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Asskick Mcstompnuts
Wrong Side
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Posted - 2013.01.01 15:22:00 -
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Iam 25 Days from BC V, should i train this, or will the update happen before that? :) |
Skurga
Cooperative Industries Corium Fission
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Posted - 2013.01.01 15:39:00 -
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Asskick Mcstompnuts wrote:Iam 25 Days from BC V, should i train this, or will the update happen before that? :)
Lets have a look into my crystal ball: "Yes, train it, you'll probably be alright." No guarantee, though. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.01.01 16:22:00 -
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GǪbecause the four million threads on the topic GÇö most of them still on page one GÇö weren't enough.
No, you should probably wait. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Frank Millar
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Posted - 2013.01.01 21:08:00 -
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If I didn't have BC V already, I'd probably post threads about it and wait.
Then, when the change goes through, I'd probably post threads about it and whine.
Nice troll, tho. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2013.01.01 21:24:00 -
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I'll get me some popcorn in RL right before the patch with the racial skill split hits. |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.02 03:35:00 -
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If you're asking should you start it today: Yes. The answer to that question will always be yes, until there is an official patch date for the skill change on Tranquility that is less than 25 days from now.
Will 25 days from today be long enough? It seems likely; or at any rate more likely than if you wait until a week from now to start on it. They said in one dev blog back in November, "Start training this skill now. And just to be clear, what we're saying is, you should start training this skill now. As in now. Like, today." Based on that warning, it could happen any time now, and they've already given "fair warning."
I would guess they're going to give one more "last call" dev blog post saying "No, really, we mean it: START TRAINING NAO. If you start today, we guarantee you will be good. If you start tomorrow, all bets are off. Don't come crying to us if you didn't listen and decide to start tomorrow." But that's just my guess, because I think it will take them a bit to roll out all the pieces that have to happen before the skill change, and there will be at least one of those pieces that they will want to blog about at least 30 days before the skill change hitting live, and none of those pieces are on the test server yet. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2013.01.02 03:57:00 -
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So here's a question.
So far with all of the ship rebalances we've had, have there been ANY that were dropped in without any warning? So far I recall each balance patch being preceded by a final dev blog about it. Then a notice that the updated ships will be on the test server. then some time letting final testing play out in our hands. Then the patch.
But I am getting old, and the memory is the first to go.
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18 hours left for BC5 |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2013.01.02 11:50:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:Then, when the change goes through, I'd probably post threads about it and whine.
And the fun thing about it will be all the complaints about "why didn-¦t CCP WARN us in advance about these changes???".
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Seraphim Sovereign
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.01.02 16:24:00 -
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Less than 23 days for it on the 3rd toon on the same account... because sometimes same account alts are useful, and I don't want to train 4x longer later.
I'm assuming its fine until I hear otherwise |
Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
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Posted - 2013.01.04 09:43:00 -
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Just to be clear about the order for new characters who might be starting the whole process now, I think the most effective path is this (in terms of covering your ass and getting the most possible SP after the change):
Spaceship Command to lvl 3 Each race's frigate to lvl 3 Destroyers to lvl 4 Spaceship Command to lvl 4 Each race's frigate to lvl 4 Each race's cruiser to lvl 3 Battlecruisers to lvl 5 Destroyers to lvl 5
I think this is the most efficient for someone starting today to get the most out of the change. I saw someone post on one of the many other threads about getting BC to 5 and then worrying about the cruiser levels. That doesn't make any sense. If you get BC to 5 and have no racial cruisers to 3, you have completely wasted your training time on BC 5 and will get no racial BC skills at all. |
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Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.04 09:51:00 -
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I have 27 days to BCV, just started it up about an hour ago. I don't need anything else in a hurry and if I did I can always pause the training. I decided not to remap and only have +2s in so this is very inefficient of me :( |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.04 14:22:00 -
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Trying to avoid surprizes I've trained all that already. I wonder though what will CCP do to SP already invested in another BC/dessie level, but failing to achieve given level by the time of split. |
Nex apparatu5
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.04 15:10:00 -
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Super spikinator wrote:I have 27 days to BCV, just started it up about an hour ago. I don't need anything else in a hurry and if I did I can always pause the training. I decided not to remap and only have +2s in so this is very inefficient of me :(
Edit: Start training it now, pause it if you run into something you want sooner. When they announce the changes as incoming I would assume they will give somewhere in the realms of 90days notice anyway since it will attached to an expansion rather as a update.
I wouldn't listen to this guy if I were you. They announced it was incoming early 2013, and the next expansion is in summer. Also they announced that you should strongly consider BC V when picking your next skill back in early December. |
Daimar Lavode
Under the I 17
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Posted - 2013.01.04 20:42:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Trying to avoid surprizes I've trained all that already. I wonder though what will CCP do to SP already invested in another BC/dessie level, but failing to achieve given level by the time of split.
My guess, and this is only a wild ass guess, is that they will refund the skill points and let you place them however you choose. So if you are at Destroyers IV + 200,000 into V you will be able to spend 200,000 on any skill you want.
I've got BCV already but am pondering pausing my destroyer training at 4.95% so that I have the possibility of getting the skillpoints to reinvest into charisma related/non-optimal skills that I don't want to train because they're suboptimal but would still find handy to have immediately. If it doesn't work that way and they're restricted to going into a racial destroyer skill then it would be egg on my face but no great loss since I don't see any great need to fly destroyers in the future. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2013.01.04 23:56:00 -
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train it. like 6 months ago. |
Kurfin
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.05 10:56:00 -
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I thought they said they wouldn't split them until the BCs had been reworked, or did I imagine that? If that the case I'd guess March at the earliest. Though to avoid disappointment I'd train it as soon as possible. |
Arkadelphia
Day Trippers
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Posted - 2013.01.05 14:50:00 -
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Wait for what? The racial skill updates this summer or even next winter?(maybe never)...pshhh...
I remember when people used to say train BC V for what it does beneficially for the ship...imo it is equal to a recon V or HAC V train in terms of sheer benefit it gives the ship...
Not because I want extra SP when the time comes...oh well..
All of this is assuming you fly BC regularly..don't train it just to have it...but if you fly it daily then no questions the reason to train is for the benefits of the skill...not what CCP is doing. |
LordSpock
Vherokior Death Squad
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:06:00 -
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Daimar Lavode wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Trying to avoid surprizes I've trained all that already. I wonder though what will CCP do to SP already invested in another BC/dessie level, but failing to achieve given level by the time of split. My guess, and this is only a wild ass guess, is that they will refund the skill points and let you place them however you choose. So if you are at Destroyers IV + 200,000 into V you will be able to spend 200,000 on any skill you want. I've got BCV already but am pondering pausing my destroyer training at 4.95% so that I have the possibility of getting the skillpoints to reinvest into charisma related/non-optimal skills that I don't want to train because they're suboptimal but would still find handy to have immediately. If it doesn't work that way and they're restricted to going into a racial destroyer skill then it would be egg on my face but no great loss since I don't see any great need to fly destroyers in the future.
This is a wild ass guess indeed. It would be needed to overhaul Dictor requirments as well. Someone that is a dedicated 4 race crosstrained dictor pilot would actually lose the ability to fly any of those. As CCP said, if you can fly it now, you can fly it afterwards. |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:33:00 -
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LordSpock wrote:Daimar Lavode wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Trying to avoid surprizes I've trained all that already. I wonder though what will CCP do to SP already invested in another BC/dessie level, but failing to achieve given level by the time of split. My guess, and this is only a wild ass guess, is that they will refund the skill points and let you place them however you choose. So if you are at Destroyers IV + 200,000 into V you will be able to spend 200,000 on any skill you want. I've got BCV already but am pondering pausing my destroyer training at 4.95% so that I have the possibility of getting the skillpoints to reinvest into charisma related/non-optimal skills that I don't want to train because they're suboptimal but would still find handy to have immediately. If it doesn't work that way and they're restricted to going into a racial destroyer skill then it would be egg on my face but no great loss since I don't see any great need to fly destroyers in the future. This is a wild ass guess indeed. It would be needed to overhaul Dictor requirments as well. Someone that is a dedicated 4 race crosstrained dictor pilot would actually lose the ability to fly any of those. As CCP said, if you can fly it now, you can fly it afterwards. He's talking about what happens if a person is only partly trained into a given level of the skill that gets split. Of course he would get Racial Destroyer IV x4 (assuming he had the prereqs to sit in all four races destroyers and already had Dessie IV completely trained).
The question is what happens if he is 99% of the way done on Dessie V when the cutover happens. CCP's promise was that he can fly all dessies at Dessie IV after the patch, just like he could before the patch. Since he hasn't finished Dessie V, and therefore can't fly any destroyer at level V yet, he's only entitled to have the skill cloned at level IV, not level V. The problem is that it's not fair, or consistent with prior changes, to just trash the days or weeks of SP he has put into the partly completed Dessie V. At the same time, it's also arguably not fair, or consistent with CCP's promises about the change, to clone a partly trained level V skill into four partly trained racial level V skills (it might also be hard for them to do, for some obscure technical reason or another).
The obvious (and correct) solution is to refund the SP for the partly trained level ONLY, and to clone the fully trained levels as already stated. This means that only those who actually finish Dessie V / BC V get the full benefit of the 4x clone and wind up with Racial Dessie V x4. But it also means that those who got 99% of the way there aren't robbed of weeks worth of training time, and can at least apply that SP they have earned either to one Racial Dessie V train, or to whatever else they want. |
Solotta Erquilenne
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:04:00 -
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since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5. |
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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:13:00 -
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Solotta Erquilenne wrote:since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5. If that was true, anyone flying T1 BCs with BC5 and less than Cruiser 5 would see a performance loss when they don't get the racial BC5. CCP has stated that only Cruiser 3 is necessary. |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:50:00 -
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Solotta Erquilenne wrote:since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5. lolololololol there are still people who can't figure it out... There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Homowners
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Posted - 2013.01.07 21:05:00 -
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Solotta Erquilenne wrote:since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5.
A good troll, easily 7/10.
But seriously, you just need racial frigate to IV (to unlock racial cruiser) then racial cruiser to III in order to keep your Battlecruisers skill at the right level when the split comes. Don't let the trolls use illogical reasoning and nonsense to scare you :) |
Kimimaro Yoga
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:11:00 -
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Kurfin wrote:I thought they said they wouldn't split them until the BCs had been reworked, or did I imagine that? If that the case I'd guess March at the earliest. Though to avoid disappointment I'd train it as soon as possible.
Not a guess, this is entirely correct. Gah, I can't find it now, but there was a Dev forum post that explicitly stated "the BC and destroyer skill changes will not be implemented until after the BC and BS rebalancing."
So if you are playing the down to the wire game, start watching for the announcement of the ship rebalancing patch. Now the skills might change at the same time, although probably won't be done until another patch later. But it's not supposed to happen until the next round of rebalancing is implemented (and apparently that isn't even on the test server yet). |
Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
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Posted - 2013.01.09 11:21:00 -
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I guess I'll bump this instead of creating a new thread. There's a potential for a large number of people to wake up after this skill change and suddenly have as much as 6 mill additional SP. That would easily bump many people into a new clone bracket. Whenever this change hits, the day after is going to be a glorious day for tears. |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:30:00 -
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Glathull wrote:I guess I'll bump this instead of creating a new thread. There's a potential for a large number of people to wake up after this skill change and suddenly have as much as 6 mill additional SP. That would easily bump many people into a new clone bracket. Whenever this change hits, the day after is going to be a glorious day for tears. The really blissful part will happen when people get all excited about all that "free" SP they got, then undock and lose a big chunk of it because they forget to update the clone and get ganked. |
Huttan Funaila
Terminal Radioactivity Honey Badger Coalition
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Posted - 2013.01.09 18:07:00 -
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This was posted yesterday: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191595 So the question is looking more like "will I be done training BC5 in time?" |
Skurga
Cooperative Industries Corium Fission
8
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Posted - 2013.01.09 18:31:00 -
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15 days away with my alts.... I'm slowly getting nervous |
Barakach
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:12:00 -
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I have a char with: Amarr BC V Caldari BC V Gal BC IV Min BC V
Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough? |
Skurga
Cooperative Industries Corium Fission
8
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:33:00 -
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Barakach wrote:I have a char with: BC V Amarr C V Caldari C V Gal C IV Min C V
Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough?
~8 days of training, some "free" sp, y not? |
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