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Dave stark
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:35:00 -
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Barakach wrote:I have a char with: BC V Amarr C V Caldari C V Gal C IV Min C V
Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough?
if you have all the frigate skills at IV or higher, definitely. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Skurga
Cooperative Industries Corium Fission
9
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:38:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Barakach wrote:I have a char with: BC V Amarr C V Caldari C V Gal C IV Min C V
Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough? if you have all the frigate skills at IV or higher, definitely.
He has...you aren't able to train racial BC without racial Frig to at least lvl 4. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis R.E.P.O.
117
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:39:00 -
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The new prophecy is sexy. |
Barakach
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:59:00 -
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Skurga wrote:Dave stark wrote:Barakach wrote:I have a char with: BC V Amarr C V Caldari C V Gal C IV Min C V
Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough? if you have all the frigate skills at IV or higher, definitely. He has...you aren't able to train racial BC without racial Frig to at least lvl 4.
Yeah, they're all at 5
I hope I have time to train some.
edit: I got a bit turned around when reading lots of different posts on this topic. When is this going live? All I can find is a Dev from last year saying there is no release date. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis R.E.P.O.
118
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:08:00 -
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There is still no release date to my mind, especially because there's no announced date for this on the testing server. Dessy 5 is quick anyway. |
Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
70
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:19:00 -
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Freighdee Katt wrote:Glathull wrote:I guess I'll bump this instead of creating a new thread. There's a potential for a large number of people to wake up after this skill change and suddenly have as much as 6 mill additional SP. That would easily bump many people into a new clone bracket. Whenever this change hits, the day after is going to be a glorious day for tears. The really blissful part will happen when people get all excited about all that "free" SP they got, then undock and lose a big chunk of it because they forget to update the clone and get ganked.
Bingo. I'm going to have to remember to dock up in a station with medical facility the night before this goes live. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
943
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Posted - 2013.01.11 06:06:00 -
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Barakach wrote:When is this going live?
We finally have something more definitive:
CCP Fozzie wrote:Are the Battlecruiser skills being split into racial version at the same time as these changes?We have been planning to split the Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills into racial variations ( Details can be found in CCP Ytterbium's dev blog here) for a while, but we've been vague about the when. Originally I had hoped to get the changes into this point release, but we've seen an opportunity to both build better tools to help players understand the changes (communicating the mechanics involved is something we could have done better so far) and also combine the skill changes with some other adjustments that fit together well. So I now have permission to let you all know that the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013 (which most of you know tends to fall in the late spring). We'll be working to make sure that as many people as possible understand the changes beforehand. I know that some of you may feel that we've been stringing you guys along since the changes were first proposed so long ago, but we're working to make sure a huge change like this is done in the most responsible way possible. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. |
Skurga
Cooperative Industries Corium Fission
10
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Posted - 2013.01.11 09:11:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Barakach wrote:When is this going live? We finally have something more definitive: CCP Fozzie wrote:Are the Battlecruiser skills being split into racial version at the same time as these changes?We have been planning to split the Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills into racial variations ( Details can be found in CCP Ytterbium's dev blog here) for a while, but we've been vague about the when. Originally I had hoped to get the changes into this point release, but we've seen an opportunity to both build better tools to help players understand the changes (communicating the mechanics involved is something we could have done better so far) and also combine the skill changes with some other adjustments that fit together well. So I now have permission to let you all know that the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013 (which most of you know tends to fall in the late spring). We'll be working to make sure that as many people as possible understand the changes beforehand. I know that some of you may feel that we've been stringing you guys along since the changes were first proposed so long ago, but we're working to make sure a huge change like this is done in the most responsible way possible. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion.
Thanks for the link.
Edits says: Great news, no more time to worry not getting rdy soon enough! |
Pitrolo Orti
State Protectorate Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.01.12 03:09:00 -
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yes u are fine!!! The world was supposed to end and it never happened so we are good!!! Your wallet contains only 110.56 ISK, but you require 405,000,000.00 ISK to complete this operation. |
Rio Bravo
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
6
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Posted - 2013.01.12 03:58:00 -
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Happy to learn only cruiser 3 is necessary. Figured as much, nice to know for sure. |
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Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
357
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:13:00 -
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10 days away, was hoping the change would take place in 11 days so I dont need cruiser IV for BS skills :( |
Sam Korak
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.14 10:10:00 -
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From my knowledge you should focus on getting; Command IV Frigate IV Cruiser III Dessy and BC to the lvl you want to have the racial ones after the split (probably that would mean V) |
Supreme Bashar Atreides
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.15 03:12:00 -
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I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<
I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?
Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
951
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Posted - 2013.01.15 03:38:00 -
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Supreme Bashar Atreides wrote:I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<
I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?
Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already.
Plan for late April. You have time to train. BC 5 should run ~25-30 days. Destroyers 5 is more like a week to 10 days. |
Supreme Bashar Atreides
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.15 04:26:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Supreme Bashar Atreides wrote:I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<
I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?
Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already. Plan for late April. You have time to train. BC 5 should run ~25-30 days. Destroyers 5 is more like a week to 10 days.
Thanks!
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
235
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:36:00 -
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Supreme Bashar Atreides wrote:I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<
I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?
Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already.
For reference, Iceland is in the northern hemisphere. |
Duke Atreus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 00:25:00 -
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So far getting all racial cruisers to 3 and then BC / Destroyer to V...3 new toons is about 45 days oh dear I hope I make it lol. |
Mike Mulder
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:48:00 -
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Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?
As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
746
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:59:00 -
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Mike Mulder wrote:Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?
As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.
Yes |
Baron Dmitri Harkonnen
State War Academy Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:21:00 -
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Mike Mulder wrote:Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?
Yep
Mike Mulder wrote:As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.
Depends on what you plan on flying. Seems worth it you plan on using two or more different races BC / Destroyer. Plus free SP. |
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Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2013.01.31 05:44:00 -
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Mike Mulder wrote:Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?
As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.
Do you like Destroyers and Battlecruisers? Then yes, yes you do. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
438
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Posted - 2013.01.31 16:23:00 -
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Devs have said the skill change will not happen until the battleships get their teiricide pass.
The BC teiricide pass is currently scheduled as part of the update on Feb 12th according to what I have read.
The next big expansion (summer expansion) is currently scheduled for mid May
The current teiricide will most likely be complete before that summer expansion is released, although I seem to recall some thing being said about the battleship teiricide being part of that expansion.
As we get closer to the summer expansion the developers will be working hard on those new features, meaning the stuff they were working on before i.e. T1 teiricide should be done.
The way I see the absolute latest we can expect to see the skill change is in may, Although I personally expect the battleship teiricide patch to come in March. I also expect to see the BC skill change come as part of the battleship teiricide pass.
The Developers have not given us any guarantee's that the skill change will not happen as part of the BC's teiricde pass.
So although starting to train BC5 any time before mid February should get it done in time, there is a chance it is already to late.
I trained destroyer 5 and BC5 on both my combat toons back in oct/nov to make sure I did not miss out. Was it a waste to do it at that time? HELL NO! It is done and out of the way. I am guaranteed to get the benefit from it. With it being so long from the time they told us this was coming, I have even trained BC5 and Dessy5 on my non combat miner/hauler characters, just in case I ever put them in a BC.
If they change happens, and you miss out, you will have nobody to blame but yourself. If you fly BC's, and will actually need the new racial BC skills, there is no reason why you have not already trained it other than you being an OCD idiot. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
438
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Posted - 2013.01.31 16:28:00 -
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Mike Mulder wrote:Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?
As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4. If you don't, being new you will not know what you missed out on for at least 6 months before you have the suport skills to really benifit from BC5, chances are you will only end up flying one or two of the races BC's anyway.
For many many players the only BC they fly is the Drake. But cross training is never a bad idea.
It will be funny if after all this, the developers change the BC's to not have a per level bonus for the BC skill, and there is no benefit to get it to 5. |
Skurga
Cooperative Industries
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Posted - 2013.01.31 16:36:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Devs have said the skill change will not happen until the battleships get their teiricide pass.
The BC teiricide pass is currently scheduled as part of the update on Feb 12th according to what I have read.
The next big expansion (summer expansion) is currently scheduled for mid May
The current teiricide will most likely be complete before that summer expansion is released, although I seem to recall some thing being said about the battleship teiricide being part of that expansion.
As we get closer to the summer expansion the developers will be working hard on those new features, meaning the stuff they were working on before i.e. T1 teiricide should be done.
The way I see the absolute latest we can expect to see the skill change is in may, Although I personally expect the battleship teiricide patch to come in March. I also expect to see the BC skill change come as part of the battleship teiricide pass.
The Developers have not given us any guarantee's that the skill change will not happen as part of the BC's teiricde pass.
So although starting to train BC5 any time before mid February should get it done in time, there is a chance it is already to late.
I trained destroyer 5 and BC5 on both my combat toons back in oct/nov to make sure I did not miss out. Was it a waste to do it at that time? HELL NO! It is done and out of the way. I am guaranteed to get the benefit from it. With it being so long from the time they told us this was coming, I have even trained BC5 and Dessy5 on my non combat miner/hauler characters, just in case I ever put them in a BC.
If they change happens, and you miss out, you will have nobody to blame but yourself. If you fly BC's, and will actually need the new racial BC skills, there is no reason why you have not already trained it other than you being an OCD idiot.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2442879#post2442879
"[...]So I now have permission to let you all know that the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013 (which most of you know tends to fall in the late spring).[...]"
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
438
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:06:00 -
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Yes it was later confirmed to be scheduled for end of May i.e. late spring. First day of Summer is June 21st. First day of Spring is March 20th. But we all know how CCP tends to change things, almost every thing they say more than two months before it happens gets changed. Note the bold underlined part. It says "Is scheduled" not "will happen".
Today is Jan 31st. If the expansion is to be released in May that is 4 months away. The chances of something like this being moved up at some point in the next 4 months is very very good.
2 months ago we were told the BC's teiricide pass would be part of that expansion, along with the battleships, but when things went so well with the cruisers pass they moved it up. Chances are if things go well with the BC pass, battleships may be moved up, possibly along with the skill change.
Moral of the story is... Nothing CCP ever says is written in stone.
If you want to ensure you do not miss out TRAIN IT NOW!! |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
48
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Posted - 2013.01.31 18:43:00 -
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Considering how consciencious CCP has been about giving people a chance to plan for this, I would be extremely surprised if they make this change any earlier than they have committed to. |
Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
82
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Posted - 2013.01.31 19:15:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:Considering how consciencious CCP has been about giving people a chance to plan for this, I would be extremely surprised if they make this change any earlier than they have committed to.
But you have to admit . . . the level of rage on the forums would be un****ing believable if CCP flip flopped on this and pushed it back up before the summer expansion.
I would love to see them pull off an epic troll like that. Even if it did cost me a couple of months of training. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
443
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Posted - 2013.02.03 20:06:00 -
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Glathull wrote:Zor'katar wrote:Considering how consciencious CCP has been about giving people a chance to plan for this, I would be extremely surprised if they make this change any earlier than they have committed to. But you have to admit . . . the level of rage on the forums would be un****ing believable if CCP flip flopped on this and pushed it back up before the summer expansion. I would love to see them pull off an epic troll like that. Even if it did cost me a couple of months of training. So i guess that makes EVE the only game where players will rage about the developers delivering things ahead of schedule. We were told about the skill change 3 months ago, it is not scheduled for another 34 months, If they move it up a month we will still have had 6 months notice to train a skill that takes about 1 month to train. Anyone who would rage about that is not someone I would care about if they rage quit. Do you really have nothing better to complain about a game developer exceeding expectations? Delivering promises ahead of schedule is a good thing. |
Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
143
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Posted - 2013.02.04 15:17:00 -
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Quick question:
- Let's say I have a Per/Will specced alt.
- I train BC V up to 99% finished, taking advantage of the perfectly matching attributes.
- When the patch goes life the invested SP will be refunded and I'll be able to spend them on something else.
- For example Char/Wil leadership skills that aren't worth respeccing for.
- ???
- PROFIT!
Is that an accurate summary? Pain is short, and joy is eternal. |
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus Aeterna Anima
16
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Posted - 2013.02.04 15:25:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote: So i guess that makes EVE the only game where players will rage about the developers delivering things ahead of schedule. We were told about the skill change 3 months ago, it is not scheduled for another 34 months, If they move it up a month we will still have had 6 months notice to train a skill that takes about 1 month to train. Anyone who would rage about that is not someone I would care about if they rage quit. Do you really have nothing better to complain about a game developer exceeding expectations? Delivering promises ahead of schedule is a good thing.
Delivering ahead of schedule is only a good thing if you don't mess up people's plans by implementing half baked AI 'upgrades'. If i didn't have to adapt to that crap i'd have no problem skilling BC V in time.
Now it's cutting things close IF it doesn't come before mid May.
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