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Thomas Hurt The Scope Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:08:00 - [1] - Quote It is well known that EVE has a Massive wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate 2026	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:09:00 - [2] - Quote Equality? In my EVE? The Drake is a Lie
Akiyo Mayaki Industrial Justice Corporation 81	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:11:00 - [3] - Quote No. EVE is harsh and cold. Money comes to those who are willing to earn it and power to those who risk everything to claim it. "By the better angles of our nature.."
Rath Kelbore Eviscerate. 353	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:11:00 - [4] - Quote lol I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1084	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:13:00 - [5] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: It is well known that EVE has a Massive wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. And i ask you the same question I ask my countrymen in real life when they suggest such things: Why do you feel entitled to stuff IT worked for. Why not work for your own (or in classic EVE style, scam/steal the utter beejesus out of some careless wealthy idiot)? Must everything be handed to everyone with no effort? Say not to pinko-space-communism. The question is so ludicrous it must be a troll, but I'd also like to know the answer to the question.
Katherine Jasmone 14	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:15:00 - [6] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: It is well known that EVE has a Massive wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. Mothertrucking commie! Yes , I am an alt. Yes, you may put a bounty on me. Yes, I am a forumwarrior/troll. Yes, I have a life. No, I am not posting with my main. Why paint a target on my back? :)
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 995	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:15:00 - [7] - Quote I'd like some of what the OP is smoking. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Atticus Lowa Lowa Corp Industries and Security 23	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:16:00 - [8] - Quote uhh, the difference between eve and real life, is that in eve EVERYONE has a chance to become wealthy in real life not everyone gets rich, that's why in RL we have progressive taxes to negate the problem. here its not a problem that cannot be surmounted
Hannah Flex Elite Market PvP Consortium 49	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:17:00 - [9] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: It is well known that EVE has a Massive wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. GET OUTTA MY EVE OBAMA
Randolph Rothstein whatever corp. 278	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:17:00 - [10] - Quote i support OP untill the point im rich enough to tell him his idea is stupid

Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1085	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:19:00 - [11] - Quote Hannah Flex wrote: Thomas Hurt wrote: It is well known that EVE has a Massive wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. GET OUTTA MY EVE OBAMA ROFL +1
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 1119	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:21:00 - [12] - Quote Great idea in real life! If we implement this in EVE, though, I want my very own IRL Rifter.
Mathrin Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems 52	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:25:00 - [13] - Quote You can have all my isk if you can figure out all the spreadsheets I use to make said isk. Oh and you have to make them from scratch, and figure what stuff I make isk with, just like everyone else did. We all started out eve poor and found ways to become rich, some moreso than others(looking at you chribba)
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 12441	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:28:00 - [14] - Quote Sure. If all assets and any corp HQs (and of course the wallets and hangars of those corps) located outside of highsec are beyond the reach of the SpaceIRS. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1321	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:29:00 - [15] - Quote Eve's backstory is essentially a gigantic dystopian satire on the horrors of free market capitalism running wild. Massive wealth inequality and the exploitation that goes with it is the whole point. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Operations 3252	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:30:00 - [16] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: It is well known that EVE has a Massive wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. As an American, you CANNOT tax the Rich more than the Poor. Doncha know ? Only the shallow can fully know themselves. - Oscar Wilde
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3142	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:49:00 - [17] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: Eve's backstory is essentially a gigantic dystopian satire on the horrors of free market capitalism running wild. Massive wealth inequality and the exploitation that goes with it is the whole point. Harsh and cold. Except in highsec. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club 833	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:55:00 - [18] - Quote Well. Newbies already enjoy 95% of the devs' attention, I see nothing wrong with making them a little richer at veterans' expense. Clearly, this fits with CCP's development strategy of attracting newbs with shinies while **ing veterans in the *.
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 1046	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:56:00 - [19] - Quote Tippia wrote: Sure. If all assets and any corp HQs (and of course the wallets and hangars of those corps) located outside of highsec are beyond the reach of the SpaceIRS. Nah. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Toku Jiang Jiang Laboratories and Discovery 84	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:56:00 - [20] - Quote Trollalalala lalalala lala

Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1323	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:58:00 - [21] - Quote Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: Well. Newbies already enjoy 95% of the devs' attention, I see nothing wrong with making them a little richer at veterans' expense. Clearly, this fits with CCP's development strategy of attracting newbs with shinies while **ing veterans in the . You are the bitterest of bitter vets. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ***.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
BORRIS DEMONTFORD 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:59:00 - [22] - Quote All taxes should be flat rate and that includes internet space money.
Max Doobie Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 45	Posted - 2013.01.02 21:02:00 - [23] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Thomas Hurt wrote: It is well known that EVE has a Massive wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. And i ask you the same question I ask my countrymen in real life when they suggest such things: Why do you feel entitled to stuff IT worked for. Why not work for your own (or in classic EVE style, scam/steal the utter beejesus out of some careless wealthy idiot)? Must everything be handed to everyone with no effort? Say not to pinko-space-communism. The question is so ludicrous it must be a troll, but I'd also like to know the answer to the question. until we're able to ship EVE jobs to the Chinese and and Indians thus force wages down and create even more of a wealth gap while forcing more people onto government assistance, you cannot with a straight face, compare the two situations, sorry. Please stop watching FOX. Thank you.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3237	Posted - 2013.01.02 21:08:00 - [24] - Quote Penalizing people for having the initiative to succeed is always a bad idea. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Darvaleth Sigma 162	Posted - 2013.01.02 21:08:00 - [25] - Quote It could be a good idea to tax corps based in hisec like that. For Concord-protection, and all that. The corp would be taxed based on the wealth of its players (based on liquid ISK and market-average assets), and would be very, very small. But levied across all of Eve, with the wealthier corps being taxed more (we're talking like 1m per 500m in ISK and assets guys!), it could create quite a lot. Concord could then ration out the ISK to those with a low-enough wealth (calculated as per above) whenever they lose a ship in hisec. Come on, that doesn't sound so bad does it? Billionaires won't miss a couple of million, but a newbie could really do with it. Give a man a match and you warm him for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3237	Posted - 2013.01.02 21:12:00 - [26] - Quote Darvaleth Sigma wrote: It could be a good idea to tax corps based in hisec like that. For Concord-protection, and all that. The corp would be taxed based on the wealth of its players (based on liquid ISK and market-average assets), and would be very, very small. But levied across all of Eve, with the wealthier corps being taxed more (we're talking like 1m per 500m in ISK and assets guys!), it could create quite a lot. Concord could then ration out the ISK to those with a low-enough wealth (calculated as per above) whenever they lose a ship in hisec. Come on, that doesn't sound so bad does it? Billionaires won't miss a couple of million, but a newbie could really do with it. Yes, because we want people to receive government assistance instead of helping them learn how to help themselves. STILL a bad idea. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
HVAC Repairman GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 345	Posted - 2013.01.02 21:39:00 - [27] - Quote i play this game because its a libertarian paradise ron paul 2016 Follow me on twitter
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting 246	Posted - 2013.01.02 22:01:00 - [28] - Quote I collect alms for the poor. Please transfer any amount of ISK into my wallet and I will distribute double of it in 1.0 starter systems. HONESTLY
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 1499	Posted - 2013.01.02 22:07:00 - [29] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: It is well known that EVE has a Massive wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. I would put all my wealth into the form of items, say morphite or high end salvage. I would move said items to an alt. I would allow that alt's wallet to go negative from the tax, never give him any isk. When I wanted some ISK, Id have the alt put some items into a ship, fly to a safe spot and eject. Id then get in the ship, fly to a hub and sell the items. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
sitar seaton State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.01.02 22:27:00 - [30] - Quote There is a difference between income taxes and wealth taxes. IRL we have income taxes, which merely work to prevent poor people from becoming rich. Are there any irl examples of wealth tax?



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