Without new players eve will eventually die, simple as.
Although as a bittervet i dont want anything changed so much it screws me for all my hard earned years

Hey, I've read sayings from your bitter vet fellah's claiming skill points mean nothing, so what's the advantage you guys don't really want to loose that makes so much fuss?

If skill points advantage on an older toon means nothing then what the heck "advantage" are you talking about?

CFC and the HBC have done more for new players than highsec ever will.

This is truly the real reason why highsec should be nerfed, highseccers just chase new players away with their misguided elitism. In highsec you're either in a pimped out marauder or T3, or you're in a hulk or mackinaw or you're worthless, whereas in nullsec t1 frigates and new players who are willing to take risks are actually useful and are rewarded by those who remember the difficulties they had as a new player.

When's the last time you sent someone who's been in the game for less than a month isk for helping you? Or are you too busy racking up the amount on your wallet screen to care?

This is the real reason why we hate you, because you're all sociopaths.

You quote "advantage" and he never says the word at all...trolling 101 i guess
loose - tight
lose - win/find
loose...lol

He is referring to the amount of time he has put into the game in all areas.
A noob can join, specialize, and be efficient in any number of ships.
And be just as effective as the older players.
Just not every ship.
Bittervet is a term used by noobs that complain they can never catch up....this isn't true.
They can catch up if they use remaps and keep an eye on their character...it will take time...but it is that time most of us have already put in.

Stuff...sounds important...totally not...

How is that Test/Goon Scamming of new players going?
Did Hulkageddon work out favorably for your corp?
How many noobs did your corp destroy in the burn Jita event?
Is your corp the botter corp? Or are you in a corp that just benefits from it?

I'll bet new players would stay longer over some guy complaining than one of the above events.
If you are legit, start on your own alliance first. Spread through your blues...then feel free to whine more about elitists
and the like.


Irony = Test/Goons coming in and telling others about morals....

it is NOW yes but it never used to be, this used to be a good community, sure you had some of the same stuff but it was rare then goons happened

Nah dude...stop reading EN24.

As far i know almost every new player knows what he or she is getting into when they first subscribe into EvE
EvE has that reputation , to be harsh , and unforgivable to the new unsuspected player, just look atother game forums , when ever they mention EvE everybody shivers and get scared

Translation: We won EVE and its getting kinda boring, and boredom causes problems. Give us entertainment as you struggle in vain against our botting empire

CFC and the HBC have done more for new players than highsec ever will.

I don't get where they are getting that from, Im a returning player , I quit the game 3 years ago, I had played for 72 days and each day there was only around 15,000 to 20,000 playing, Now that ive come back, the past 2 weeks ive seen around 44,000 on at the time I get on.. So if the game was failing, it would have failed 3 years ago because obviously something has changed for the population to be up from where it used to be as mentioned in my story. Seems more are playing now days than 3 years ago, so its not failing..

CFC and the HBC have done more for new players than highsec ever will.

This is truly the real reason why highsec should be nerfed, highseccers just chase new players away with their misguided elitism. In highsec you're either in a pimped out marauder or T3, or you're in a hulk or mackinaw or you're worthless, whereas in nullsec t1 frigates and new players who are willing to take risks are actually useful and are rewarded by those who remember the difficulties they had as a new player.

When's the last time you sent someone who's been in the game for less than a month isk for helping you? Or are you too busy racking up the amount on your wallet screen to care?

This is the real reason why we hate you, because you're all sociopaths.

Why would anyone scam a noob??? They have nothing to take. ANY scammers I know in nullsec don't even talk to you unless they see you have at least 2-3 bill dude...

I could copy and paste a link to our forums where HBC are told specifically to NOT scam new players, as they are our bread and butter. I personally wouldn't bother with an Alliance that scammed New players or even returning players for that matter as, again, I take the issue of EVE's growth VERY seriously. I CANNOT control what someone else does dude. You will find scammers in EVERY SINGLE alliance in EVE, excluding Ivy League. That's a FACT< whether it's permitted or not, it's happening in some form.

I can also tell you first hand that TEST does NOT allow botting in any shape or form. Thousands of people in TEST, don't you think someone would snitch??? Montolio crawled up my ass personally once for admitting to AFK mining, so I know damned well he won't stand for botters in his alliance as that **** could get us shut down completely. Years of hard work for some easy isk when we already make tons from our LEGIT sources??? Nah dude...stop reading EN24.

Conveniently left out the Jita Interdiction and Hulkageddon where newer players did die.
You must not realize that many new players buy accounts using the real money > plex > isk > Character bazaar.
These players then get scammed and suicide ganked like everyone else by test/goons.
Just because the character is 3-6 years old does not mean the player is.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this.

Reason 1:
When I started Eve, all I knew about it was it was "a space game." I was ganked the second I joined my first corp and left the station I applied in. I didn't know what had happened to me or why. Look at my employment history. Eve lost me for several years after that. Who the hell wants to learn a new game where they are constantly being harassed by jackasses? Sorry, but there are a lot of them here. They aren't what make Eve great; they're what ruin the fun for a lot of people. I get it, those guys are perfectly happy with the status quo; they don't mind low subscription numbers so they are quick to say, "If you don't like it, don't play it...or this game isn't for you." My response, "How about you give me a moment to decide if I even like this game enough to want to put up with your crap?" If you're one of them and you want to respond to me with "cry some more" all I have to say is "sorry, but this is my game too! And wanting to enjoy my free time isn't crying. There's room for both of us here; fail to understand your actions, and neither of us will be forever."

Reason 2:
When I tell people I play Eve, most have never even heard of it. Sorry, but that's a fact, and that is why CCP to this day buys advertising on Google AdWords. Do other MMOs do this? Ten years later? I can't think of one. Not ever. In the history of MMOs. And you know what I tell my friends? "Don't even bother trying it." I'm not going to support this game or tell my friends to play it when I know they won't enjoy it. Why am I here? Because, for the moment, I'm willing to deal with the parasites that make up the Eve ecosystem for the parts of the game I actually do enjoy. Yeah, I'm shivering and shaking in my boots, all right. Eve has no reputation; it's not known. And that's actually a good thing.

Avid gamers do know about Eve. Frequent flyers of "flavor of the month" blockbusters do not. The reason is because Eve has been around for quite sometime. It also applies to a different caliber of players. If you want instant gratification, Eve is real hard to get around (I learned this when I first tried Eve when I was playing EQ back in it's prime).

The hardest part about Eve, is trying to imply anyone needs to let anyone do anything. That's the biggest thing to get over. Eve is about learning from your mistakes, not having the inside track. Shortcuts end up biting you in the ass.

It's just simply a frame of mind from people who used to play games that had sustance and content. Not games trying to appease those who have an attention span shorter than 3 minutes.

Especially as this is quite a sensitive topic that a lot of you feel strongly on, please try to keep the discussion civil and courteous. If the flaming and trolling continues, the thread may get permanently locked (as it has had two cleanups already).

This post is correct. Both TEST and Goonswarm have done more to recruit new players into the game and give them the tools to succeed than anybody in hisec. Both groups form their entire identities around newbies. Meanwhile, hisec groups such as incursion gangs are extremely exclusive of anybody who does not have an officer fit Nightmare and will belittle them as useless poors.

You don't buy accounts through the character sale forum. EVE isn't a pay to win game - buying timecodes/PLEX and trading them for ISK doesn't exempt you from the "cold, harsh" part of the game just like you're not exempt from it if you get there through playing the game.

Suicide ganking and scams are what separates this game from ~grind4epix~ themepark MMOs.