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SinBin	Posted - 2005.06.11 15:42:00 - [31] Best add, I disagree with the main post cos hes trying to get aload of us to push ccp with the I quit button witch is well lame & even lamer if just over instas. But the insta fixing again is due to pvpers wineing & playing into there hands, we do wine the most for shure yet i think bring the laest to the growth of eve. I see the " dont take what ya cant afford " being poked at everyone now industs/ratter & if we truely stuck to that line of thinking then most would never have left there home system & if your taking only what ya dont give a crap about into battle then it is CS in space aint it ?. The pvper thats me to are the big talker & can adapt the easist to change, so poke us ccp & give the carebares some hope. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
Embattle	Posted - 2005.06.11 15:58:00 - [32] I find the changes read as insteresting. Some of the changes will actually affect me, such as the missile changes but most of them won't affect me in any real annoying way. However I'll reserve my judgement on them until at least one month after they've implemented the actual patch.
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2005.06.11 16:22:00 - [33] i wont leave yet, there have to be some truly horrific changes to make me leave, I.E if soloing' becomes completly impossible. and to all those people who call the missle changes "improvements" its all based on your perception (not the attribute), if you use missles often as an agent runner to hit frigs, then heck yes its a nerf, as the "improvement" part is made for teh pvp. if you dont use missles for missions, you wont know wtf. So do not be so bloody quick to call something "improvements" just because it improves it for you. this here's mah sig': My Quote: "You can call me a carebear all you want, but your still an arrogant slimeball"
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.06.11 16:28:00 - [34] Originally by: Gamer4liff i wont leave yet, there have to be some truly horrific changes to make me leave, I.E if soloing' becomes completly impossible. and to all those people who call the missle changes "improvements" its all based on your perception (not the attribute), if you use missles often as an agent runner to hit frigs, then heck yes its a nerf, as the "improvement" part is made for teh pvp. if you dont use missles for missions, you wont know wtf. So do not be so bloody quick to call something "improvements" just because it improves it for you. Dude have you heard of smartbombs and target painters? The only thing the missile overhaul is going to affect is that you might have to fit a target painter or maybe a smartbomb. I don't see it as a worldshattering change. Lvl 4 missions are already too easy the loss of one mid or highslot for an extra module isnt going to change the game by a lot. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!! In the Immortal words of Kayosoni (and where applicable) "This thread sucks. 2 Newb corps trying to make themselves look good... ugh"
Bazman	Posted - 2005.06.11 16:35:00 - [35] Change makes the game more fun! Personally i'm looking forward to the changes with the next patch. All ccp need to do now is figure out how to make frigate class blaster ships not useless, huzzah!
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2005.06.11 16:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Gamer4liff i wont leave yet, there have to be some truly horrific changes to make me leave, I.E if soloing' becomes completly impossible. and to all those people who call the missle changes "improvements" its all based on your perception (not the attribute), if you use missles often as an agent runner to hit frigs, then heck yes its a nerf, as the "improvement" part is made for teh pvp. if you dont use missles for missions, you wont know wtf. So do not be so bloody quick to call something "improvements" just because it improves it for you. Dude have you heard of smartbombs and target painters? The only thing the missile overhaul is going to affect is that you might have to fit a target painter or maybe a smartbomb. I don't see it as a worldshattering change. Lvl 4 missions are already too easy the loss of one mid or highslot for an extra module isnt going to change the game by a lot. yeah, it will. and all the target painters in the world wont make torps do more than 50 dmg to frigs a hit. but yeah smartbombs maybe. this here's mah sig': My Quote: "You can call me a carebear all you want, but your still an arrogant slimeball"
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.06.11 16:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Viceroy The sky is falling! The sky is falling! QUICK LETS RUN FOR THE HILLS !!!!!! OMFG! LET'S RUN!!!!! ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Kait	Posted - 2005.06.11 16:45:00 - [38] Sigh, you people complain and worry too much, there has and will always be the pre-patch jitters, the week of complaining after the patch, and then everyone will adjust and say "hey this is pretty cool".
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.11 16:50:00 - [39] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Viceroy The sky is falling! The sky is falling! QUICK LETS RUN FOR THE HILLS !!!!!! OMFG! LET'S RUN!!!!! Umm...didn't you read the Dev Blog? CCP is nerfing the hills to make them all flat. OMFGQUITXORZ!!!!!! "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2005.06.11 16:53:00 - [40] Boo Hoo Pls quit __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
sableye	Posted - 2005.06.11 17:00:00 - [41] Originally by: Neon Genesis Boo Hoo Pls quit yes why don't we all quit I'm sure that would make the game great........
Enemy	Posted - 2005.06.11 17:15:00 - [42] I dont care what they change, im not gonna quit due to some minor thing that you all think needs to exist i.e. instas, I prefer to adapt to the new enviroment rather then complain and leave cuase I think someone is gonna notice and change things back. Everything that they are changing is fine as far as im concerned. p.s. if your one of the ppl that feels the need to leave just remember....your a 15 dollar tree in the middle of a 150,000 dollar forest, noones gonna notice.....so dont come here and give us a post (noone cares) sorry if it seems flamy but thats how i feel about it
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.11 17:25:00 - [43] And if you are leaving because of these patches: Can I have your stuff? "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
Alberto	Posted - 2005.06.11 17:27:00 - [44] Look this is not just a game its ôEveö win buttons are not welcome but using your brains is highly recommended k. Also itÆs the die hard eve customers that funds eve in the long run players who care about eve and its multifaceted world. So take your win buttons and grab all your accounts and quit! ****ing off society one dumba$$ at a time
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.06.11 17:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Corvus Dove CCP IS NOT LOSING CUSTOMERS LEFT AND RIGHT, AND SAYING THEY ARE JUST TO GIVE YOUR ARGUMENT SOME CREDIBILITY MAKES YOU SOUND LIKE AN IMBECILE . Phew. Now I feel better. Agreed and thread starter is pwned. I may purchase a couple more accounts if this pans out nicely enough actually. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2005.06.11 17:39:00 - [46] they aready did the big nerf **** off i had. i never agreed with them skilling up the abilitys of jamming. jamming is low tec and did not need too be turnd into what it is now. i can still rember some highly skill up players saying why should less skilled players beable too have a chance at betting us. the could not understand what i was trying too say back too them. that ever player should have the right too a working defance even against stronger players or corps. this game is not much of a even playing feild realy. so if i quit it will proble be more for the rules of combat in this game rather then their nerfs. my first 4 months of this game where played totaly without instas, and i did just fine.
Sharilyn	Posted - 2005.06.11 17:41:00 - [47] Originally by: SPIONKOP My worry is that CCP are moving Eve in a direction that all but the simplist tasks require you to be a huge corp/alliance to achieve anything and the small corps/solo players don't get a look in. I tried large corps, I tried Alliances and it don't work for me, but I appreciate it works for many of you. I am not interested in claiming any region of 0.0 space, I do not want the politcs, corruption and hassal associated with large corps/alliances. The people in my corp I trust and we have a laugh, take the **** and help each other out when we can. [/quote Those are most of the reasons I did quit this week. It wasn't just one thing like the Insta discussion. Most of the little changes and a big change or two added up to not much fun anymore. So I did it; 2 accounts and 4 characters terminated. 1 1-mil, 2 7-mil and 1 18 mil skill point characters. The Eve addiction is wearing off. CCP's latest viewpoint is to cater to one kind of player, at the cost to other playstyles. I hope the game lasts for all of you still out there. But I really think CCP is UNINTENTIONALLY forcing players to make a choice and its not whether to go to 0.0 but whether to stay in the game at all (carebear view). I also wonder if the influx of new players are just replacements for those that have already left. Anyway good luck to you all, even the forum trolls
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.11 18:11:00 - [48] Originally by: Finix Jaeger /me sings Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves. Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip**s. Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will cuz I sure could use a vacation from this Silly , stupid **... Learn to swim... I want Maynards babies This desk job has increased my forum whoring by about 300%. God help you all.
SinBin	Posted - 2005.06.11 18:12:00 - [49] I love that the bulk of pvpers can only flame such posts, never contructive. Enslaver I saw you post all your alt & also your allways posting that ccp need to add more trail accounts, hmmm. I dont like peeps using the i quit button to win its poor effort but there is some good posts here NOT wines but some are. I see them poor posts about people spending 2.5 yaers waiting on a bpo doing low end agent work, yet i was mowning about a few months on the election junk, I feel for you guys that have spent so long & got little to no attention cos the pvper are so good at taking the spotlight & out wining ya. Look at the past what nerfs/wines we got, EW, geddons/amarr, daulMWD, bubbles, instas, level4s, logging, ssing, modstacking there almost all from the pvpers side of the fence most carebaers dont even now what half of um are im shure there is more, so pvper stop wineing & play an hour of CS before ya come into eve or as you say *******. You cant defend a system from a moon ccp death happens at gates & belts, nice outpost to sit in safe wile we claen up who again is that for ?. I best admit im a gemini so sit nicely both side of the fence but i relise recent with my forum overuse its the pvper who make the most noise, out niose carebares & flame/spam there posts shut. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
slip66	Posted - 2005.06.11 18:25:00 - [50] You know there was a time when there were no instas.... This is the only gamne I have ever played where I could make a short cut that lands me onto my destination. Every other game I had to "travel" taking "risk" while doing so.
Woopie	Posted - 2005.06.11 18:28:00 - [51] If/once insta and missile changes go through I can see me and my friends playing even more. In my honest option I think getting rid of people that can not handle minor balance changes is just for the good. Stronger and more stable community and all that. Threatening to quit just because you don't like something is just silly.
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.11 18:37:00 - [52] Originally by: SinBin I love that the bulk of pvpers can only flame such posts, never contructive. That's mostly because these posts are only destructive to begin with. They sum up to "OMFG I PH34R CHANGE!!!!! If I don't get my way, I'm going to cancel like 5000 other people who don't exist 'cept in my own lil world are going to!!!!! CANCEL4TWR0X0RZ!!!!!" It's bad for morale in the community, it's threatening CCP with something you can't control just because you think somehow you're special and can park in handicap spots without tags, and the subject matter is basically ***ing about something that we really can't predict what it'll be like until THE PATCH HAS ALREADY BEEN APPLIED so it's negativity for nothing. So flaming a post like this and totally destroying the credibility of the author is pretty much the most constructive thing that can happen. "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"**
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.11 18:39:00 - [53] Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Finix Jaeger /me sings Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves. Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip**s. Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will cuz I sure could use a vacation from this Silly , stupid ... Learn to swim... I want Maynards babies Mom's gonna put it all back the way it oughta be..... (Mom being a siege launcher). "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"**
sableye	Posted - 2005.06.11 18:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Woopie If/once insta and missile changes go through I can see me and my friends playing even more. In my honest option I think getting rid of people that can not handle minor balance changes is just for the good. Stronger and more stable community and all that. Threatening to quit just because you don't like something is just silly. you say minor balance changes but when these changes take all the fun out of eve for you how can they be minor changes.
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.11 18:47:00 - [55] Originally by: sableye Originally by: Woopie If/once insta and missile changes go through I can see me and my friends playing even more. In my honest option I think getting rid of people that can not handle minor balance changes is just for the good. Stronger and more stable community and all that. Threatening to quit just because you don't like something is just silly. you say minor balance changes but when these changes take all the fun out of eve for you how can they be minor changes. When Battleships first came online, they were the fastest ships in the game (realistic). Was fun for BS pilots and only BS pilots. Nerf. Did all the BS pilots quit the game? ::looks around:: Nope. They really need a pull-your-head-out-of-your-arse emoticon. As the above quote suggests, learn to swim. If not, I do really want your stuff. I'll have fun after the new changes, I'm looking forward to them, so if you won't be needing your gear/ISK..... "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
Al Thorr	Posted - 2005.06.11 18:50:00 - [56] Isnt this simply another form of Darwinian evolution? Adaptation v extinction. Yup eve has it all Regards Al Thorr I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape
Toolbert	Posted - 2005.06.11 18:58:00 - [57] Edited by: Toolbert on 11/06/2005 18:59:47 I don't think CCP would want anyone quitting period, and i'm sure they would be sorry if you decided to quit because you no longer got any enjoyment out of the game. I really don't get the hostility in this thread. We should all know by now what patchs that bring large change to the game can do. The combat upgrade to Starwars Galaxies anyone? Lots of people quit that game over that one. Changes are frustrating, and when patchs force people to play a new play style then it is understandable when they are going to get frustrated and say they will or might quit. So try to have a little understanding and don't flame people who don't enjoy these changes. Just because you are ok with them doesn't mean others are too. I've had my fair share of moments with quitting a mmorpg over horrible design changes. I would like to think the developers know more about their mmorpg then the players, they did after all design it, but in truth the players know more about the game then the developers. That is why they have test servers and rely on us, we play the game more then they do, they just put in the code and make changes and pray it all works. It gets tiring when we tell them though that this and that doesn't work and yet they don't listen. This change to missiles sounds like a horrible idea and will force people to change play styles. I just think telling people to deal with it is lame, immature, and adds nothing. If you aren't in the same boat as the other person then you really shouldnt even comment because you don't understand. I don't do pvp, I play a miner and hauler, but I do I tell people to deal with it when a change effects them? No. What is the point?
Rei Storm	Posted - 2005.06.11 19:18:00 - [58] Originally by: Corvus Dove Originally by: SinBin I love that the bulk of pvpers can only flame such posts, never contructive. That's mostly because these posts are only destructive to begin with. They sum up to "OMFG I PH34R CHANGE!!!!! If I don't get my way, I'm going to cancel like 5000 other people who don't exist 'cept in my own lil world are going to!!!!! CANCEL4TWR0X0RZ!!!!!" It's bad for morale in the community, it's threatening CCP with something you can't control just because you think somehow you're special and can park in handicap spots without tags, and the subject matter is basically *****ing about something that we really can't predict what it'll be like until THE PATCH HAS ALREADY BEEN APPLIED so it's negativity for nothing. So flaming a post like this and totally destroying the credibility of the author is pretty much the most constructive thing that can happen. Well bloody said, tbvfh! ----------------------------- I hate to advocate sex, drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone... But they've always works for me...
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.06.11 19:33:00 - [59] WTF? Missile changes are making missiles better, not worse. Why would you quit? -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.11 19:35:00 - [60] Originally by: Sharilyn Originally by: SPIONKOP My worry is that CCP are moving Eve in a direction that all but the simplist tasks require you to be a huge corp/alliance to achieve anything and the small corps/solo players don't get a look in. I tried large corps, I tried Alliances and it don't work for me, but I appreciate it works for many of you. I am not interested in claiming any region of 0.0 space, I do not want the politcs, corruption and hassal associated with large corps/alliances. The people in my corp I trust and we have a laugh, take the ** and help each other out when we can. [/quote Those are most of the reasons I did quit this week. It wasn't just one thing like the Insta discussion. Most of the little changes and a big change or two added up to not much fun anymore. So I did it; 2 accounts and 4 characters terminated. 1 1-mil, 2 7-mil and 1 18 mil skill point characters. The Eve addiction is wearing off. CCP's latest viewpoint is to cater to one kind of player, at the cost to other playstyles. I hope the game lasts for all of you still out there. But I really think CCP is UNINTENTIONALLY forcing players to make a choice and its not whether to go to 0.0 but whether to stay in the game at all (carebear view). I also wonder if the influx of new players are just replacements for those that have already left. Anyway good luck to you all, even the forum trolls Mey m8, sorry to see you go actually, but if you still have access to the charries (in other words, recycle isn't done or you're still in the billing loop), can I seriously have your stuff? I'm only at 2m+ SP and most of my corpies haven't even hit 1mil sp yet (they think 500k is a lot of money). Newbs could really use this stuff and us inevitably either using it, selling it, or recycling it would help the regional economy a bit. "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"**

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