Iam 25 Days from BC V, should i train this, or will the update happen before that? :)

Then, when the change goes through, I'd probably post threads about it and whine.

I have 27 days to BCV, just started it up about an hour ago. I don't need anything else in a hurry and if I did I can always pause the training. I decided not to remap and only have +2s in so this is very inefficient of me :(

Edit: Start training it now, pause it if you run into something you want sooner. When they announce the changes as incoming I would assume they will give somewhere in the realms of 90days notice anyway since it will attached to an expansion rather as a update.

Trying to avoid surprizes I've trained all that already. I wonder though what will CCP do to SP already invested in another BC/dessie level, but failing to achieve given level by the time of split.

My guess, and this is only a wild ass guess, is that they will refund the skill points and let you place them however you choose. So if you are at Destroyers IV + 200,000 into V you will be able to spend 200,000 on any skill you want.

I've got BCV already but am pondering pausing my destroyer training at 4.95% so that I have the possibility of getting the skillpoints to reinvest into charisma related/non-optimal skills that I don't want to train because they're suboptimal but would still find handy to have immediately. If it doesn't work that way and they're restricted to going into a racial destroyer skill then it would be egg on my face but no great loss since I don't see any great need to fly destroyers in the future.

This is a wild ass guess indeed. It would be needed to overhaul Dictor requirments as well. Someone that is a dedicated 4 race crosstrained dictor pilot would actually lose the ability to fly any of those.
As CCP said, if you can fly it now, you can fly it afterwards.

since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5.

since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5.

since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5.

I thought they said they wouldn't split them until the BCs had been reworked, or did I imagine that? If that the case I'd guess March at the earliest. Though to avoid disappointment I'd train it as soon as possible.

I guess I'll bump this instead of creating a new thread. There's a potential for a large number of people to wake up after this skill change and suddenly have as much as 6 mill additional SP. That would easily bump many people into a new clone bracket. Whenever this change hits, the day after is going to be a glorious day for tears.

This was posted yesterday:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191595
So the question is looking more like "will I be done training BC5 in time?"

I have a char with:
BC V
Amarr C V
Caldari C V
Gal C IV
Min C V

Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough?

I have a char with:
BC V
Amarr C V
Caldari C V
Gal C IV
Min C V

Would Destroyer V be worth spending my next while on or is IV good enough?

if you have all the frigate skills at IV or higher, definitely.

This was posted yesterday:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191595
So the question is looking more like "will I be done training BC5 in time?"

He has...you aren't able to train racial BC without racial Frig to at least lvl 4.

The really blissful part will happen when people get all excited about all that "free" SP they got, then undock and lose a big chunk of it because they forget to update the clone and get ganked.

When is this going live?

Are the Battlecruiser skills being split into racial version at the same time as these changes?

We have been planning to split the Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills into racial variations (Details can be found in CCP Ytterbium's dev blog here) for a while, but we've been vague about the when. Originally I had hoped to get the changes into this point release, but we've seen an opportunity to both build better tools to help players understand the changes (communicating the mechanics involved is something we could have done better so far) and also combine the skill changes with some other adjustments that fit together well. So I now have permission to let you all know that the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013 (which most of you know tends to fall in the late spring). We'll be working to make sure that as many people as possible understand the changes beforehand. I know that some of you may feel that we've been stringing you guys along since the changes were first proposed so long ago, but we're working to make sure a huge change like this is done in the most responsible way possible.

To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion.

We finally have something more definitive:

I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<

I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?

Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already.

Plan for late April. You have time to train. BC 5 should run ~25-30 days. Destroyers 5 is more like a week to 10 days.

I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<

I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?

Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already.

Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?

As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.

Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?

As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.

Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?

As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.

Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?

As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.

Devs have said the skill change will not happen until the battleships get their teiricide pass.

The BC teiricide pass is currently scheduled as part of the update on Feb 12th according to what I have read.

The next big expansion (summer expansion) is currently scheduled for mid May

The current teiricide will most likely be complete before that summer expansion is released, although I seem to recall some thing being said about the battleship teiricide being part of that expansion.

As we get closer to the summer expansion the developers will be working hard on those new features, meaning the stuff they were working on before i.e. T1 teiricide should be done.

The way I see the absolute latest we can expect to see the skill change is in may, Although I personally expect the battleship teiricide patch to come in March. I also expect to see the BC skill change come as part of the battleship teiricide pass.

The Developers have not given us any guarantee's that the skill change will not happen as part of the BC's teiricde pass.

So although starting to train BC5 any time before mid February should get it done in time, there is a chance it is already to late.

I trained destroyer 5 and BC5 on both my combat toons back in oct/nov to make sure I did not miss out. Was it a waste to do it at that time? HELL NO! It is done and out of the way. I am guaranteed to get the benefit from it. With it being so long from the time they told us this was coming, I have even trained BC5 and Dessy5 on my non combat miner/hauler characters, just in case I ever put them in a BC.

If they change happens, and you miss out, you will have nobody to blame but yourself. If you fly BC's, and will actually need the new racial BC skills, there is no reason why you have not already trained it other than you being an OCD idiot.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2442879#post2442879

"[...]So I now have permission to let you all know that the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013 (which most of you know tends to fall in the late spring).[...]"

Considering how consciencious CCP has been about giving people a chance to plan for this, I would be extremely surprised if they make this change any earlier than they have committed to.

But you have to admit . . . the level of rage on the forums would be un****ing believable if CCP flip flopped on this and pushed it back up before the summer expansion.

I would love to see them pull off an epic troll like that. Even if it did cost me a couple of months of training.

So i guess that makes EVE the only game where players will rage about the developers delivering things ahead of schedule. We were told about the skill change 3 months ago, it is not scheduled for another 34 months, If they move it up a month we will still have had 6 months notice to train a skill that takes about 1 month to train. Anyone who would rage about that is not someone I would care about if they rage quit. Do you really have nothing better to complain about a game developer exceeding expectations? Delivering promises ahead of schedule is a good thing.

Quick question:

1. Let's say I have a Per/Will specced alt.
2. I train BC V up to 99% finished, taking advantage of the perfectly matching attributes.
3. When the patch goes life the invested SP will be refunded and I'll be able to spend them on something else.
4. For example Char/Wil leadership skills that aren't worth respeccing for.
5. ???
6. PROFIT!

Is that an accurate summary?

So i guess that makes EVE the only game where players will rage about the developers delivering things ahead of schedule. We were told about the skill change 3 months ago, it is not scheduled for another 34 months, If they move it up a month we will still have had 6 months notice to train a skill that takes about 1 month to train. Anyone who would rage about that is not someone I would care about if they rage quit. Do you really have nothing better to complain about a game developer exceeding expectations? Delivering promises ahead of schedule is a good thing.

Actually we were first warned of this change over a year ago now I believe. Beginning of 2012 they started talking about it.

To my knowledge, step 3 hasn't been acknowledged by anyone at CCP. If it has, I apparently missed something... do you have a link?

No. What has been acknowledged by CCP is that no partial levels are given out. eg no racial BC 4.5. Which leaves two options:

A) Any SP invested towards an unfinished rank will be lost
B) SP spent training on an unfinished rank will be refunded.

My prior experience suggests that A) is very, very unlikely.

Updating!

• Amarr Frigate V
• Caldari Frigate V
• Gallente Frigate V
• Minmatar Frigate V
• Destroyer V
• Amarr Cruiser V
• Caldari Cruiser V
• Gallente Cruiser III
• Minmatar Cruiser III (IV in 30 hours)
• Battlecruisers V

I am now ready for the change. Though I might get Gallente Cruiser to IV, just because.

A) Any SP invested towards an unfinished rank will be lost
B) SP spent training on an unfinished rank will be refunded.

My prior experience suggests that A) is very, very unlikely.

You apparently missed C), which splits the skill at the level you currently have it trained to the the exact level of SP. I didn't really see it coming either, but there you go.

You apparently missed C), which splits the skill at the level you currently have it trained to the the exact level of SP. I didn't really see it coming either, but there you go.

since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5.

Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill are going to be split up into four racial versions each. We announced this last year and there is nothing new about it. The Destroyers skill will be removed from the game and replaced with Amarr Destroyer, Caldari Destroyer, Gallente Destroyer, Minmatar Destroyer. Same with the Battlecruisers skill, being removed and swapped with Amarr Battlecruiser, Caldari Battlecruiser, Gallente Battlecruiser and Minmatar Battlecruiser. The new skills will have the same ranks and attributes than the old generic ones. Reimbursement will be given to all players that meet all requirements to fly tech 1 Destroyers and Battlecruisers (more details on the last section of this blog).

You might as well get the last 2 Cruiser Vs. 4 Cruiser Vs makes getting T2 Cruiser skills really nice, plus you'll be nerf-proof!

Actually it's pretty much precisely what i would have expected (technically it's the easiest since you simply copy a field in your DB to 4 new fields) before Calapine wrote it was acknowledged to not happen. Some acknowledgement that must have been :).

Cant wait for 6,4 million Skillpoints

Quick question:

1. Let's say I have a Per/Will specced alt.
2. I train BC V up to 99% finished, taking advantage of the perfectly matching attributes.
3. When the patch goes life the invested SP will be refunded and I'll be able to spend them on something else.
4. For example Char/Wil leadership skills that aren't worth respeccing for.
5. ???
6. PROFIT!

Is that an accurate summary?

Please don't pod me but when is the change supposed to happen?

Already have all racial cruisers to 3 and just started the battlecruiser skill today with a total train time of 25 days to level 5.