mine at all, nor have I ever been popped by another player, I'm simply pointing out a flawed and stupid game mechanic. If I could fight and defend those miners from these baboons, I would, but since I need to worry about my sec status I cannot. Something needs to change.

Nope, I shouldn't have to wait for them to fire on a miner to defend them. The game is still playing in the goons favor.

And I suppose they could o to low sec... but then again not everyone is a war mongering buffoon looking to get into a fight.

Once the gankers drop below -5.0 they can be attacked with impunity by anyone at any time.

War deccing costs money, and I shouldn't have to pull my entire corp into something they don't want to do.

I wish, then they biomass/move them to low sec and start another alt. =X

I wish, then they biomass/move them to low sec and start another alt. =X

Nope, I shouldn't have to wait for them to fire on a miner to defend them. The game is still playing in the goons favor.

And I suppose they could o to low sec... but then again not everyone is a war mongering buffoon looking to get into a fight.

The real problem here isn't that they're blowing up mining ships. Eve is a PvP game, and so this should happen. However, there is nothing the empire players can do back to the Goons. When only one side can blow up the other side's ships, there's a problem.

If miners fight back, they lose sec status. Goons don't care about Sec status, so they don't care if they get popped by concord. The game is in the goons favor, it's a flawed mechanic. Sec status, which was intended to be a deterrent for high sec killing is now a barrier working in favor of the goons.

I'm not biased in this debate since I don't mine at all, nor have I ever been popped by another player, I'm simply pointing out a flawed and stupid game mechanic. If I could fight and defend those miners from these baboons, I would, but since I need to worry about my sec status I cannot. Something needs to change.

I wish, then they biomass/move them to low sec and start another alt. =X

I wish, then they biomass/move them to low sec and start another alt. =X

There's this thing called an edit button, or are you too stupid to use it? Oh.... right... Goon.

And no I don't want to quit, this stupid grief war the goons are doing has no effect whatsoever on me. I just want to defend those who can't defend themselves.

And lol, fitting T1 ships costs money? XD Pocket change.

Arguing with you dumb asses is pointless, it sucks that not even simple concepts can be grasped by you. So go ahead and act like pussies fighting against those who can't fight back. I'll be sure to look into you Weas.

I wish, then they biomass/move them to low sec and start another alt. =X

Arguing with you dumb asses is pointless, it sucks that not even simple concepts can be grasped by me. So I'll go ahead quit posting like a ***** who can't be bothered to work, just wants the game changed when I don't like it. I'll be sure to look into you Weas.