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But I think you get the deposit back on courier missions, so wouldn't that be ISK neutral for the most part?

I guess if you're just counting failed Courier missions, it's a teeny sink (and I've gone and answered my own question).

Yes, it's that possibility that I want to account for GÇö you'll notice that it shows up both as a sink and a faucet.

In general, I'd say that it's better not to try to GÇ£balance outGÇ¥ faucets and sinks that are meant to come in pairs like that because there's always the chance that they don't. It's the same as with insurance: it is designed to be a faucet, and overall, that's what it is. This doesn't change the fact that you can easily sink a crapton of ISK into it and never get a single ISK out, thus it appears in both places.

It's less a list of what activity makes the ISK supply go up or down in general, but of what specific action causes a point increase or decrease in that supply.

PLEX is another big ISK sink. Buying a plex with ISK and adding it as game time takes a good half a billion ISK out the system. Buying one with $ and selling it just gives you someone else's ISK.

PLEX is another big ISK sink. Buying a plex with ISK and adding it as game time takes a good half a billion ISK out the system. Buying one with $ and selling it just gives you someone else's ISK.

PLEX is another big ISK sink. Buying a plex with ISK and adding it as game time takes a good half a billion ISK out the system. Buying one with $ and selling it just gives you someone else's ISK.

I'd be curious if you "nerf hi sec!" idjuts considered things like the PI taxes and the cost of manufacturing T1 Meta 0 items for T2 manufacturing in your "added costs" mantra for high sec? Ya know, with the exception of a few items like drones, T1 meta 0 drops are over, now requiring their manufacture and adding to the cost calculations for T2 items that require them.

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Increasing manufacturing costs signifigantly in High Sec would be a good start, but that would make manufacturing low-cost goods totally unprofitable. Solution - seed all low-cost goods - another ISK sink right there.

CCP has said the biggest single sink is the LP store. Thus an effective way to buff sinks is to buff the LP store.

I'd be curious if you "nerf hi sec!" idjuts

considered things like the PI taxes and the cost of manufacturing T1 Meta 0 items for T2 manufacturing in your "added costs" mantra for high sec? Ya know, with the exception of a few items like drones, T1 meta 0 drops are over, now requiring their manufacture and adding to the cost calculations for T2 items that require them.

But then, you'll say this isn't enough. So once again, I've just wasted another 45 seconds of my life in a fail troll thread. Good job, Ginger.

Or better yet, just create a nerfing forum and let all the pointless bickering happen there.

As I said in the last one of these, don't forget the rage quitters that leave without letting people haz their stuffs.

Remove NPC bounties and replace them with LPs...

As ideas go, thats actually not that bad.

One radical idea that I've seen that I like (though I can't remember the source), is to remove as many ISK sources from HS activities as possible. Missions pay out LP only, HS rats pay out LP, etc. The concept is essentially that ISK doesn't properly act as a currency in EVE, so treat it like the commodity it is and have Null export ISK while importing other things.

Having seen the mention of removing NPC bounties for LPs, I would entertain that there could also be ship crews for LP, with either an LP or ISK upkeep. Or a hybrid, payable in LP, once you're out, ISK.

Basic crews could be lost with a ship, more advanced ones would have "clones" (a la soliders in D514) and could be assigned to the new ship. They would cost more of course.

One radical idea that I've seen that I like (though I can't remember the source), is to remove as many ISK sources from HS activities as possible. Missions pay out LP only, HS rats pay out LP, etc. The concept is essentially that ISK doesn't properly act as a currency in EVE, so treat it like the commodity it is and have Null export ISK while importing other things.

1. Given that CCP is working to constantly reduce the amount of NPC influence in the market (and that this is a higher priority that removing ISK sinks, See: PI), how do you set up player manufacturing of the crews such that they remain an ISK sink? (Maybe just have the crew upkeep be the ISK sink, and the manufacturing be player operated, though that brings with it other issues of whether you have to pay upkeep on inactive crews and, if so, what happens to crews on market or in contracts, and what's stopping people from escaping the crew upkeep by keeping their crews locked away like that?).

2. Combat bonuses whose benefits are not lost when you lose your ship and cannot be stolen are bad, mmmkay. No clones for crews.

3. If you're introducing this as a way to create an ISK sink, why turn around and suggest removing the ISK sinky part?


Other than that, I think that crew slots could have some merit.