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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sure. If all assets and any corp HQs (and of course the wallets and hangars of those corps) located outside of highsec are beyond the reach of the SpaceIRS.
Excuse me while I move my altcorp's HQ to Bermud... Syndicate.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12443
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:36:00 -
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sitar seaton wrote:There is a difference between income taxes and wealth taxes. IRL we have income taxes, which merely work to prevent poor people from becoming rich.
Are there any irl examples of wealth tax? Property tax.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2488
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:37:00 -
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Free ships for noobs.
To spoil them even further.
Glad you're just trolling.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
94
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:sitar seaton wrote:There is a difference between income taxes and wealth taxes. IRL we have income taxes, which merely work to prevent poor people from becoming rich.
Are there any irl examples of wealth tax? Property tax.
they hurt the poor too. Virginia for example...you pay property tax on cars. Thats funny right there...the car you drive to get to work to pay your taxes generates added taxes. Not like you can't be without one. You can't jsut walk up the shoulder of I-95 to work lol... |
Minerva Zen
Swords of Valor
7
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:56:00 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei.
Well known? Sounds like some people's perception and intuition to me, not facts and figures. I'd LOVE to see someone actually run the numbers on this. is that kind of info even available?
My perception and intuition: I'm almost certain EVE's GINI coefficient among players with at least a month of paid game time is far less than ANY nation-state today with at least 15 million people. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:58:00 -
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Actually were it possible for CCP to implement a progressive taxation system taking into account asset and liquid isk value across an account and then allow corporations to levy a progressive tax based on that wealth, that would be a solid idea. Of course it would be implemented in the NPC corps too, because $*## anyone in an NPC corp with any amount of wealth. |
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:58:00 -
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Oh yes... progressive taxation. Then add VAT and so on and so forth. Eventually there'll be various environmental laws too and it is all fun and games until your fleet gets its finest victory and is fined for littering space with meat popsicles and wrecks. Then you get taxation per AUs flied and you have to have bio break every 5 jumps to stay legal - need it or not.
But seriously speaking, no. People would find ways around it and it would only mean the creation of new EVE business model - tax lawyers. In my short time in this game I have seen much better ideas that would create less hassle for players and developers and might even be fun. This... no, this idea is not good for EVE in my opinion. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:08:00 -
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Anna Karhunen wrote:hur durr
NOPE. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
562
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:24:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Actually were it possible for CCP to implement a progressive taxation system taking into account asset and liquid isk value across an account and then allow corporations to levy a progressive tax based on that wealth, that would be a solid idea. Of course it would be implemented in the NPC corps too, because $*## anyone in an NPC corp with any amount of wealth.
Any tax based upon wealth in assets is oddly punitive toward an individuals ability to guard themselves from loss when compared to a person who isn't as capable at the same isk making capacity. I'm not seeing how this is a positive thing. Really I'm not seeing how a progressive tax at all is positive. |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
2802
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:26:00 -
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Thread becoming an anti-American thread in 3... 2... 1...
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:28:00 -
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Bloody Americans 
But does that mean we can become use our corporations to find loop hole in the tax laws so we in fact don't pay anything?
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Wescro
New Order of Highsec
108
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:44:00 -
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Progressive taxation? What's next, Great Purges of all who oppose the glorious People's Republic of Jita?
On a more serious note, I am against this idea.
Taxes in real life fund the state, which in turn spends some it to give people things they need things but can not earn themselves.
Taxes in Eve are primarily an ISK sink, nothing more. They don't fund anything. If CCP wants to give noobs goodies, it can manifest them from nothing. No reason to punish the hardworking space jews. (Please, I use this term with all due respect for fine members of the Judaic religion).
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
565
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:50:00 -
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lol I have pictured in my head CCP Robin Hood ala "Time Bandits" handing out free stuffz then punching the pilot in the face
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
2528
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:54:00 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.
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sitar seaton
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
Property tax.
property tax only taxes property not wealth. You can have billions in cash, but if you don't own a house or land you pay no property tax, and if you keep the cash out of investments you will have no income and thus pay no tax at all. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
280
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:27:00 -
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I support this in so far as the ISK vanishes into Concord's chained god weapons fund.
And that it is done as a spectrum tax not as a teir. (Check northern Europe codes for reference)
This way you will always make money, and that the higher taxes are offset by the fact you still have a vast amount more.
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Karrl Tian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:27:00 -
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Only if it goes to highsec players in NPC corps.
HVAC Repairman wrote:i play this game because its a libertarian paradise
ron paul 2016
Meh. If EVE really were pure capitalism there would be no bounties, no mission payouts, no isk period. Currency would be solely based on whatever the players started using (I'm thinking Drakes) as money. |
FeralShadow
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
184
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:30:00 -
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No. Giving charity because you want to makes you a good person. Forcing people to share their wealth and giving it to people who have none is exactly why our country is so in debt. It promotes people to not work, and that's what'll happen in eve.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:58:00 -
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sitar seaton wrote:property tax only taxes property GǪwhich is a form of wealth, and property tax is a form of wealth tax.
Wealth comes in many many forms, and just because a given tax doesn't touch one particular form doesn't disqualify it from being a wealth tax if it does indeed nibble away at (or is based on the value of) another. Sure, if it's a tax on net wealth, then cash should be included (along with everything else), but it doesn't have to be net wealth to be a wealth tax.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
1351
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:02:00 -
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Seems fitting that OPs last name is Hurt...could his middle initial be B?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1575
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:16:00 -
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FeralShadow wrote:No. Giving charity because you want to makes you a good person. Forcing people to share their wealth and giving it to people who have none is exactly why our country is so in debt. It promotes people to not work, and that's what'll happen in eve.
Spare some change, man?
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Valentine Arkanian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:23:00 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.
Newbies already get free ships. I've got eight in my hanger. Yeah, they're noob ships, but I don't need more ships that I can't fly yet. |
Charlepetit LaJoie
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:24:00 -
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I say put tollbooths at jump gates. |
Implying Implications
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
290
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:31:00 -
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Obama wont be getting any of my isk.
püåpüÉpüàn+P |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
136
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:31:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Great idea in real life!
If we implement this in EVE, though, I want my very own IRL Rifter.
I'd buy that for a dollar... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2356
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:54:00 -
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Actually such a thing as a progressive tax would serve to drive people out of high sec.
But.....
I would hope that if such a tax was instituted, then highsec becomes 100 percent "safe".
My reasoning being, I see people in RL totally tolerate 10K a year in property taxes, and multiple other taxes on income and services, "just to live in a nice neighborhood".
Such people go an entire life without ever picking up a gun. But when they move out to "the country" and their little fru fru dog gets picked off by coyotes (usually within hours), or they got neighbor kids that'll steal their ATV out of the outbuilding and wreck it for lulz, they suddenly realize they are in lowsec. They sooner get a gun than go back to paying 90 percent of their income.
So it would not make sense to have a high progressive tax (in high sec) yet everybody can still have turrets and need to tank.
So, a complete de-balling of high sec, for a price, will serve to drive out everybody but the noobs.
Yes, even the high-sec gankbears would have to pack it up.
Sounds dumb? Because it is. And yes I be trolling. |
Thomas Hurt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.03 02:09:00 -
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It's sad to see the Paulites and the Randians come out of the woodwork in such force, but I guess that's what you get for going on the internet. *Sigh*
smdh |
Max Doobie
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
47
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Posted - 2013.01.03 02:33:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Free ships for noobs.
To spoil them even further.
Glad you're just trolling.
They...already...get....free...ships...
....yeeeah... |
Max Doobie
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
47
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Posted - 2013.01.03 02:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:sitar seaton wrote:property tax only taxes property GǪwhich is a form of wealth, and property tax is a form of wealth tax. Wealth comes in many many forms, and just because a given tax doesn't touch one particular form doesn't disqualify it from being a wealth tax if it does indeed nibble away at (or is based on the value of) another. Sure, if it's a tax on net wealth, then cash should be included (along with everything else), but it doesn't have to be net wealth to be a wealth tax.
BRAIN ASPLODE FROMZ DAH LOGIC-STUFFS GAAAAAAH!!! |
stoicfaux
2173
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Posted - 2013.01.03 04:11:00 -
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I think the OP should know that the only people who went through the dangerous Eve Gate wormhole on a one way trip to colonize harsh and uncaring worlds from the ground up aren't the type to allow the government to redistribute all their hard-earned stuff to newbies/slackers.
On a side note, does anyone really take the "Gallente are French descendants" lore seriously? CCP might as well have said that the Gallente are descendants of Greece.
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