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Thomas Hurt
The Scope Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:08:00 -
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It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
2026
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:09:00 -
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Equality? In my EVE? The Drake is a Lie |
Akiyo Mayaki
Industrial Justice Corporation
81
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:11:00 -
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No. EVE is harsh and cold. Money comes to those who are willing to earn it and power to those who risk everything to claim it. "By the better angles of our nature.." |
Rath Kelbore
Eviscerate.
353
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:11:00 -
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lol I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1084
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:13:00 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.
And i ask you the same question I ask my countrymen in real life when they suggest such things: Why do you feel entitled to stuff IT worked for. Why not work for your own (or in classic EVE style, scam/steal the utter beejesus out of some careless wealthy idiot)? Must everything be handed to everyone with no effort?
Say not to pinko-space-communism.
The question is so ludicrous it must be a troll, but I'd also like to know the answer to the question. |
Katherine Jasmone
14
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:15:00 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.
Mothertrucking commie!
Yes , I am an alt. Yes, you may put a bounty on me. Yes, I am a forumwarrior/troll. Yes, I have a life. No, I am not posting with my main. Why paint a target on my back? :) |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
995
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:15:00 -
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I'd like some of what the OP is smoking.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Atticus Lowa
Lowa Corp Industries and Security
23
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:16:00 -
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uhh, the difference between eve and real life, is that in eve EVERYONE has a chance to become wealthy in real life not everyone gets rich, that's why in RL we have progressive taxes to negate the problem. here its not a problem that cannot be surmounted |
Hannah Flex
Elite Market PvP Consortium
49
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:17:00 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.
GET OUTTA MY EVE OBAMA |
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
278
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:17:00 -
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i support OP untill the point im rich enough to tell him his idea is stupid |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1085
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:19:00 -
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Hannah Flex wrote:Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. GET OUTTA MY EVE OBAMA
ROFL
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1119
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:21:00 -
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Great idea in real life!
If we implement this in EVE, though, I want my very own IRL Rifter. |
Mathrin
Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems
52
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:25:00 -
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You can have all my isk if you can figure out all the spreadsheets I use to make said isk. Oh and you have to make them from scratch, and figure what stuff I make isk with, just like everyone else did. We all started out eve poor and found ways to become rich, some moreso than others(looking at you chribba) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12441
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:28:00 -
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Sure. If all assets and any corp HQs (and of course the wallets and hangars of those corps) located outside of highsec are beyond the reach of the SpaceIRS. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1321
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:29:00 -
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Eve's backstory is essentially a gigantic dystopian satire on the horrors of free market capitalism running wild.
Massive wealth inequality and the exploitation that goes with it is the whole point. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3252
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:30:00 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.
As an American, you CANNOT tax the Rich more than the Poor. Doncha know ? Only the shallow can fully know themselves. - Oscar Wilde |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3142
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:49:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Eve's backstory is essentially a gigantic dystopian satire on the horrors of free market capitalism running wild.
Massive wealth inequality and the exploitation that goes with it is the whole point. Harsh and cold.
Except in highsec. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
833
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:55:00 -
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Well. Newbies already enjoy 95% of the devs' attention, I see nothing wrong with making them a little richer at veterans' expense. Clearly, this fits with CCP's development strategy of attracting newbs with shinies while ****ing veterans in the ***. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1046
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sure. If all assets and any corp HQs (and of course the wallets and hangars of those corps) located outside of highsec are beyond the reach of the SpaceIRS.
Nah.
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Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
84
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:56:00 -
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Trollalalala lalalala lala |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1323
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:58:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Well. Newbies already enjoy 95% of the devs' attention, I see nothing wrong with making them a little richer at veterans' expense. Clearly, this fits with CCP's development strategy of attracting newbs with shinies while ****ing veterans in the ***.
You are the bitterest of bitter vets. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
BORRIS DEMONTFORD
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.01.02 20:59:00 -
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All taxes should be flat rate and that includes internet space money. |
Max Doobie
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
45
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Posted - 2013.01.02 21:02:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. And i ask you the same question I ask my countrymen in real life when they suggest such things: Why do you feel entitled to stuff IT worked for. Why not work for your own (or in classic EVE style, scam/steal the utter beejesus out of some careless wealthy idiot)? Must everything be handed to everyone with no effort? Say not to pinko-space-communism. The question is so ludicrous it must be a troll, but I'd also like to know the answer to the question.
until we're able to ship EVE jobs to the Chinese and and Indians thus force wages down and create even more of a wealth gap while forcing more people onto government assistance, you cannot with a straight face, compare the two situations, sorry.
Please stop watching FOX.
Thank you. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3237
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Posted - 2013.01.02 21:08:00 -
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Penalizing people for having the initiative to succeed is always a bad idea. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Darvaleth Sigma
162
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Posted - 2013.01.02 21:08:00 -
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It could be a good idea to tax corps based in hisec like that. For Concord-protection, and all that. The corp would be taxed based on the wealth of its players (based on liquid ISK and market-average assets), and would be very, very small. But levied across all of Eve, with the wealthier corps being taxed more (we're talking like 1m per 500m in ISK and assets guys!), it could create quite a lot.
Concord could then ration out the ISK to those with a low-enough wealth (calculated as per above) whenever they lose a ship in hisec.
Come on, that doesn't sound so bad does it? Billionaires won't miss a couple of million, but a newbie could really do with it. Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3237
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Posted - 2013.01.02 21:12:00 -
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Darvaleth Sigma wrote:It could be a good idea to tax corps based in hisec like that. For Concord-protection, and all that. The corp would be taxed based on the wealth of its players (based on liquid ISK and market-average assets), and would be very, very small. But levied across all of Eve, with the wealthier corps being taxed more (we're talking like 1m per 500m in ISK and assets guys!), it could create quite a lot.
Concord could then ration out the ISK to those with a low-enough wealth (calculated as per above) whenever they lose a ship in hisec.
Come on, that doesn't sound so bad does it? Billionaires won't miss a couple of million, but a newbie could really do with it. Yes, because we want people to receive government assistance instead of helping them learn how to help themselves.
STILL a bad idea. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
345
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Posted - 2013.01.02 21:39:00 -
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i play this game because its a libertarian paradise
ron paul 2016 Follow me on twitter |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
246
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:01:00 -
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I collect alms for the poor. Please transfer any amount of ISK into my wallet and I will distribute double of it in 1.0 starter systems.
HONESTLY |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1499
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:07:00 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. I would put all my wealth into the form of items, say morphite or high end salvage. I would move said items to an alt. I would allow that alt's wallet to go negative from the tax, never give him any isk. When I wanted some ISK, Id have the alt put some items into a ship, fly to a safe spot and eject. Id then get in the ship, fly to a hub and sell the items.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
sitar seaton
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:27:00 -
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There is a difference between income taxes and wealth taxes. IRL we have income taxes, which merely work to prevent poor people from becoming rich.
Are there any irl examples of wealth tax? |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2258
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sure. If all assets and any corp HQs (and of course the wallets and hangars of those corps) located outside of highsec are beyond the reach of the SpaceIRS.
Excuse me while I move my altcorp's HQ to Bermud... Syndicate. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12443
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:36:00 -
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sitar seaton wrote:There is a difference between income taxes and wealth taxes. IRL we have income taxes, which merely work to prevent poor people from becoming rich.
Are there any irl examples of wealth tax? Property tax. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2488
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:37:00 -
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Free ships for noobs. To spoil them even further.
Glad you're just trolling. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
94
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:sitar seaton wrote:There is a difference between income taxes and wealth taxes. IRL we have income taxes, which merely work to prevent poor people from becoming rich.
Are there any irl examples of wealth tax? Property tax.
they hurt the poor too. Virginia for example...you pay property tax on cars. Thats funny right there...the car you drive to get to work to pay your taxes generates added taxes. Not like you can't be without one. You can't jsut walk up the shoulder of I-95 to work lol... |
Minerva Zen
Swords of Valor
7
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:56:00 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei.
Well known? Sounds like some people's perception and intuition to me, not facts and figures. I'd LOVE to see someone actually run the numbers on this. is that kind of info even available?
My perception and intuition: I'm almost certain EVE's GINI coefficient among players with at least a month of paid game time is far less than ANY nation-state today with at least 15 million people. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:58:00 -
[36] - Quote
Actually were it possible for CCP to implement a progressive taxation system taking into account asset and liquid isk value across an account and then allow corporations to levy a progressive tax based on that wealth, that would be a solid idea. Of course it would be implemented in the NPC corps too, because $*## anyone in an NPC corp with any amount of wealth. |
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
23
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:58:00 -
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Oh yes... progressive taxation. Then add VAT and so on and so forth. Eventually there'll be various environmental laws too and it is all fun and games until your fleet gets its finest victory and is fined for littering space with meat popsicles and wrecks. Then you get taxation per AUs flied and you have to have bio break every 5 jumps to stay legal - need it or not.
But seriously speaking, no. People would find ways around it and it would only mean the creation of new EVE business model - tax lawyers. In my short time in this game I have seen much better ideas that would create less hassle for players and developers and might even be fun. This... no, this idea is not good for EVE in my opinion. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:08:00 -
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Anna Karhunen wrote:hur durr NOPE. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
562
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:24:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Actually were it possible for CCP to implement a progressive taxation system taking into account asset and liquid isk value across an account and then allow corporations to levy a progressive tax based on that wealth, that would be a solid idea. Of course it would be implemented in the NPC corps too, because $*## anyone in an NPC corp with any amount of wealth. Any tax based upon wealth in assets is oddly punitive toward an individuals ability to guard themselves from loss when compared to a person who isn't as capable at the same isk making capacity. I'm not seeing how this is a positive thing. Really I'm not seeing how a progressive tax at all is positive. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
2802
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:26:00 -
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Thread becoming an anti-American thread in 3... 2... 1...
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1574
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:28:00 -
[41] - Quote
Bloody Americans
But does that mean we can become use our corporations to find loop hole in the tax laws so we in fact don't pay anything?
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Wescro
New Order of Highsec
108
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:44:00 -
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Progressive taxation? What's next, Great Purges of all who oppose the glorious People's Republic of Jita?
On a more serious note, I am against this idea.
Taxes in real life fund the state, which in turn spends some it to give people things they need things but can not earn themselves.
Taxes in Eve are primarily an ISK sink, nothing more. They don't fund anything. If CCP wants to give noobs goodies, it can manifest them from nothing. No reason to punish the hardworking space jews. (Please, I use this term with all due respect for fine members of the Judaic religion). You have a keyboard. Use it, or lose your mining ship.http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
565
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:50:00 -
[43] - Quote
lol I have pictured in my head CCP Robin Hood ala "Time Bandits" handing out free stuffz then punching the pilot in the face OUR LOGS SHOW NOTHING |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2528
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:54:00 -
[44] - Quote
Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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sitar seaton
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Property tax.
property tax only taxes property not wealth. You can have billions in cash, but if you don't own a house or land you pay no property tax, and if you keep the cash out of investments you will have no income and thus pay no tax at all. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
280
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:27:00 -
[46] - Quote
I support this in so far as the ISK vanishes into Concord's chained god weapons fund. And that it is done as a spectrum tax not as a teir. (Check northern Europe codes for reference) This way you will always make money, and that the higher taxes are offset by the fact you still have a vast amount more.
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Karrl Tian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:27:00 -
[47] - Quote
Only if it goes to highsec players in NPC corps.
HVAC Repairman wrote:i play this game because its a libertarian paradise
ron paul 2016
Meh. If EVE really were pure capitalism there would be no bounties, no mission payouts, no isk period. Currency would be solely based on whatever the players started using (I'm thinking Drakes) as money. |
FeralShadow
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
184
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:30:00 -
[48] - Quote
No. Giving charity because you want to makes you a good person. Forcing people to share their wealth and giving it to people who have none is exactly why our country is so in debt. It promotes people to not work, and that's what'll happen in eve. Shift click to open new window. How the Eve Sandbox Works:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176 "I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12444
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:58:00 -
[49] - Quote
sitar seaton wrote:property tax only taxes property GǪwhich is a form of wealth, and property tax is a form of wealth tax.
Wealth comes in many many forms, and just because a given tax doesn't touch one particular form doesn't disqualify it from being a wealth tax if it does indeed nibble away at (or is based on the value of) another. Sure, if it's a tax on net wealth, then cash should be included (along with everything else), but it doesn't have to be net wealth to be a wealth tax. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
1351
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:02:00 -
[50] - Quote
Seems fitting that OPs last name is Hurt...could his middle initial be B? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1575
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:16:00 -
[51] - Quote
FeralShadow wrote:No. Giving charity because you want to makes you a good person. Forcing people to share their wealth and giving it to people who have none is exactly why our country is so in debt. It promotes people to not work, and that's what'll happen in eve. Spare some change, man? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Valentine Arkanian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:23:00 -
[52] - Quote
Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. Newbies already get free ships. I've got eight in my hanger. Yeah, they're noob ships, but I don't need more ships that I can't fly yet. |
Charlepetit LaJoie
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:24:00 -
[53] - Quote
I say put tollbooths at jump gates. |
Implying Implications
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
290
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:31:00 -
[54] - Quote
Obama wont be getting any of my isk. püåpüÉpüàn+P |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
136
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:31:00 -
[55] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Great idea in real life!
If we implement this in EVE, though, I want my very own IRL Rifter.
I'd buy that for a dollar... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2356
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:54:00 -
[56] - Quote
Actually such a thing as a progressive tax would serve to drive people out of high sec.
But.....
I would hope that if such a tax was instituted, then highsec becomes 100 percent "safe".
My reasoning being, I see people in RL totally tolerate 10K a year in property taxes, and multiple other taxes on income and services, "just to live in a nice neighborhood".
Such people go an entire life without ever picking up a gun. But when they move out to "the country" and their little fru fru dog gets picked off by coyotes (usually within hours), or they got neighbor kids that'll steal their ATV out of the outbuilding and wreck it for lulz, they suddenly realize they are in lowsec. They sooner get a gun than go back to paying 90 percent of their income.
So it would not make sense to have a high progressive tax (in high sec) yet everybody can still have turrets and need to tank.
So, a complete de-balling of high sec, for a price, will serve to drive out everybody but the noobs.
Yes, even the high-sec gankbears would have to pack it up.
Sounds dumb? Because it is. And yes I be trolling. |
Thomas Hurt
The Scope Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.01.03 02:09:00 -
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It's sad to see the Paulites and the Randians come out of the woodwork in such force, but I guess that's what you get for going on the internet. *Sigh*
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Max Doobie
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
47
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Posted - 2013.01.03 02:33:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Free ships for noobs. To spoil them even further.
Glad you're just trolling.
They...already...get....free...ships...
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Max Doobie
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.03 02:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:sitar seaton wrote:property tax only taxes property GǪwhich is a form of wealth, and property tax is a form of wealth tax. Wealth comes in many many forms, and just because a given tax doesn't touch one particular form doesn't disqualify it from being a wealth tax if it does indeed nibble away at (or is based on the value of) another. Sure, if it's a tax on net wealth, then cash should be included (along with everything else), but it doesn't have to be net wealth to be a wealth tax.
BRAIN ASPLODE FROMZ DAH LOGIC-STUFFS GAAAAAAH!!! |
stoicfaux
2173
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Posted - 2013.01.03 04:11:00 -
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I think the OP should know that the only people who went through the dangerous Eve Gate wormhole on a one way trip to colonize harsh and uncaring worlds from the ground up aren't the type to allow the government to redistribute all their hard-earned stuff to newbies/slackers.
On a side note, does anyone really take the "Gallente are French descendants" lore seriously? CCP might as well have said that the Gallente are descendants of Greece.
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stoicfaux
2173
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Posted - 2013.01.03 04:16:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: My reasoning being, I see people in RL totally tolerate 10K a year in property taxes, and multiple other taxes on income and services, "just to live in a nice neighborhood".
Schools are funded by property taxes. Better schools == better citizens2be == safer community.
It's when you pay high property taxes and of the kids that enter the local high school, only one in three graduates, that you have a real problem.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6081
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Posted - 2013.01.03 04:23:00 -
[62] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:
On a side note, does anyone really take the "Gallente are French descendants" lore seriously? CCP might as well have said that the Gallente are descendants of Greece.
the drones are like the foreign legion... the only way for the French to hurt anyone "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Valentine Arkanian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.03 05:11:00 -
[63] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:On a side note, does anyone really take the "Gallente are French descendants" lore seriously? CCP might as well have said that the Gallente are descendants of Greece. I'm FRENCH?! The hell?
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
565
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Posted - 2013.01.03 05:48:00 -
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I'm surprised noone's mentioned a higher Death Tax for everytime you die In EVE the estate tax is very progressive in the form of clone grades OUR LOGS SHOW NOTHING |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2261
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Posted - 2013.01.03 05:50:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:In EVE the estate tax is very progressive in the form of clone grades
Except that it's not progressive by income, it's progressive by age. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
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Ris Dnalor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
416
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Posted - 2013.01.03 06:35:00 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.
Eve is a sandbox.
Join one of these rich alliances, work your way to the top. Steal everything, then donate to newbs.
no need for CCP to do this, the tools to get it done are already in-game.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2041
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Posted - 2013.01.03 07:14:00 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.
Tl;dr
I'm too lazy to do something about Goons & want CCP to do it for me. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable |
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
4805
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Posted - 2013.01.03 07:19:00 -
[68] - Quote
Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.
HELL NO!
Get off my Eve and stop pissing me off!
It's bad enough to have to live with this crap in real life then you bring it into our game play.
.... everyone else... please excuse me for yelling. This guy is an idiot. *GLOMP* with your AltGäó-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3144
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Posted - 2013.01.03 07:33:00 -
[69] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Thomas Hurt wrote:It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game. Tl;dr I'm too lazy to do something about Goons & want CCP to do it for me. We already give our newbies free ships.
But I know, you want the NPCs to do it FOR YOU. Like how NPCs protect you and NPC stations, wow NPCs are amazing. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3877
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Posted - 2013.01.03 09:09:00 -
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Forum Rules wrote:
7. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums.
Thread locked for breach of the above rule. Also please note that discussion of real life politics is not allowed on these forums - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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