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Asskick Mcstompnuts
Wrong Side
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Posted - 2013.01.01 15:22:00 -
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Iam 25 Days from BC V, should i train this, or will the update happen before that? :) |

Skurga
Cooperative Industries Corium Fission
6
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Posted - 2013.01.01 15:39:00 -
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Asskick Mcstompnuts wrote:Iam 25 Days from BC V, should i train this, or will the update happen before that? :)
Lets have a look into my crystal ball: "Yes, train it, you'll probably be alright." No guarantee, though.  |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12417
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Posted - 2013.01.01 16:22:00 -
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GǪbecause the four million threads on the topic GÇö most of them still on page one GÇö weren't enough. 
No, you should probably wait. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

Frank Millar
93
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Posted - 2013.01.01 21:08:00 -
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If I didn't have BC V already, I'd probably post threads about it and wait.
Then, when the change goes through, I'd probably post threads about it and whine.

Nice troll, tho. |

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
219
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Posted - 2013.01.01 21:24:00 -
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I'll get me some popcorn in RL right before the patch with the racial skill split hits. |

Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.01.02 03:35:00 -
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If you're asking should you start it today: Yes. The answer to that question will always be yes, until there is an official patch date for the skill change on Tranquility that is less than 25 days from now.
Will 25 days from today be long enough? It seems likely; or at any rate more likely than if you wait until a week from now to start on it. They said in one dev blog back in November, "Start training this skill now. And just to be clear, what we're saying is, you should start training this skill now. As in now. Like, today." Based on that warning, it could happen any time now, and they've already given "fair warning."
I would guess they're going to give one more "last call" dev blog post saying "No, really, we mean it: START TRAINING NAO. If you start today, we guarantee you will be good. If you start tomorrow, all bets are off. Don't come crying to us if you didn't listen and decide to start tomorrow." But that's just my guess, because I think it will take them a bit to roll out all the pieces that have to happen before the skill change, and there will be at least one of those pieces that they will want to blog about at least 30 days before the skill change hitting live, and none of those pieces are on the test server yet. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1001
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Posted - 2013.01.02 03:57:00 -
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So here's a question.
So far with all of the ship rebalances we've had, have there been ANY that were dropped in without any warning? So far I recall each balance patch being preceded by a final dev blog about it. Then a notice that the updated ships will be on the test server. then some time letting final testing play out in our hands. Then the patch.
But I am getting old, and the memory is the first to go.
[edit]
18 hours left for BC5 |

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
325
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Posted - 2013.01.02 11:50:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:Then, when the change goes through, I'd probably post threads about it and whine.
And the fun thing about it will be all the complaints about "why didn-¦t CCP WARN us in advance about these changes???".
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |

Seraphim Sovereign
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.01.02 16:24:00 -
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Less than 23 days for it on the 3rd toon on the same account... because sometimes same account alts are useful, and I don't want to train 4x longer later.
I'm assuming its fine until I hear otherwise |

Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
37
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Posted - 2013.01.04 09:43:00 -
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Just to be clear about the order for new characters who might be starting the whole process now, I think the most effective path is this (in terms of covering your ass and getting the most possible SP after the change):
Spaceship Command to lvl 3 Each race's frigate to lvl 3 Destroyers to lvl 4 Spaceship Command to lvl 4 Each race's frigate to lvl 4 Each race's cruiser to lvl 3 Battlecruisers to lvl 5 Destroyers to lvl 5
I think this is the most efficient for someone starting today to get the most out of the change. I saw someone post on one of the many other threads about getting BC to 5 and then worrying about the cruiser levels. That doesn't make any sense. If you get BC to 5 and have no racial cruisers to 3, you have completely wasted your training time on BC 5 and will get no racial BC skills at all. |
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Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.01.04 09:51:00 -
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I have 27 days to BCV, just started it up about an hour ago. I don't need anything else in a hurry and if I did I can always pause the training. I decided not to remap and only have +2s in so this is very inefficient of me :( |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
368
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Posted - 2013.01.04 14:22:00 -
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Trying to avoid surprizes I've trained all that already. I wonder though what will CCP do to SP already invested in another BC/dessie level, but failing to achieve given level by the time of split. |

Nex apparatu5
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
438
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Posted - 2013.01.04 15:10:00 -
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Super spikinator wrote:I have 27 days to BCV, just started it up about an hour ago. I don't need anything else in a hurry and if I did I can always pause the training. I decided not to remap and only have +2s in so this is very inefficient of me :(
Edit: Start training it now, pause it if you run into something you want sooner. When they announce the changes as incoming I would assume they will give somewhere in the realms of 90days notice anyway since it will attached to an expansion rather as a update.
I wouldn't listen to this guy if I were you. They announced it was incoming early 2013, and the next expansion is in summer. Also they announced that you should strongly consider BC V when picking your next skill back in early December. |

Daimar Lavode
Under the I 17
4
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Posted - 2013.01.04 20:42:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Trying to avoid surprizes I've trained all that already. I wonder though what will CCP do to SP already invested in another BC/dessie level, but failing to achieve given level by the time of split.
My guess, and this is only a wild ass guess, is that they will refund the skill points and let you place them however you choose. So if you are at Destroyers IV + 200,000 into V you will be able to spend 200,000 on any skill you want.
I've got BCV already but am pondering pausing my destroyer training at 4.95% so that I have the possibility of getting the skillpoints to reinvest into charisma related/non-optimal skills that I don't want to train because they're suboptimal but would still find handy to have immediately. If it doesn't work that way and they're restricted to going into a racial destroyer skill then it would be egg on my face but no great loss since I don't see any great need to fly destroyers in the future. |

Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1202
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Posted - 2013.01.04 23:56:00 -
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train it. like 6 months ago. |

Kurfin
Viziam Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2013.01.05 10:56:00 -
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I thought they said they wouldn't split them until the BCs had been reworked, or did I imagine that? If that the case I'd guess March at the earliest. Though to avoid disappointment I'd train it as soon as possible. |

Arkadelphia
Day Trippers
10
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Posted - 2013.01.05 14:50:00 -
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Wait for what? The racial skill updates this summer or even next winter?(maybe never)...pshhh...
I remember when people used to say train BC V for what it does beneficially for the ship...imo it is equal to a recon V or HAC V train in terms of sheer benefit it gives the ship...
Not because I want extra SP when the time comes...oh well..
All of this is assuming you fly BC regularly..don't train it just to have it...but if you fly it daily then no questions the reason to train is for the benefits of the skill...not what CCP is doing. |

LordSpock
Vherokior Death Squad
47
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:06:00 -
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Daimar Lavode wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Trying to avoid surprizes I've trained all that already. I wonder though what will CCP do to SP already invested in another BC/dessie level, but failing to achieve given level by the time of split. My guess, and this is only a wild ass guess, is that they will refund the skill points and let you place them however you choose. So if you are at Destroyers IV + 200,000 into V you will be able to spend 200,000 on any skill you want. I've got BCV already but am pondering pausing my destroyer training at 4.95% so that I have the possibility of getting the skillpoints to reinvest into charisma related/non-optimal skills that I don't want to train because they're suboptimal but would still find handy to have immediately. If it doesn't work that way and they're restricted to going into a racial destroyer skill then it would be egg on my face but no great loss since I don't see any great need to fly destroyers in the future.
This is a wild ass guess indeed. It would be needed to overhaul Dictor requirments as well. Someone that is a dedicated 4 race crosstrained dictor pilot would actually lose the ability to fly any of those. As CCP said, if you can fly it now, you can fly it afterwards. |

Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:33:00 -
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LordSpock wrote:Daimar Lavode wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Trying to avoid surprizes I've trained all that already. I wonder though what will CCP do to SP already invested in another BC/dessie level, but failing to achieve given level by the time of split. My guess, and this is only a wild ass guess, is that they will refund the skill points and let you place them however you choose. So if you are at Destroyers IV + 200,000 into V you will be able to spend 200,000 on any skill you want. I've got BCV already but am pondering pausing my destroyer training at 4.95% so that I have the possibility of getting the skillpoints to reinvest into charisma related/non-optimal skills that I don't want to train because they're suboptimal but would still find handy to have immediately. If it doesn't work that way and they're restricted to going into a racial destroyer skill then it would be egg on my face but no great loss since I don't see any great need to fly destroyers in the future. This is a wild ass guess indeed. It would be needed to overhaul Dictor requirments as well. Someone that is a dedicated 4 race crosstrained dictor pilot would actually lose the ability to fly any of those. As CCP said, if you can fly it now, you can fly it afterwards. He's talking about what happens if a person is only partly trained into a given level of the skill that gets split. Of course he would get Racial Destroyer IV x4 (assuming he had the prereqs to sit in all four races destroyers and already had Dessie IV completely trained).
The question is what happens if he is 99% of the way done on Dessie V when the cutover happens. CCP's promise was that he can fly all dessies at Dessie IV after the patch, just like he could before the patch. Since he hasn't finished Dessie V, and therefore can't fly any destroyer at level V yet, he's only entitled to have the skill cloned at level IV, not level V. The problem is that it's not fair, or consistent with prior changes, to just trash the days or weeks of SP he has put into the partly completed Dessie V. At the same time, it's also arguably not fair, or consistent with CCP's promises about the change, to clone a partly trained level V skill into four partly trained racial level V skills (it might also be hard for them to do, for some obscure technical reason or another).
The obvious (and correct) solution is to refund the SP for the partly trained level ONLY, and to clone the fully trained levels as already stated. This means that only those who actually finish Dessie V / BC V get the full benefit of the 4x clone and wind up with Racial Dessie V x4. But it also means that those who got 99% of the way there aren't robbed of weeks worth of training time, and can at least apply that SP they have earned either to one Racial Dessie V train, or to whatever else they want. |

Solotta Erquilenne
1
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:04:00 -
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since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5. |
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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
37
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:13:00 -
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Solotta Erquilenne wrote:since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5. If that was true, anyone flying T1 BCs with BC5 and less than Cruiser 5 would see a performance loss when they don't get the racial BC5. CCP has stated that only Cruiser 3 is necessary. |

Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
159
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:50:00 -
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Solotta Erquilenne wrote:since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5. lolololololol there are still people who can't figure it out... There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |

Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Homowners
24
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Posted - 2013.01.07 21:05:00 -
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Solotta Erquilenne wrote:since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5.
A good troll, easily 7/10.
But seriously, you just need racial frigate to IV (to unlock racial cruiser) then racial cruiser to III in order to keep your Battlecruisers skill at the right level when the split comes. Don't let the trolls use illogical reasoning and nonsense to scare you :) |

Kimimaro Yoga
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
7
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:11:00 -
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Kurfin wrote:I thought they said they wouldn't split them until the BCs had been reworked, or did I imagine that? If that the case I'd guess March at the earliest. Though to avoid disappointment I'd train it as soon as possible.
Not a guess, this is entirely correct. Gah, I can't find it now, but there was a Dev forum post that explicitly stated "the BC and destroyer skill changes will not be implemented until after the BC and BS rebalancing."
So if you are playing the down to the wire game, start watching for the announcement of the ship rebalancing patch. Now the skills might change at the same time, although probably won't be done until another patch later. But it's not supposed to happen until the next round of rebalancing is implemented (and apparently that isn't even on the test server yet). |

Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
66
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Posted - 2013.01.09 11:21:00 -
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I guess I'll bump this instead of creating a new thread. There's a potential for a large number of people to wake up after this skill change and suddenly have as much as 6 mill additional SP. That would easily bump many people into a new clone bracket. Whenever this change hits, the day after is going to be a glorious day for tears. |

Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:30:00 -
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Glathull wrote:I guess I'll bump this instead of creating a new thread. There's a potential for a large number of people to wake up after this skill change and suddenly have as much as 6 mill additional SP. That would easily bump many people into a new clone bracket. Whenever this change hits, the day after is going to be a glorious day for tears. The really blissful part will happen when people get all excited about all that "free" SP they got, then undock and lose a big chunk of it because they forget to update the clone and get ganked. |

Huttan Funaila
Terminal Radioactivity Honey Badger Coalition
155
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Posted - 2013.01.09 18:07:00 -
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This was posted yesterday: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191595 So the question is looking more like "will I be done training BC5 in time?" |

Skurga
Cooperative Industries Corium Fission
8
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Posted - 2013.01.09 18:31:00 -
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15 days away with my alts.... I'm slowly getting nervous  |

Barakach
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:12:00 -
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I have a char with: Amarr BC V Caldari BC V Gal BC IV Min BC V
Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough? |

Skurga
Cooperative Industries Corium Fission
8
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:33:00 -
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Barakach wrote:I have a char with: BC V Amarr C V Caldari C V Gal C IV Min C V
Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough?
~8 days of training, some "free" sp, y not?  |
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Dave stark
1484
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:35:00 -
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Barakach wrote:I have a char with: BC V Amarr C V Caldari C V Gal C IV Min C V
Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough?
if you have all the frigate skills at IV or higher, definitely. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |

Skurga
Cooperative Industries Corium Fission
9
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:38:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Barakach wrote:I have a char with: BC V Amarr C V Caldari C V Gal C IV Min C V
Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough? if you have all the frigate skills at IV or higher, definitely.
He has...you aren't able to train racial BC without racial Frig to at least lvl 4. |

Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis R.E.P.O.
117
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:39:00 -
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The new prophecy is sexy. |

Barakach
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:59:00 -
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Skurga wrote:Dave stark wrote:Barakach wrote:I have a char with: BC V Amarr C V Caldari C V Gal C IV Min C V
Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough? if you have all the frigate skills at IV or higher, definitely. He has...you aren't able to train racial BC without racial Frig to at least lvl 4.
Yeah, they're all at 5
I hope I have time to train some.
edit: I got a bit turned around when reading lots of different posts on this topic. When is this going live? All I can find is a Dev from last year saying there is no release date. |

Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis R.E.P.O.
118
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:08:00 -
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There is still no release date to my mind, especially because there's no announced date for this on the testing server. Dessy 5 is quick anyway. |

Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
70
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:19:00 -
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Freighdee Katt wrote:Glathull wrote:I guess I'll bump this instead of creating a new thread. There's a potential for a large number of people to wake up after this skill change and suddenly have as much as 6 mill additional SP. That would easily bump many people into a new clone bracket. Whenever this change hits, the day after is going to be a glorious day for tears. The really blissful part will happen when people get all excited about all that "free" SP they got, then undock and lose a big chunk of it because they forget to update the clone and get ganked.
Bingo. I'm going to have to remember to dock up in a station with medical facility the night before this goes live. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
943
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Posted - 2013.01.11 06:06:00 -
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Barakach wrote:When is this going live?
We finally have something more definitive:
CCP Fozzie wrote:Are the Battlecruiser skills being split into racial version at the same time as these changes?We have been planning to split the Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills into racial variations ( Details can be found in CCP Ytterbium's dev blog here) for a while, but we've been vague about the when. Originally I had hoped to get the changes into this point release, but we've seen an opportunity to both build better tools to help players understand the changes (communicating the mechanics involved is something we could have done better so far) and also combine the skill changes with some other adjustments that fit together well. So I now have permission to let you all know that the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013 (which most of you know tends to fall in the late spring). We'll be working to make sure that as many people as possible understand the changes beforehand. I know that some of you may feel that we've been stringing you guys along since the changes were first proposed so long ago, but we're working to make sure a huge change like this is done in the most responsible way possible. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. |

Skurga
Cooperative Industries Corium Fission
10
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Posted - 2013.01.11 09:11:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Barakach wrote:When is this going live? We finally have something more definitive: CCP Fozzie wrote:Are the Battlecruiser skills being split into racial version at the same time as these changes?We have been planning to split the Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills into racial variations ( Details can be found in CCP Ytterbium's dev blog here) for a while, but we've been vague about the when. Originally I had hoped to get the changes into this point release, but we've seen an opportunity to both build better tools to help players understand the changes (communicating the mechanics involved is something we could have done better so far) and also combine the skill changes with some other adjustments that fit together well. So I now have permission to let you all know that the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013 (which most of you know tends to fall in the late spring). We'll be working to make sure that as many people as possible understand the changes beforehand. I know that some of you may feel that we've been stringing you guys along since the changes were first proposed so long ago, but we're working to make sure a huge change like this is done in the most responsible way possible. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion.
Thanks for the link.
Edits says: Great news, no more time to worry not getting rdy soon enough! |

Pitrolo Orti
State Protectorate Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.01.12 03:09:00 -
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yes u are fine!!! The world was supposed to end and it never happened so we are good!!! Your wallet contains only 110.56 ISK, but you require 405,000,000.00 ISK to complete this operation. |

Rio Bravo
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
6
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Posted - 2013.01.12 03:58:00 -
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Happy to learn only cruiser 3 is necessary. Figured as much, nice to know for sure. |
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Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
357
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:13:00 -
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10 days away, was hoping the change would take place in 11 days so I dont need cruiser IV for BS skills :( |

Sam Korak
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.14 10:10:00 -
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From my knowledge you should focus on getting; Command IV Frigate IV Cruiser III Dessy and BC to the lvl you want to have the racial ones after the split (probably that would mean V) |

Supreme Bashar Atreides
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.15 03:12:00 -
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I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<
I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?
Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already. |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
951
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Posted - 2013.01.15 03:38:00 -
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Supreme Bashar Atreides wrote:I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<
I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?
Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already.
Plan for late April. You have time to train. BC 5 should run ~25-30 days. Destroyers 5 is more like a week to 10 days. |

Supreme Bashar Atreides
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.15 04:26:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Supreme Bashar Atreides wrote:I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<
I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?
Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already. Plan for late April. You have time to train. BC 5 should run ~25-30 days. Destroyers 5 is more like a week to 10 days.
Thanks!
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
235
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:36:00 -
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Supreme Bashar Atreides wrote:I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<
I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?
Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already.
For reference, Iceland is in the northern hemisphere. |

Duke Atreus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 00:25:00 -
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So far getting all racial cruisers to 3 and then BC / Destroyer to V...3 new toons is about 45 days oh dear I hope I make it lol. |

Mike Mulder
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:48:00 -
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Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?
As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4. |

Demolishar
United Aggression
746
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:59:00 -
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Mike Mulder wrote:Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?
As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.
Yes |

Baron Dmitri Harkonnen
State War Academy Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:21:00 -
[50] - Quote
Mike Mulder wrote:Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?
Yep
Mike Mulder wrote:As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.
Depends on what you plan on flying. Seems worth it you plan on using two or more different races BC / Destroyer. Plus free SP. |
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Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2013.01.31 05:44:00 -
[51] - Quote
Mike Mulder wrote:Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?
As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.
Do you like Destroyers and Battlecruisers? Then yes, yes you do. |

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
438
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Posted - 2013.01.31 16:23:00 -
[52] - Quote
Devs have said the skill change will not happen until the battleships get their teiricide pass.
The BC teiricide pass is currently scheduled as part of the update on Feb 12th according to what I have read.
The next big expansion (summer expansion) is currently scheduled for mid May
The current teiricide will most likely be complete before that summer expansion is released, although I seem to recall some thing being said about the battleship teiricide being part of that expansion.
As we get closer to the summer expansion the developers will be working hard on those new features, meaning the stuff they were working on before i.e. T1 teiricide should be done.
The way I see the absolute latest we can expect to see the skill change is in may, Although I personally expect the battleship teiricide patch to come in March. I also expect to see the BC skill change come as part of the battleship teiricide pass.
The Developers have not given us any guarantee's that the skill change will not happen as part of the BC's teiricde pass.
So although starting to train BC5 any time before mid February should get it done in time, there is a chance it is already to late.
I trained destroyer 5 and BC5 on both my combat toons back in oct/nov to make sure I did not miss out. Was it a waste to do it at that time? HELL NO! It is done and out of the way. I am guaranteed to get the benefit from it. With it being so long from the time they told us this was coming, I have even trained BC5 and Dessy5 on my non combat miner/hauler characters, just in case I ever put them in a BC.
If they change happens, and you miss out, you will have nobody to blame but yourself. If you fly BC's, and will actually need the new racial BC skills, there is no reason why you have not already trained it other than you being an OCD idiot. |

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
438
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Posted - 2013.01.31 16:28:00 -
[53] - Quote
Mike Mulder wrote:Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?
As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4. If you don't, being new you will not know what you missed out on for at least 6 months before you have the suport skills to really benifit from BC5, chances are you will only end up flying one or two of the races BC's anyway.
For many many players the only BC they fly is the Drake. But cross training is never a bad idea.
It will be funny if after all this, the developers change the BC's to not have a per level bonus for the BC skill, and there is no benefit to get it to 5. |

Skurga
Cooperative Industries
10
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Posted - 2013.01.31 16:36:00 -
[54] - Quote
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Devs have said the skill change will not happen until the battleships get their teiricide pass.
The BC teiricide pass is currently scheduled as part of the update on Feb 12th according to what I have read.
The next big expansion (summer expansion) is currently scheduled for mid May
The current teiricide will most likely be complete before that summer expansion is released, although I seem to recall some thing being said about the battleship teiricide being part of that expansion.
As we get closer to the summer expansion the developers will be working hard on those new features, meaning the stuff they were working on before i.e. T1 teiricide should be done.
The way I see the absolute latest we can expect to see the skill change is in may, Although I personally expect the battleship teiricide patch to come in March. I also expect to see the BC skill change come as part of the battleship teiricide pass.
The Developers have not given us any guarantee's that the skill change will not happen as part of the BC's teiricde pass.
So although starting to train BC5 any time before mid February should get it done in time, there is a chance it is already to late.
I trained destroyer 5 and BC5 on both my combat toons back in oct/nov to make sure I did not miss out. Was it a waste to do it at that time? HELL NO! It is done and out of the way. I am guaranteed to get the benefit from it. With it being so long from the time they told us this was coming, I have even trained BC5 and Dessy5 on my non combat miner/hauler characters, just in case I ever put them in a BC.
If they change happens, and you miss out, you will have nobody to blame but yourself. If you fly BC's, and will actually need the new racial BC skills, there is no reason why you have not already trained it other than you being an OCD idiot.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2442879#post2442879
"[...]So I now have permission to let you all know that the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013 (which most of you know tends to fall in the late spring).[...]"
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
438
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:06:00 -
[55] - Quote
Yes it was later confirmed to be scheduled for end of May i.e. late spring. First day of Summer is June 21st. First day of Spring is March 20th. But we all know how CCP tends to change things, almost every thing they say more than two months before it happens gets changed. Note the bold underlined part. It says "Is scheduled" not "will happen".
Today is Jan 31st. If the expansion is to be released in May that is 4 months away. The chances of something like this being moved up at some point in the next 4 months is very very good.
2 months ago we were told the BC's teiricide pass would be part of that expansion, along with the battleships, but when things went so well with the cruisers pass they moved it up. Chances are if things go well with the BC pass, battleships may be moved up, possibly along with the skill change.
Moral of the story is... Nothing CCP ever says is written in stone.
If you want to ensure you do not miss out TRAIN IT NOW!! |

Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
48
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Posted - 2013.01.31 18:43:00 -
[56] - Quote
Considering how consciencious CCP has been about giving people a chance to plan for this, I would be extremely surprised if they make this change any earlier than they have committed to. |

Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
82
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Posted - 2013.01.31 19:15:00 -
[57] - Quote
Zor'katar wrote:Considering how consciencious CCP has been about giving people a chance to plan for this, I would be extremely surprised if they make this change any earlier than they have committed to.
But you have to admit . . . the level of rage on the forums would be un****ing believable if CCP flip flopped on this and pushed it back up before the summer expansion.
I would love to see them pull off an epic troll like that. Even if it did cost me a couple of months of training. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
443
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Posted - 2013.02.03 20:06:00 -
[58] - Quote
Glathull wrote:Zor'katar wrote:Considering how consciencious CCP has been about giving people a chance to plan for this, I would be extremely surprised if they make this change any earlier than they have committed to. But you have to admit . . . the level of rage on the forums would be un****ing believable if CCP flip flopped on this and pushed it back up before the summer expansion. I would love to see them pull off an epic troll like that. Even if it did cost me a couple of months of training. So i guess that makes EVE the only game where players will rage about the developers delivering things ahead of schedule. We were told about the skill change 3 months ago, it is not scheduled for another 34 months, If they move it up a month we will still have had 6 months notice to train a skill that takes about 1 month to train. Anyone who would rage about that is not someone I would care about if they rage quit. Do you really have nothing better to complain about a game developer exceeding expectations? Delivering promises ahead of schedule is a good thing. |

Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
143
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Posted - 2013.02.04 15:17:00 -
[59] - Quote
Quick question:
- Let's say I have a Per/Will specced alt.
- I train BC V up to 99% finished, taking advantage of the perfectly matching attributes.
- When the patch goes life the invested SP will be refunded and I'll be able to spend them on something else.
- For example Char/Wil leadership skills that aren't worth respeccing for.
- ???
- PROFIT!
Is that an accurate summary? Pain is short, and joy is eternal. |

Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus Aeterna Anima
16
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Posted - 2013.02.04 15:25:00 -
[60] - Quote
Bugsy VanHalen wrote: So i guess that makes EVE the only game where players will rage about the developers delivering things ahead of schedule. We were told about the skill change 3 months ago, it is not scheduled for another 34 months, If they move it up a month we will still have had 6 months notice to train a skill that takes about 1 month to train. Anyone who would rage about that is not someone I would care about if they rage quit. Do you really have nothing better to complain about a game developer exceeding expectations? Delivering promises ahead of schedule is a good thing.
Delivering ahead of schedule is only a good thing if you don't mess up people's plans by implementing half baked AI 'upgrades'. If i didn't have to adapt to that crap i'd have no problem skilling BC V in time.
Now it's cutting things close IF it doesn't come before mid May.
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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
49
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:53:00 -
[61] - Quote
Calapine wrote:Quick question:
- Let's say I have a Per/Will specced alt.
- I train BC V up to 99% finished, taking advantage of the perfectly matching attributes.
- When the patch goes life the invested SP will be refunded and I'll be able to spend them on something else.
- For example Char/Wil leadership skills that aren't worth respeccing for.
- ???
- PROFIT!
Is that an accurate summary? To my knowledge, step 3 hasn't been acknowledged by anyone at CCP. If it has, I apparently missed something... do you have a link? |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
136
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Posted - 2013.02.05 03:00:00 -
[62] - Quote
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Glathull wrote:Zor'katar wrote:Considering how consciencious CCP has been about giving people a chance to plan for this, I would be extremely surprised if they make this change any earlier than they have committed to. But you have to admit . . . the level of rage on the forums would be un****ing believable if CCP flip flopped on this and pushed it back up before the summer expansion. I would love to see them pull off an epic troll like that. Even if it did cost me a couple of months of training. So i guess that makes EVE the only game where players will rage about the developers delivering things ahead of schedule. We were told about the skill change 3 months ago, it is not scheduled for another 34 months, If they move it up a month we will still have had 6 months notice to train a skill that takes about 1 month to train. Anyone who would rage about that is not someone I would care about if they rage quit. Do you really have nothing better to complain about a game developer exceeding expectations? Delivering promises ahead of schedule is a good thing. Actually we were first warned of this change over a year ago now I believe. Beginning of 2012 they started talking about it. |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
982
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Posted - 2013.02.05 03:06:00 -
[63] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Actually we were first warned of this change over a year ago now I believe. Beginning of 2012 they started talking about it.
March 6, 2012. |

Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
143
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Posted - 2013.02.05 23:51:00 -
[64] - Quote
Zor'katar wrote:Calapine wrote:Quick question:
- Let's say I have a Per/Will specced alt.
- I train BC V up to 99% finished, taking advantage of the perfectly matching attributes.
- When the patch goes life the invested SP will be refunded and I'll be able to spend them on something else.
- For example Char/Wil leadership skills that aren't worth respeccing for.
- ???
- PROFIT!
Is that an accurate summary? To my knowledge, step 3 hasn't been acknowledged by anyone at CCP. If it has, I apparently missed something... do you have a link?
No. What has been acknowledged by CCP is that no partial levels are given out. eg no racial BC 4.5. Which leaves two options:
A) Any SP invested towards an unfinished rank will be lost B) SP spent training on an unfinished rank will be refunded.
My prior experience suggests that A) is very, very unlikely.
Pain is short, and joy is eternal. |

Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2013.02.06 07:54:00 -
[65] - Quote
Updating!
- Amarr Frigate V
- Caldari Frigate V
- Gallente Frigate V
- Minmatar Frigate V
- Destroyer V
- Amarr Cruiser V
- Caldari Cruiser V
- Gallente Cruiser III
- Minmatar Cruiser III (IV in 30 hours)
- Battlecruisers V
I am now ready for the change. Though I might get Gallente Cruiser to IV, just because. |

Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
49
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:58:00 -
[66] - Quote
Calapine wrote:No. What has been acknowledged by CCP is that no partial levels are given out. eg no racial BC 4.5. Which leaves two options:
A) Any SP invested towards an unfinished rank will be lost B) SP spent training on an unfinished rank will be refunded.
My prior experience suggests that A) is very, very unlikely.
Sure, but I doubt a whole lot of people are going to risk a month of training for the potential of saving a couple of days, especially when that advantage relies on never training more than one racial BC to 5. |

Asskick Mcstompnuts
new eden intelligence agency
0
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:35:00 -
[67] - Quote
MY POST IS POPULAR! LIFE GOAL **** YEAH! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7577
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Posted - 2013.02.07 09:38:00 -
[68] - Quote
Super spikinator wrote:Updating!
- Amarr Frigate V
- Caldari Frigate V
- Gallente Frigate V
- Minmatar Frigate V
- Destroyer V
- Amarr Cruiser V
- Caldari Cruiser V
- Gallente Cruiser III
- Minmatar Cruiser III (IV in 30 hours)
- Battlecruisers V
I am now ready for the change. Though I might get Gallente Cruiser to IV, just because.
You might as well get the last 2 Cruiser Vs. 4 Cruiser Vs makes getting T2 Cruiser skills really nice, plus you'll be nerf-proof! Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
985
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Posted - 2013.02.07 13:43:00 -
[69] - Quote
Calapine wrote:A) Any SP invested towards an unfinished rank will be lost B) SP spent training on an unfinished rank will be refunded.
My prior experience suggests that A) is very, very unlikely.
You apparently missed C), which splits the skill at the level you currently have it trained to the the exact level of SP. I didn't really see it coming either, but there you go.
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Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus Aeterna Anima
16
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Posted - 2013.02.07 14:14:00 -
[70] - Quote
Zhilia Mann wrote:Calapine wrote:A) Any SP invested towards an unfinished rank will be lost B) SP spent training on an unfinished rank will be refunded.
My prior experience suggests that A) is very, very unlikely. You apparently missed C), which splits the skill at the level you currently have it trained to the the exact level of SP. I didn't really see it coming either, but there you go.
Actually it's pretty much precisely what i would have expected (technically it's the easiest since you simply copy a field in your DB to 4 new fields) before Calapine wrote it was acknowledged to not happen. Some acknowledgement that must have been :). |
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Aria Ta'Rohk
Praetorian Cannibals The Marmite Collective
121
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:05:00 -
[71] - Quote
Zhilia Mann wrote:Calapine wrote:A) Any SP invested towards an unfinished rank will be lost B) SP spent training on an unfinished rank will be refunded.
My prior experience suggests that A) is very, very unlikely. You apparently missed C), which splits the skill at the level you currently have it trained to the the exact level of SP. I didn't really see it coming either, but there you go. It has been stated the clearest there than it ever has anywhere else in months. If anyone asks when it the changw will happen and what they need after this point I will find and pod them. I'll take 2 carebears to go, with extra tears |

Marionaitte
Eclipse Navy. Li3 Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:53:00 -
[72] - Quote
Someone Else already posten the link. |

Alexander Sinclair
Space Exploitation Inc Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:52:00 -
[73] - Quote
Solotta Erquilenne wrote:since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5.
I believe they said you will only need Racial Cruisers 3 in all the races and Battlecruisers 5 to get all the Battlecruisers to 5. From here http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74234
Dev Blog wrote: Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill are going to be split up into four racial versions each. We announced this last year and there is nothing new about it. The Destroyers skill will be removed from the game and replaced with Amarr Destroyer, Caldari Destroyer, Gallente Destroyer, Minmatar Destroyer. Same with the Battlecruisers skill, being removed and swapped with Amarr Battlecruiser, Caldari Battlecruiser, Gallente Battlecruiser and Minmatar Battlecruiser. The new skills will have the same ranks and attributes than the old generic ones. Reimbursement will be given to all players that meet all requirements to fly tech 1 Destroyers and Battlecruisers (more details on the last section of this blog). |

Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2013.02.08 06:13:00 -
[74] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Super spikinator wrote:Updating!
- Amarr Frigate V
- Caldari Frigate V
- Gallente Frigate V
- Minmatar Frigate V
- Destroyer V
- Amarr Cruiser V
- Caldari Cruiser V
- Gallente Cruiser III
- Minmatar Cruiser III (IV in 30 hours)
- Battlecruisers V
I am now ready for the change. Though I might get Gallente Cruiser to IV, just because. You might as well get the last 2 Cruiser Vs. 4 Cruiser Vs makes getting T2 Cruiser skills really nice, plus you'll be nerf-proof!
Cruisers to V is a medium term goal. Short term goal is to get core missile skills up so I can fly missile orientated frigates better, especially since I will be using the vengeance a lot more when the armour changes come in. |

Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
50
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:48:00 -
[75] - Quote
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:Actually it's pretty much precisely what i would have expected (technically it's the easiest since you simply copy a field in your DB to 4 new fields) before Calapine wrote it was acknowledged to not happen. Some acknowledgement that must have been :). In her defense, CCP had previously stated that only whole number levels would be split to the racials. Glad to see they reconsidered and took the Route of Most Sense, though. |

Logic Luke
Ad Astra Vexillum The Unthinkables
25
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:05:00 -
[76] - Quote
Cant wait for 6,4 million Skillpoints |

Alexander Sinclair
Space Exploitation Inc Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2013.02.13 01:01:00 -
[77] - Quote
Logic Luke wrote:Cant wait for 6,4 million Skillpoints
Its about 6.2 Million Skillpoints. |

stoicfaux
2339
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Posted - 2013.02.13 02:15:00 -
[78] - Quote
Calapine wrote:Quick question:
- Let's say I have a Per/Will specced alt.
- I train BC V up to 99% finished, taking advantage of the perfectly matching attributes.
- When the patch goes life the invested SP will be refunded and I'll be able to spend them on something else.
- For example Char/Wil leadership skills that aren't worth respeccing for.
- ???
- PROFIT!
Is that an accurate summary? I don't think that you will get the 4x multiplier though. Just a straight refund of the BC skill assuming you haven't trained any cruiser skill to III.
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Marion Youngone
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.02.13 06:43:00 -
[79] - Quote
Please don't pod me but when is the change supposed to happen?
Already have all racial cruisers to 3 and just started the battlecruiser skill today with a total train time of 25 days to level 5. |

Novah Soul
SASN Mining Corp. Grand Stellar Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.02.13 07:12:00 -
[80] - Quote
Marion Youngone wrote:Please don't pod me but when is the change supposed to happen?
Already have all racial cruisers to 3 and just started the battlecruiser skill today with a total train time of 25 days to level 5. Ya still have time. The change wont take effect until the summer expansion which will hit late spring/early summer. |
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