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WarRocket Ajax
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:36:00 -
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I'm just curious with the forthcoming changes how many players are strongly considering to quit the game ?
Me personally, i have 3 accounts and the nerfs affect my gameplay to returning to 1.0 mining veldspar or pirating on gates (hehe no instas).
SERIOUSLY though. If you are considering leaving Eve because of TOO MUCH tweaking please post on this and maybe CCP will get an idea of exactly how many CUSTOMERS they are losing.
NO FLAMES PLEASE THIS POST COULD PROVE VERY INTERESTING
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:40:00 -
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 Originally by: WarRocket Ajax
I'm just curious with the forthcoming changes how many players are strongly considering to quit the game ?
Me personally, i have 3 accounts and the nerfs affect my gameplay to returning to 1.0 mining veldspar or pirating on gates (hehe no instas).
SERIOUSLY though. If you are considering leaving Eve because of TOO MUCH tweaking please post on this and maybe CCP will get an idea of exactly how many CUSTOMERS they are losing.
NO FLAMES PLEASE THIS POST COULD PROVE VERY INTERESTING
Perhaps waiting to see what CCP proposes as a replacement to instas would be a better idea? Its pretty clear they want to remove insta bookmarks, but it sounds like they want to provide an alternative as well.
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Supermonkey
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:40:00 -
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I'm going to reactivate all my other 7 accounts because of the upcoming changes. That means 7 of you can quit, no problem.
Tweaking is needed and CCP finally started to do it right.
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:41:00 -
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What?
I dont get it.
Missile changes is the latest change I've heard about and changing how instas work is being discussed. Are there any more earthshattering changes that I've missed?
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Supermonkey
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:42:00 -
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NO FLAMES PLEASE THIS POST COULD PROVE VERY INTERESTING
For that you have to make a constructive post first, saying I will quit because I don't like changes is NOT constructive it sounds like a threat attempt which you hear a lot (mostly from lvl4 agent runners) nowadays.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:47:00 -
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 The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Viceroy
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
QUICK LETS RUN FOR THE HILLS !!!!!!
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
In the Immortal words of Kayosoni (and where applicable)
"This thread sucks. 2 Newb corps trying to make themselves look good... ugh"
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WarRocket Ajax
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:49:00 -
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Missile nerfing - 0.0 becomes a fleet affair, no ratting, no mining, no pos, no pos fuel requirements, moon mining.
Rats can call for help from other belts...impossible to play solo or for small corps.
No insta's = camp city. the cost of reinsurance, lost mods lost cargo on a regular basis affects a players motivation to continue, hauling loot, minerals pos fuel the list goes on becomes harder than it already is.
This post will go off topic into subject diversion, to sum up the nerfs of recent and the coming weeks please just summise the negative or positive feel.
Point of my post has a very constructive point in the fact of how many players are we losing ? i'm sure CCP would consider that a constructive question ??
Call it.....Market Research. something obviously not reached Iceland yet lol
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:50:00 -
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If everyone who said they would quit over game changes actually did, there would only be about 10 players left.
MWD nerf.
Projectile Nerf
Dual MWD / AB nerf
Missile launcher nerf
cruise kessy nerf
gate to gate jumping
cpr nerf
mega pulse nerf
one size fir all speed mod nerf
blackbird agility nerf
The list goes on.
Through all of this, the playerbase has increased.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:54:00 -
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I can kill rats just fine in 0.0 without missiles.
Perhaps a change of ship setup is in order instead of mindlessly mashing the f1-f6 keys and counting torps.
The insta "fix" are a work in progress. Dev's are well aware of how important and sensetive the issue is. Pre-emptive whining does not help.
I'm sure you belittling the Icelandic poulation is a sure fire way to have your thread taken seriously.
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:54:00 -
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/me sings
Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip****s.
Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this
Silly ****, stupid ****...
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:55:00 -
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This post is a bit lacking detail to realy poast what your asking.
That siad iv suspended 1 account, wile im waiting to see some of the chages but am not quiting due to instas issues.
The player base itself I feel is going in a kill only direction & even outposts i dont see helping allainces greatly , i saw the word gate in the blobs & thats were defences are needed.
The secound thing anyone should consider is what ya gunno do if ya quit, i spent the last few days looking at other games & for example Lineage 2 but can see the same kill everything attitude on most there servers & the same sorta junk on the forums.
ow gotta be level 50 or how can you know anything or have a brain, sounds a bit to much like you aint got 10mil + sp what do you know about anything.
Iv grabed Guildwars & that looks sorta anti pvp but i like some killing for taking land & stuff but does sound like it gets there later but everyones usefull from new.
Id say the gW guys have played eve & other games & done GW with RP & Pve as the main side. I think i see drops that was mine marked with my name & other anti socail fixes BUT it seems very thin compared to eve & offcorse aint got space ships.
back on topic my secound account will end on the 29th & im still around till october then will sit & watch the changes.
Currently ccp have to much going on i think to manage even half of what there claiming right now.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.06.11 11:57:00 -
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I make my assumtion there not get it soted in the same way as the events drag on or just seem to get forgot, ala Titan & elections & more.
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Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks
Maybe end the election round will do it ?
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.06.11 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: WarRocket Ajax
Missile nerfing - 0.0 becomes a fleet affair, no ratting, no mining, no pos, no pos fuel requirements, moon mining.
Rats can call for help from other belts...impossible to play solo or for small corps.
No insta's = camp city. the cost of reinsurance, lost mods lost cargo on a regular basis affects a players motivation to continue, hauling loot, minerals pos fuel the list goes on becomes harder than it already is.
This post will go off topic into subject diversion, to sum up the nerfs of recent and the coming weeks please just summise the negative or positive feel.
Point of my post has a very constructive point in the fact of how many players are we losing ? i'm sure CCP would consider that a constructive question ??
Call it.....Market Research. something obviously not reached Iceland yet lol
You need to calm down. Missiles overhaul is not a nerf, it actually makes caldari ships better in many respects. Npc frigs can easily be disposed off with a large smart bomb or drones.
Instas aren't being removed. They are being REPLACED. This is to reduce server lag not to encourage ganking liek you seem to think.
A lot of players can solo every single type of npc spawn, so rats calling for help from other belts will be a good challenge for palyers who are bored with rat hunting right now. Plus it wont happen all teh time.
I strongly suggest you stop talking about things you dont understand.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
In the Immortal words of Kayosoni (and where applicable)
"This thread sucks. 2 Newb corps trying to make themselves look good... ugh"
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2005.06.11 12:12:00 -
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Another one who cannot deal with changes. If your going to quit because of changes then you should just **** off right now cos there is going to be loads by the time the Eve servers are shut down for good.
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak. |
Poister
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Posted - 2005.06.11 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Poister on 11/06/2005 12:19:10
The nerf factor is causing players to leave, they should bring guns and so on into line with others instead of cutting back, alot of players have trained key skills over a long time just for it to be wasted. EW? why even go there hey.
CCP needs to start doing some real work on this game and get out of the pub. My working day is 8 hours like most & i get alot done.
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.06.11 12:22:00 -
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no way will I be quitting straight away (well I'm paid up till september anyway) but if I can't find anything fun todo after the missle nerf then I don't know what I'll do.
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2005.06.11 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Aodha Khan on 11/06/2005 12:26:39
Originally by: Poister
Edited by: Poister on 11/06/2005 12:19:10
The nerf factor is causing players to leave, they should bring guns and so on into line with others instead of cutting back, alot of players have trained key skills over a long time just for it to be wasted. EW? why even go there hey.
Can you be more specific? Which guns?
How many people have left? Got some numbers?
I would suggest that people who leave because of some balancing aren't the sort of player CCP needs to listen to anyway. They will be constantly changing games in that case as they all have balancing issues. At least in Eve your not stuck with it because you can train something else. In other games with class systems your stuffed.
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak. |
Rei Storm
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Posted - 2005.06.11 12:25:00 -
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Now I'm not flaming, etc. But why do you think that CCP are going to care if YOU quit the game. They'll still have 10k players, just minus you.
If you want to quit due to the next patch, fine do it. Dont come onto the forums, spam a load of crap, have no basis of argument, trying to get people to join your bandwagon, this especially when the new patch isnt even out yet.
As someone said before, they tweak stuff because they need to. If you dont like something or have a suggestion, why not email them with an idea on how to solve the problem. I'm sure they'd listen to someone who has carefully considered all the options to their idea, than someone who is going to post in caps and demand their idea be taken into consideration.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.11 12:46:00 -
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CCP IS NOT LOSING CUSTOMERS LEFT AND RIGHT, AND SAYING THEY ARE JUST TO GIVE YOUR ARGUMENT SOME CREDIBILITY MAKES YOU SOUND LIKE AN IMBECILE .
Phew. Now I feel better.
"You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
babylonstew
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Posted - 2005.06.11 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: babylonstew on 11/06/2005 12:55:02
where did it state rats can call for help from other belts , this sounds damn fun to me, kinda like chaining
anyone, could someone post a link to the blog where it states this
Edit: i fly raven and aint quiting after the balance, ill just adapt or continue to run missions with my corp mates as we are doing at present
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.06.11 13:03:00 -
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I have no intention to do so, but if I was to quit EVE, the reason would be that CCP failed to develop a game that runs smooth in situations where it is supposed to run smooth.
The EVE client fails, bugs or lags at crucial times, and I feel that CCP does too little to improve it's stability. The monthly fee of EVE is one of the highest I've seen, which is no problem at all because the game is good, but I'm not paying CCP 15 euro's a month only to lose ships and equipment because of something CCP can/will not fix nor reimburse.
Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet. |
Poister
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Posted - 2005.06.11 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Poister on 11/06/2005 13:09:20
Originally by: Aodha Khan
Edited by: Aodha Khan on 11/06/2005 12:26:39
Originally by: Poister
Edited by: Poister on 11/06/2005 12:19:10
The nerf factor is causing players to leave, they should bring guns and so on into line with others instead of cutting back, alot of players have trained key skills over a long time just for it to be wasted. EW? why even go there hey.
Can you be more specific? Which guns?
How many people have left? Got some numbers?
I would suggest that people who leave because of some balancing aren't the sort of player CCP needs to listen to anyway. They will be constantly changing games in that case as they all have balancing issues. At least in Eve your not stuck with it because you can train something else. In other games with class systems your stuffed.
for me the amar guns & EW came right at the wrong time. I had 2 geddons, 2 scorps and apoc all setup nice for long range as its all the rage. So then after nerf I find radio hitting like 30 to 50 even with damage mods. I had to load the gedd with aload of cap just to try and kill 1 npc bs at range, spent time and isk testing new setups and so on. Scorps, I run 1 into a gank for insurance and lucky I sold the other.
Since them changes Ive not played much eve and trying other games, but im still hoping and holding out for abit.
As for numbers and channels you or aleast as i see theres been a fair drop of late and many like me just logging on now and then hoping for somthing to bring them back in game full time.
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Embattle
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Posted - 2005.06.11 13:08:00 -
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I don't see any thing they're doing as worth quiting over.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.06.11 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Embattle
I don't see any thing they're doing as worth quiting over.
Nor me but not much worth staying for also ? making player empires was what I came for but the games turning into CS & if i wanna play CS I wouldnt have started playing EVE.
There is loads of nice little ideas noking around easy to add no side effects & narsty things like that circle that pops up & nonone uses but nothnig much gets done, as poist said do some work & get out the pub.
Were told teams for this teams for that & everthing drags on & on, elections is a plain joke on us & the Titan story has lost all momentum it brung, if there is so many why is everything so slow ? & still done wrong or silly.
That amarr nerf was balancing a type of setup against normal setups & at the same time hybrid & projectiles got a boost ? so it should have been left alone, check the battle fields now ?, temps & my fav megas back but amarrs out & ravens didnt leave.
Still i was proud to see G & Iron & other recent attitude & doing very well not killing nautral & playing like its more real & deeper, thats the direction ccp should help eve to be somethnig beyond just pvp.
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SPIONKOP
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Posted - 2005.06.11 13:28:00 -
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I have several accounts and I am worried how the changes will affect how I play Eve. Being mostly carebear but having to travel in to 0.1 space on a regular basis the loss of instas cause me great concern.
To be fair to CCP they have worried me in the past with "proposed" changes but when implemented the changes have either not been as bad as anticipated or the vast Eve community have come up with an alternative stratagy.
So I will wait and see what CCP do. If the changes affect the way I play the game and there is no viable alternative then I guess I will consider my future in Eve.
At the end of the day if I am not having fun then I guess its time to have a break and do something else.
My worry is that CCP are moving Eve in a direction that all but the simplist tasks require you to be a huge corp/alliance to achieve anything and the small corps/solo players don't get a look in. I tried large corps, I tried Alliances and it don't work for me, but I appreciate it works for many of you.
I am not interested in claiming any region of 0.0 space, I do not want a space station and I do not want the politcs, corruption and hassal associated with large corps/alliances. The people in my corp I trust and we have a laugh, take the **** and help each other out when we can.
Eve's good at the moment.
Anyway the little rant is over, in answer to your question.
Yes I may quit, but only after I have tried alternative stratagies to their nerfs.
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.06.11 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin
the games turning into CS
Not intended as a reply to your post, but a very simple equation between EVE and CS to illustrate my own point further.
If, in CS, every time your enemy attacked your "stronghold" or engaged you en masse, the game would grind to an almost complete halt (i.e. a couple of frames every 30 seconds, making it nearly impossible to do anything with your mouse), would you keep playing? Unlikely.
Now, if you would pay a monthly fee of 15 euro's or dollars to be able to even play a game, would you put up with a "no, we won't reimburse you" when you keep losing your equipment because of this very issue? I wouldn't. It's not my computer, it's not my internet connection, it's the client. We lose stuff because the client screws up. The client is developed and copyrighted by CCP - so fix it or take responsibility, but do not sit back and let your customers walk into a brick wall when they (legitimately and very appropriately) ask for a reimbursement.
Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet. |
SinBin
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Posted - 2005.06.11 15:01:00 -
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It is funny the differing ideas & rasoning, i know you wasnt replying to my use of CS.
I use CS only in the play style manner & in the user sence, all the lag & ship losses due to it dont worry me to much but there logging needs alot of attention.
If reimburments were to common it would take the game even more toward CS style, the loss it what make it so good & i agree id preffer it was due to our skills rather than lag ect.
I loved CS that used to cost us ú1500 a yaer for our box with 2x 32 man & 1x 24 man, they was super smooth offcorse for that money, so eve is also alot cheaper for me. them games are were peeps should go for a blastum up & EVE should have a bit more respect but thats the players end not ccps but they do seem to cater for this play style the most IMO.
As the other guy said & the same for me i see little in coming patches to improve my game & only some bits maybe hurt my game & lots of bits to improve killing.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.06.11 15:11:00 -
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I'm not quitting. In fact, the new changes are (IMO anyway) a very positive move.
Getting rid of instas, is going to change the game dynamic, in a positive sense. Yes, life will become harder and slower for a hauler. But it'll be the same for everyone. There's no rule that says every hauler must have the best cargo expanders you can get.
And yes, L4 missions will not longer be (trivially) solo-able. Again, this I feel is a positive move. It means there's no 'one size fits all' ship, and this is definitely good.
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MaD CheF
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Posted - 2005.06.11 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: WarRocket Ajax
Rats can call for help from other belts
right on!!! more money for less flying around...YEAH BABY!
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.06.11 15:42:00 -
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Best add, I disagree with the main post cos hes trying to get aload of us to push ccp with the I quit button witch is well lame & even lamer if just over instas.
But the insta fixing again is due to pvpers wineing & playing into there hands, we do wine the most for shure yet i think bring the laest to the growth of eve.
I see the " dont take what ya cant afford " being poked at everyone now industs/ratter & if we truely stuck to that line of thinking then most would never have left there home system & if your taking only what ya dont give a crap about into battle then it is CS in space aint it ?.
The pvper thats me to are the big talker & can adapt the easist to change, so poke us ccp & give the carebares some hope.
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Embattle
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Posted - 2005.06.11 15:58:00 -
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I find the changes read as insteresting. Some of the changes will actually affect me, such as the missile changes but most of them won't affect me in any real annoying way. However I'll reserve my judgement on them until at least one month after they've implemented the actual patch.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.06.11 16:22:00 -
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i wont leave yet, there have to be some truly horrific changes to make me leave, I.E if soloing' becomes completly impossible.
and to all those people who call the missle changes "improvements" its all based on your perception (not the attribute), if you use missles often as an agent runner to hit frigs, then heck yes its a nerf, as the "improvement" part is made for teh pvp. if you dont use missles for missions, you wont know wtf.
So do not be so bloody quick to call something "improvements" just because it improves it for you.
this here's mah sig':
My Quote:
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.06.11 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff
i wont leave yet, there have to be some truly horrific changes to make me leave, I.E if soloing' becomes completly impossible.
and to all those people who call the missle changes "improvements" its all based on your perception (not the attribute), if you use missles often as an agent runner to hit frigs, then heck yes its a nerf, as the "improvement" part is made for teh pvp. if you dont use missles for missions, you wont know wtf.
So do not be so bloody quick to call something "improvements" just because it improves it for you.
Dude have you heard of smartbombs and target painters? The only thing the missile overhaul is going to affect is that you might have to fit a target painter or maybe a smartbomb. I don't see it as a worldshattering change. Lvl 4 missions are already too easy the loss of one mid or highslot for an extra module isnt going to change the game by a lot.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
In the Immortal words of Kayosoni (and where applicable)
"This thread sucks. 2 Newb corps trying to make themselves look good... ugh"
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.06.11 16:35:00 -
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Change makes the game more fun! Personally i'm looking forward to the changes with the next patch. All ccp need to do now is figure out how to make frigate class blaster ships not useless, huzzah!
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.06.11 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: Gamer4liff
i wont leave yet, there have to be some truly horrific changes to make me leave, I.E if soloing' becomes completly impossible.
and to all those people who call the missle changes "improvements" its all based on your perception (not the attribute), if you use missles often as an agent runner to hit frigs, then heck yes its a nerf, as the "improvement" part is made for teh pvp. if you dont use missles for missions, you wont know wtf.
So do not be so bloody quick to call something "improvements" just because it improves it for you.
Dude have you heard of smartbombs and target painters? The only thing the missile overhaul is going to affect is that you might have to fit a target painter or maybe a smartbomb. I don't see it as a worldshattering change. Lvl 4 missions are already too easy the loss of one mid or highslot for an extra module isnt going to change the game by a lot.
yeah, it will. and all the target painters in the world wont make torps do more than 50 dmg to frigs a hit. but yeah smartbombs maybe.
this here's mah sig':
My Quote:
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.06.11 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: Viceroy
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
QUICK LETS RUN FOR THE HILLS !!!!!!
OMFG! LET'S RUN!!!!!
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Kait
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Posted - 2005.06.11 16:45:00 -
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Sigh, you people complain and worry too much, there has and will always be the pre-patch jitters, the week of complaining after the patch, and then everyone will adjust and say "hey this is pretty cool". |
Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.11 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: Viceroy
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
QUICK LETS RUN FOR THE HILLS !!!!!!
OMFG! LET'S RUN!!!!!
Umm...didn't you read the Dev Blog? CCP is nerfing the hills to make them all flat. OMFGQUITXORZ!!!!!!
"You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.06.11 16:53:00 -
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Boo Hoo
Pls quit
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.06.11 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Neon Genesis
Boo Hoo
Pls quit
yes why don't we all quit I'm sure that would make the game great........
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Enemy
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Posted - 2005.06.11 17:15:00 -
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I dont care what they change, im not gonna quit due to some minor thing that you all think needs to exist i.e. instas, I prefer to adapt to the new enviroment rather then complain and leave cuase I think someone is gonna notice and change things back.
Everything that they are changing is fine as far as im concerned.
p.s. if your one of the ppl that feels the need to leave just remember....your a 15 dollar tree in the middle of a 150,000 dollar forest, noones gonna notice.....so dont come here and give us a post (noone cares)
sorry if it seems flamy but thats how i feel about it
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.11 17:25:00 -
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And if you are leaving because of these patches:
Can I have your stuff?
"You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
Alberto
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Posted - 2005.06.11 17:27:00 -
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Look this is not just a game its ôEveö win buttons are not welcome but using your brains is highly recommended k.
Also itÆs the die hard eve customers that funds eve in the long run players who care about eve and its multifaceted world.
So take your win buttons and grab all your accounts and quit!
****ing off society one dumba$$ at a time |
The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.06.11 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
CCP IS NOT LOSING CUSTOMERS LEFT AND RIGHT, AND SAYING THEY ARE JUST TO GIVE YOUR ARGUMENT SOME CREDIBILITY MAKES YOU SOUND LIKE AN IMBECILE .
Phew. Now I feel better.
Agreed and thread starter is pwned.
I may purchase a couple more accounts if this pans out nicely enough actually. 
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.06.11 17:39:00 -
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they aready did the big nerf **** off i had.
i never agreed with them skilling up the abilitys of jamming.
jamming is low tec and did not need too be turnd into what it is now.
i can still rember some highly skill up players saying why should less skilled players beable too have a chance at betting us.
the could not understand what i was trying too say back too them. that ever player should have the right too a working defance even against stronger players or corps.
this game is not much of a even playing feild realy.
so if i quit it will proble be more for the rules of combat in this game rather then their nerfs.
my first 4 months of this game where played totaly without instas, and i did just fine.
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Sharilyn
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Posted - 2005.06.11 17:41:00 -
[47]
Originally by: SPIONKOP
My worry is that CCP are moving Eve in a direction that all but the simplist tasks require you to be a huge corp/alliance to achieve anything and the small corps/solo players don't get a look in. I tried large corps, I tried Alliances and it don't work for me, but I appreciate it works for many of you.
I am not interested in claiming any region of 0.0 space, I do not want the politcs, corruption and hassal associated with large corps/alliances. The people in my corp I trust and we have a laugh, take the **** and help each other out when we can.
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Those are most of the reasons I did quit this week. It wasn't just one thing like the Insta discussion. Most of the little changes and a big change or two added up to not much fun anymore. So I did it; 2 accounts and 4 characters terminated. 1 1-mil, 2 7-mil and 1 18 mil skill point characters. The Eve addiction is wearing off.
CCP's latest viewpoint is to cater to one kind of player, at the cost to other playstyles. I hope the game lasts for all of you still out there. But I really think CCP is UNINTENTIONALLY forcing players to make a choice and its not whether to go to 0.0 but whether to stay in the game at all (carebear view).
I also wonder if the influx of new players are just replacements for those that have already left.
Anyway good luck to you all, even the forum trolls 
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.11 18:11:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Finix Jaeger
/me sings
Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip****s.
Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this
Silly ****, stupid ****...
Learn to swim...
I want Maynards babies 
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.06.11 18:12:00 -
[49]
I love that the bulk of pvpers can only flame such posts, never contructive.
Enslaver I saw you post all your alt & also your allways posting that ccp need to add more trail accounts, hmmm.
I dont like peeps using the i quit button to win its poor effort but there is some good posts here NOT wines but some are.
I see them poor posts about people spending 2.5 yaers waiting on a bpo doing low end agent work, yet i was mowning about a few months on the election junk, I feel for you guys that have spent so long & got little to no attention cos the pvper are so good at taking the spotlight & out wining ya.
Look at the past what nerfs/wines we got, EW, geddons/amarr, daulMWD, bubbles, instas, level4s, logging, ssing, modstacking there almost all from the pvpers side of the fence most carebaers dont even now what half of um are im shure there is more, so pvper stop wineing & play an hour of CS before ya come into eve or as you say *******.
You cant defend a system from a moon ccp death happens at gates & belts, nice outpost to sit in safe wile we claen up who again is that for ?.
I best admit im a gemini so sit nicely both side of the fence but i relise recent with my forum overuse its the pvper who make the most noise, out niose carebares & flame/spam there posts shut.
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.06.11 18:25:00 -
[50]
You know there was a time when there were no instas.... This is the only gamne I have ever played where I could make a short cut that lands me onto my destination. Every other game I had to "travel" taking "risk" while doing so.
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Woopie
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Posted - 2005.06.11 18:28:00 -
[51]
If/once insta and missile changes go through I can see me and my friends playing even more. In my honest option I think getting rid of people that can not handle minor balance changes is just for the good. Stronger and more stable community and all that. Threatening to quit just because you don't like something is just silly.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.11 18:37:00 -
[52]
Originally by: SinBin
I love that the bulk of pvpers can only flame such posts, never contructive.
That's mostly because these posts are only destructive to begin with. They sum up to "OMFG I PH34R CHANGE!!!!! If I don't get my way, I'm going to cancel like 5000 other people who don't exist 'cept in my own lil world are going to!!!!! CANCEL4TWR0X0RZ!!!!!"
It's bad for morale in the community, it's threatening CCP with something you can't control just because you think somehow you're special and can park in handicap spots without tags, and the subject matter is basically *****ing about something that we really can't predict what it'll be like until THE PATCH HAS ALREADY BEEN APPLIED so it's negativity for nothing.
So flaming a post like this and totally destroying the credibility of the author is pretty much the most constructive thing that can happen.
"You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.11 18:39:00 -
[53]
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Finix Jaeger
/me sings
Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip****s.
Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this
Silly ****, stupid ****...
Learn to swim...
I want Maynards babies
Mom's gonna put it all back the way it oughta be.....
(Mom being a siege launcher).
"You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
sableye
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Posted - 2005.06.11 18:40:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Woopie
If/once insta and missile changes go through I can see me and my friends playing even more. In my honest option I think getting rid of people that can not handle minor balance changes is just for the good. Stronger and more stable community and all that. Threatening to quit just because you don't like something is just silly.
you say minor balance changes but when these changes take all the fun out of eve for you how can they be minor changes.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.11 18:47:00 -
[55]
Originally by: sableye
Originally by: Woopie
If/once insta and missile changes go through I can see me and my friends playing even more. In my honest option I think getting rid of people that can not handle minor balance changes is just for the good. Stronger and more stable community and all that. Threatening to quit just because you don't like something is just silly.
you say minor balance changes but when these changes take all the fun out of eve for you how can they be minor changes.
When Battleships first came online, they were the fastest ships in the game (realistic). Was fun for BS pilots and only BS pilots.
Nerf.
Did all the BS pilots quit the game? ::looks around::
Nope.
They really need a pull-your-head-out-of-your-arse emoticon.
As the above quote suggests, learn to swim.
If not, I do really want your stuff. I'll have fun after the new changes, I'm looking forward to them, so if you won't be needing your gear/ISK.....
"You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
Al Thorr
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Posted - 2005.06.11 18:50:00 -
[56]
Isnt this simply another form of Darwinian evolution?
Adaptation v extinction.
Yup eve has it all
Regards Al Thorr
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Toolbert
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Posted - 2005.06.11 18:58:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Toolbert on 11/06/2005 18:59:47
I don't think CCP would want anyone quitting period, and i'm sure they would be sorry if you decided to quit because you no longer got any enjoyment out of the game. I really don't get the hostility in this thread. We should all know by now what patchs that bring large change to the game can do. The combat upgrade to Starwars Galaxies anyone? Lots of people quit that game over that one. Changes are frustrating, and when patchs force people to play a new play style then it is understandable when they are going to get frustrated and say they will or might quit. So try to have a little understanding and don't flame people who don't enjoy these changes. Just because you are ok with them doesn't mean others are too.
I've had my fair share of moments with quitting a mmorpg over horrible design changes. I would like to think the developers know more about their mmorpg then the players, they did after all design it, but in truth the players know more about the game then the developers. That is why they have test servers and rely on us, we play the game more then they do, they just put in the code and make changes and pray it all works. It gets tiring when we tell them though that this and that doesn't work and yet they don't listen. This change to missiles sounds like a horrible idea and will force people to change play styles.
I just think telling people to deal with it is lame, immature, and adds nothing. If you aren't in the same boat as the other person then you really shouldnt even comment because you don't understand. I don't do pvp, I play a miner and hauler, but I do I tell people to deal with it when a change effects them? No. What is the point?
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Rei Storm
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Posted - 2005.06.11 19:18:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Corvus Dove
Originally by: SinBin
I love that the bulk of pvpers can only flame such posts, never contructive.
That's mostly because these posts are only destructive to begin with. They sum up to "OMFG I PH34R CHANGE!!!!! If I don't get my way, I'm going to cancel like 5000 other people who don't exist 'cept in my own lil world are going to!!!!! CANCEL4TWR0X0RZ!!!!!"
It's bad for morale in the community, it's threatening CCP with something you can't control just because you think somehow you're special and can park in handicap spots without tags, and the subject matter is basically *****ing about something that we really can't predict what it'll be like until THE PATCH HAS ALREADY BEEN APPLIED so it's negativity for nothing.
So flaming a post like this and totally destroying the credibility of the author is pretty much the most constructive thing that can happen.
Well bloody said, tbvfh!
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I hate to advocate sex, drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone... But they've always works for me... |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.06.11 19:33:00 -
[59]
WTF?
Missile changes are making missiles *better*, not worse.
Why would you quit?
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The best description of alliances, ever:
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.11 19:35:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Sharilyn
Originally by: SPIONKOP
My worry is that CCP are moving Eve in a direction that all but the simplist tasks require you to be a huge corp/alliance to achieve anything and the small corps/solo players don't get a look in. I tried large corps, I tried Alliances and it don't work for me, but I appreciate it works for many of you.
I am not interested in claiming any region of 0.0 space, I do not want the politcs, corruption and hassal associated with large corps/alliances. The people in my corp I trust and we have a laugh, take the **** and help each other out when we can.
[/quote
Those are most of the reasons I did quit this week. It wasn't just one thing like the Insta discussion. Most of the little changes and a big change or two added up to not much fun anymore. So I did it; 2 accounts and 4 characters terminated. 1 1-mil, 2 7-mil and 1 18 mil skill point characters. The Eve addiction is wearing off.
CCP's latest viewpoint is to cater to one kind of player, at the cost to other playstyles. I hope the game lasts for all of you still out there. But I really think CCP is UNINTENTIONALLY forcing players to make a choice and its not whether to go to 0.0 but whether to stay in the game at all (carebear view).
I also wonder if the influx of new players are just replacements for those that have already left.
Anyway good luck to you all, even the forum trolls
Mey m8, sorry to see you go actually, but if you still have access to the charries (in other words, recycle isn't done or you're still in the billing loop), can I seriously have your stuff? I'm only at 2m+ SP and most of my corpies haven't even hit 1mil sp yet (they think 500k is a lot of money). Newbs could really use this stuff and us inevitably either using it, selling it, or recycling it would help the regional economy a bit.
"You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
NiteOwl
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Posted - 2005.06.12 11:27:00 -
[61]
I am in love with the missile changes. Tackling ravens in frig fleets and getting their kills isnt going to be as risky now. For the peeps like me, its not a nerf at all. I am just waiting for the skills to come out! rdy for em ALL!!! Ontop of caldari 5! I will be able to fly my beloved raven in fleet and actually get kill mails!
The missile changes are for the better. They are simply seperating the people that have propperly trained for their ship from the 3 month old over night success mission runners.(BOUT TIME!!!)
The BMs thing is a bit hard to swallow. CCP is going to force everyone and their mom that want anything to do with 0.0 to be apart of something BIG to have any kinda safety what so ever. With out the instas, they are removing gorilla tactics that smaller corps live on. There is always the solution of having ceptor pilots set you up for the next jumps. but that is going to double travel time thru space. Its not a good change IMO, and for those of you who are blobbing up now, likeing the change, its probably going to bite you in the ass l8r. So becarefull what you wish for. 30 mins for your ship to leave thr system, and no insta. An armada with enough patiens and probes will pik you all off 1 by one as you try to log off because you have been switching SSs for 2 hours. "ooooh look, one left system! Launch the probes, we have 30 mins to find and kill a person that isnt there! LOL" thumbs up on that idea!
As far as crying about ravens not being able to kill 10 frigs solo, well, they let that go on for way too long. That WILL teatch ye not to fly a BS around with out any support. Well, eventually,maybe, I hope.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.06.12 11:37:00 -
[62]
good post nightowl.
I dont fly ravens but do go in frig fleets & we faer nothing but the raven & thats a bit odd to me that 10-20 guys can just******any bs in secounds. even a loan raven is toast maybe 3+ we might get worrid.
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Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks
Maybe end the election round will do it ?
& could save hundred of Users & Mods pain. |
dreddish
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Posted - 2005.06.12 11:46:00 -
[63]
The original poster has a very valid point. As an example, before Exodus patch - i was in 0.0 space all the time/loved PVP/ since exodus i havent seen an npc battleship, and cannot get into 0.0 space. You simply have to adapt - I am now a happy veldspar miner in 1.0 - sometimes i venture into 0.4 , but not often. I,ve never used a bookmark and never will.
Next week i,m starting missions so I can also keep up with the isk influx/newer players gains - and its not fun, a 2 year old char just starting missions, they could get nerfed the day i get to lev 4!
CCP stop "fixing" things. Youre dancing on thin ice. One poster stated "eve has lost its soul now" I,m inclined to agree.
The idea behind Exodus patch was to get the community to venture into 0.0 - you made this task harder and it had the opposite effect.
Stop tweaking things - and add things instead.
I dont think i will be quitting eve - but the game is getting depressing/frustrating.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2005.06.12 13:05:00 -
[64]
I'd seriously consider buying 5 more accounts if I had 5 more puters and 10 more hands and eyes.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.06.12 19:40:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 12/06/2005 01:35:25
I agree they left the raven and lvl 4's alone for far too long. It's probably the main reason why people ar all up in arms about it now. They created too much dependency on an imbalanced situation.
On the other hand, this change was inevitable from the start. the question was when, not if.
As for leaving your corp, no need for that. Make additional friends outside it and go along with those.
As for complexes in the 6/10 - 8/10 region of things, check venal, pure blind, geminate, delve, querious (last two you'll be considered hostile as yet tho), peroid basis, and maybe the angel and sansha areas as well. Serpentis happens to be the only group that does NOT have 6/10's or 7/10's out afaik.
But in all honesty, I simply cant see how people would feel the need to quit over this. The playstyle might have been there (meaning the raven + lvl 4 isk machine), but it was an invalid one from the start, and correction was inevitable.
Hang on a bit, and look to 0.0 to see if changes occur somewhat after the patch. I could see something happening there.
As far as 20-30 person corps being valid in 0.0 space goes you have something of a point. Unless you can get really close to some other corps of simlar size (and not smaller), then it's going to be hard. 0.0 requires efficiency and leadership, and thats hard to get enough from in a smaller corporation.
But again, those new outposts might change it somewhat. I could see some areas more open to groups without any direct part in the area. After all, why build crap in empire if i can buy your refined lowends from your hunting and build crap where i live, in 0.0 ? Once things make sense they will start happening.
edit: btw, I wonder about the current damage light missiles will do to npc frigs on Sisi. It's been a while since I tested there. Those should imobe a valid option before the patch is released. Not 'torpedo'-valid, but valid nonetheless :p
ITs nothing related to subject but reading this lot of crap in posts it really feels good to read a logic reasonable post:)
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Earthan
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Posted - 2005.06.12 19:44:00 -
[66]
Originally by: dreddish
The original poster has a very valid point. As an example, before Exodus patch - i was in 0.0 space all the time/loved PVP/ since exodus i havent seen an npc battleship, and cannot get into 0.0 space. You simply have to adapt - I am now a happy veldspar miner in 1.0 - sometimes i venture into 0.4 , but not often. I,ve never used a bookmark and never will.
Next week i,m starting missions so I can also keep up with the isk influx/newer players gains - and its not fun, a 2 year old char just starting missions, they could get nerfed the day i get to lev 4!
CCP stop "fixing" things. Youre dancing on thin ice. One poster stated "eve has lost its soul now" I,m inclined to agree.
The idea behind Exodus patch was to get the community to venture into 0.0 - you made this task harder and it had the opposite effect.
Stop tweaking things - and add things instead.
I dont think i will be quitting eve - but the game is getting depressing/frustrating.
I dont agreewith many ofoyurpoints but one is true: Exodus whjile had many fun changes in its aim has failed: 0.0 space has become much more hostile andmuch less profitable compared to empire.
They needto change it , great they do it finally as par to fthe problem is raven and lvl 4 missions( before it was normal in 0.0 you were making more isk at more risk ,now for isk its empire raven and lvl4 missions ,no sense to go to 0.0)
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