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WarRocket Ajax	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:36:00 - [1] I'm just curious with the forthcoming changes how many players are strongly considering to quit the game ? Me personally, i have 3 accounts and the nerfs affect my gameplay to returning to 1.0 mining veldspar or pirating on gates (hehe no instas). SERIOUSLY though. If you are considering leaving Eve because of TOO MUCH tweaking please post on this and maybe CCP will get an idea of exactly how many CUSTOMERS they are losing. NO FLAMES PLEASE THIS POST COULD PROVE VERY INTERESTING
mahhy	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:40:00 - [2] Originally by: WarRocket Ajax I'm just curious with the forthcoming changes how many players are strongly considering to quit the game ? Me personally, i have 3 accounts and the nerfs affect my gameplay to returning to 1.0 mining veldspar or pirating on gates (hehe no instas). SERIOUSLY though. If you are considering leaving Eve because of TOO MUCH tweaking please post on this and maybe CCP will get an idea of exactly how many CUSTOMERS they are losing. NO FLAMES PLEASE THIS POST COULD PROVE VERY INTERESTING Perhaps waiting to see what CCP proposes as a replacement to instas would be a better idea? Its pretty clear they want to remove insta bookmarks, but it sounds like they want to provide an alternative as well.
Supermonkey	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:40:00 - [3] I'm going to reactivate all my other 7 accounts because of the upcoming changes. That means 7 of you can quit, no problem. Tweaking is needed and CCP finally started to do it right. ~0~
Finix Jaeger	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:41:00 - [4] What? I dont get it. Missile changes is the latest change I've heard about and changing how instas work is being discussed. Are there any more earthshattering changes that I've missed?
Supermonkey	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:42:00 - [5] Quote: NO FLAMES PLEASE THIS POST COULD PROVE VERY INTERESTING For that you have to make a constructive post first, saying I will quit because I don't like changes is NOT constructive it sounds like a threat attempt which you hear a lot (mostly from lvl4 agent runners) nowadays. ~0~
Viceroy	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:47:00 - [6] The sky is falling! The sky is falling! -
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Viceroy The sky is falling! The sky is falling! QUICK LETS RUN FOR THE HILLS !!!!!! Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!! In the Immortal words of Kayosoni (and where applicable) "This thread sucks. 2 Newb corps trying to make themselves look good... ugh"
WarRocket Ajax	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:49:00 - [8] Missile nerfing - 0.0 becomes a fleet affair, no ratting, no mining, no pos, no pos fuel requirements, moon mining. Rats can call for help from other belts...impossible to play solo or for small corps. No insta's = camp city. the cost of reinsurance, lost mods lost cargo on a regular basis affects a players motivation to continue, hauling loot, minerals pos fuel the list goes on becomes harder than it already is. This post will go off topic into subject diversion, to sum up the nerfs of recent and the coming weeks please just summise the negative or positive feel. Point of my post has a very constructive point in the fact of how many players are we losing ? i'm sure CCP would consider that a constructive question ?? Call it.....Market Research. something obviously not reached Iceland yet lol
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:50:00 - [9] If everyone who said they would quit over game changes actually did, there would only be about 10 players left. MWD nerf. Projectile Nerf Dual MWD / AB nerf Missile launcher nerf cruise kessy nerf gate to gate jumping cpr nerf mega pulse nerf one size fir all speed mod nerf blackbird agility nerf The list goes on. Through all of this, the playerbase has increased. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:54:00 - [10] I can kill rats just fine in 0.0 without missiles. Perhaps a change of ship setup is in order instead of mindlessly mashing the f1-f6 keys and counting torps. The insta "fix" are a work in progress. Dev's are well aware of how important and sensetive the issue is. Pre-emptive whining does not help. I'm sure you belittling the Icelandic poulation is a sure fire way to have your thread taken seriously.
Finix Jaeger	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:54:00 - [11] /me sings Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves. Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip**s. Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will cuz I sure could use a vacation from this Silly , stupid **...
SinBin	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:55:00 - [12] This post is a bit lacking detail to realy poast what your asking. That siad iv suspended 1 account, wile im waiting to see some of the chages but am not quiting due to instas issues. The player base itself I feel is going in a kill only direction & even outposts i dont see helping allainces greatly , i saw the word gate in the blobs & thats were defences are needed. The secound thing anyone should consider is what ya gunno do if ya quit, i spent the last few days looking at other games & for example Lineage 2 but can see the same kill everything attitude on most there servers & the same sorta junk on the forums. ow gotta be level 50 or how can you know anything or have a brain, sounds a bit to much like you aint got 10mil + sp what do you know about anything. Iv grabed Guildwars & that looks sorta anti pvp but i like some killing for taking land & stuff but does sound like it gets there later but everyones usefull from new. Id say the gW guys have played eve & other games & done GW with RP & Pve as the main side. I think i see drops that was mine marked with my name & other anti socail fixes BUT it seems very thin compared to eve & offcorse aint got space ships. back on topic my secound account will end on the 29th & im still around till october then will sit & watch the changes. Currently ccp have to much going on i think to manage even half of what there claiming right now. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
SinBin	Posted - 2005.06.11 11:57:00 - [13] I make my assumtion there not get it soted in the same way as the events drag on or just seem to get forgot, ala Titan & elections & more. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.06.11 12:00:00 - [14] Originally by: WarRocket Ajax Missile nerfing - 0.0 becomes a fleet affair, no ratting, no mining, no pos, no pos fuel requirements, moon mining. Rats can call for help from other belts...impossible to play solo or for small corps. No insta's = camp city. the cost of reinsurance, lost mods lost cargo on a regular basis affects a players motivation to continue, hauling loot, minerals pos fuel the list goes on becomes harder than it already is. This post will go off topic into subject diversion, to sum up the nerfs of recent and the coming weeks please just summise the negative or positive feel. Point of my post has a very constructive point in the fact of how many players are we losing ? i'm sure CCP would consider that a constructive question ?? Call it.....Market Research. something obviously not reached Iceland yet lol You need to calm down. Missiles overhaul is not a nerf, it actually makes caldari ships better in many respects. Npc frigs can easily be disposed off with a large smart bomb or drones. Instas aren't being removed. They are being REPLACED. This is to reduce server lag not to encourage ganking liek you seem to think. A lot of players can solo every single type of npc spawn, so rats calling for help from other belts will be a good challenge for palyers who are bored with rat hunting right now. Plus it wont happen all teh time. I strongly suggest you stop talking about things you dont understand. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!! In the Immortal words of Kayosoni (and where applicable) "This thread sucks. 2 Newb corps trying to make themselves look good... ugh"
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2005.06.11 12:12:00 - [15] Another one who cannot deal with changes. If your going to quit because of changes then you should just **** off right now cos there is going to be loads by the time the Eve servers are shut down for good. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Poister	Posted - 2005.06.11 12:14:00 - [16] Edited by: Poister on 11/06/2005 12:19:10 The nerf factor is causing players to leave, they should bring guns and so on into line with others instead of cutting back, alot of players have trained key skills over a long time just for it to be wasted. EW? why even go there hey. CCP needs to start doing some real work on this game and get out of the pub. My working day is 8 hours like most & i get alot done.
sableye	Posted - 2005.06.11 12:22:00 - [17] no way will I be quitting straight away (well I'm paid up till september anyway) but if I can't find anything fun todo after the missle nerf then I don't know what I'll do.
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2005.06.11 12:25:00 - [18] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 11/06/2005 12:26:39 Originally by: Poister Edited by: Poister on 11/06/2005 12:19:10 The nerf factor is causing players to leave, they should bring guns and so on into line with others instead of cutting back, alot of players have trained key skills over a long time just for it to be wasted. EW? why even go there hey. Can you be more specific? Which guns? How many people have left? Got some numbers? I would suggest that people who leave because of some balancing aren't the sort of player CCP needs to listen to anyway. They will be constantly changing games in that case as they all have balancing issues. At least in Eve your not stuck with it because you can train something else. In other games with class systems your stuffed. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Rei Storm	Posted - 2005.06.11 12:25:00 - [19] Now I'm not flaming, etc. But why do you think that CCP are going to care if YOU quit the game. They'll still have 10k players, just minus you. If you want to quit due to the next patch, fine do it. Dont come onto the forums, spam a load of crap, have no basis of argument, trying to get people to join your bandwagon, this especially when the new patch isnt even out yet. As someone said before, they tweak stuff because they need to. If you dont like something or have a suggestion, why not email them with an idea on how to solve the problem. I'm sure they'd listen to someone who has carefully considered all the options to their idea, than someone who is going to post in caps and demand their idea be taken into consideration. ----------------------------- I hate to advocate sex, drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone... But they've always works for me...
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.11 12:46:00 - [20] CCP IS NOT LOSING CUSTOMERS LEFT AND RIGHT, AND SAYING THEY ARE JUST TO GIVE YOUR ARGUMENT SOME CREDIBILITY MAKES YOU SOUND LIKE AN IMBECILE . Phew. Now I feel better. "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
babylonstew	Posted - 2005.06.11 12:54:00 - [21] Edited by: babylonstew on 11/06/2005 12:55:02 where did it state rats can call for help from other belts, this sounds damn fun to me, kinda like chaining anyone, could someone post a link to the blog where it states this Edit: i fly raven and aint quiting after the balance, ill just adapt or continue to run missions with my corp mates as we are doing at present (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Deepeh	Posted - 2005.06.11 13:03:00 - [22] I have no intention to do so, but if I was to quit EVE, the reason would be that CCP failed to develop a game that runs smooth in situations where it is supposed to run smooth. The EVE client fails, bugs or lags at crucial times, and I feel that CCP does too little to improve it's stability. The monthly fee of EVE is one of the highest I've seen, which is no problem at all because the game is good, but I'm not paying CCP 15 euro's a month only to lose ships and equipment because of something CCP can/will not fix nor reimburse. Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Poister	Posted - 2005.06.11 13:07:00 - [23] Edited by: Poister on 11/06/2005 13:09:20 Originally by: Aodha Khan Edited by: Aodha Khan on 11/06/2005 12:26:39 Originally by: Poister Edited by: Poister on 11/06/2005 12:19:10 The nerf factor is causing players to leave, they should bring guns and so on into line with others instead of cutting back, alot of players have trained key skills over a long time just for it to be wasted. EW? why even go there hey. Can you be more specific? Which guns? How many people have left? Got some numbers? I would suggest that people who leave because of some balancing aren't the sort of player CCP needs to listen to anyway. They will be constantly changing games in that case as they all have balancing issues. At least in Eve your not stuck with it because you can train something else. In other games with class systems your stuffed. for me the amar guns & EW came right at the wrong time. I had 2 geddons, 2 scorps and apoc all setup nice for long range as its all the rage. So then after nerf I find radio hitting like 30 to 50 even with damage mods. I had to load the gedd with aload of cap just to try and kill 1 npc bs at range, spent time and isk testing new setups and so on. Scorps, I run 1 into a gank for insurance and lucky I sold the other. Since them changes Ive not played much eve and trying other games, but im still hoping and holding out for abit. As for numbers and channels you or aleast as i see theres been a fair drop of late and many like me just logging on now and then hoping for somthing to bring them back in game full time.
Embattle	Posted - 2005.06.11 13:08:00 - [24] I don't see any thing they're doing as worth quiting over.
SinBin	Posted - 2005.06.11 13:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Embattle I don't see any thing they're doing as worth quiting over. Nor me but not much worth staying for also ? making player empires was what I came for but the games turning into CS & if i wanna play CS I wouldnt have started playing EVE. There is loads of nice little ideas noking around easy to add no side effects & narsty things like that circle that pops up & nonone uses but nothnig much gets done, as poist said do some work & get out the pub. Were told teams for this teams for that & everthing drags on & on, elections is a plain joke on us & the Titan story has lost all momentum it brung, if there is so many why is everything so slow ? & still done wrong or silly. That amarr nerf was balancing a type of setup against normal setups & at the same time hybrid & projectiles got a boost ? so it should have been left alone, check the battle fields now ?, temps & my fav megas back but amarrs out & ravens didnt leave. Still i was proud to see G & Iron & other recent attitude & doing very well not killing nautral & playing like its more real & deeper, thats the direction ccp should help eve to be somethnig beyond just pvp. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
SPIONKOP	Posted - 2005.06.11 13:28:00 - [26] I have several accounts and I am worried how the changes will affect how I play Eve. Being mostly carebear but having to travel in to 0.1 space on a regular basis the loss of instas cause me great concern. To be fair to CCP they have worried me in the past with "proposed" changes but when implemented the changes have either not been as bad as anticipated or the vast Eve community have come up with an alternative stratagy. So I will wait and see what CCP do. If the changes affect the way I play the game and there is no viable alternative then I guess I will consider my future in Eve. At the end of the day if I am not having fun then I guess its time to have a break and do something else. My worry is that CCP are moving Eve in a direction that all but the simplist tasks require you to be a huge corp/alliance to achieve anything and the small corps/solo players don't get a look in. I tried large corps, I tried Alliances and it don't work for me, but I appreciate it works for many of you. I am not interested in claiming any region of 0.0 space, I do not want a space station and I do not want the politcs, corruption and hassal associated with large corps/alliances. The people in my corp I trust and we have a laugh, take the **** and help each other out when we can. Eve's good at the moment. Anyway the little rant is over, in answer to your question. Yes I may quit, but only after I have tried alternative stratagies to their nerfs.
Deepeh	Posted - 2005.06.11 13:52:00 - [27] Originally by: SinBin the games turning into CS Not intended as a reply to your post, but a very simple equation between EVE and CS to illustrate my own point further. If, in CS, every time your enemy attacked your "stronghold" or engaged you en masse, the game would grind to an almost complete halt (i.e. a couple of frames every 30 seconds, making it nearly impossible to do anything with your mouse), would you keep playing? Unlikely. Now, if you would pay a monthly fee of 15 euro's or dollars to be able to even play a game, would you put up with a "no, we won't reimburse you" when you keep losing your equipment because of this very issue? I wouldn't. It's not my computer, it's not my internet connection, it's the client. We lose stuff because the client screws up. The client is developed and copyrighted by CCP - so fix it or take responsibility, but do not sit back and let your customers walk into a brick wall when they (legitimately and very appropriately) ask for a reimbursement. Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
SinBin	Posted - 2005.06.11 15:01:00 - [28] It is funny the differing ideas & rasoning, i know you wasnt replying to my use of CS. I use CS only in the play style manner & in the user sence, all the lag & ship losses due to it dont worry me to much but there logging needs alot of attention. If reimburments were to common it would take the game even more toward CS style, the loss it what make it so good & i agree id preffer it was due to our skills rather than lag ect. I loved CS that used to cost us ú1500 a yaer for our box with 2x 32 man & 1x 24 man, they was super smooth offcorse for that money, so eve is also alot cheaper for me. them games are were peeps should go for a blastum up & EVE should have a bit more respect but thats the players end not ccps but they do seem to cater for this play style the most IMO. As the other guy said & the same for me i see little in coming patches to improve my game & only some bits maybe hurt my game & lots of bits to improve killing. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.06.11 15:11:00 - [29] I'm not quitting. In fact, the new changes are (IMO anyway) a very positive move. Getting rid of instas, is going to change the game dynamic, in a positive sense. Yes, life will become harder and slower for a hauler. But it'll be the same for everyone. There's no rule that says every hauler must have the best cargo expanders you can get. And yes, L4 missions will not longer be (trivially) solo-able. Again, this I feel is a positive move. It means there's no 'one size fits all' ship, and this is definitely good.
MaD CheF	Posted - 2005.06.11 15:30:00 - [30] Originally by: WarRocket Ajax Rats can call for help from other belts right on!!! more money for less flying around...YEAH BABY! _________________________________________ One,oohhh one, the onlyyy wayyyy is One!

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