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Max Doobie
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.08 06:09:00 -
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EVE is dying, EVE is failing, blah blah blah.
Want EVE to continue to grow? Do your part.
Stop looking to CCP to do this or that. You bittervets especially. You're always harping about how this is a Sandbox...so that means that the success of this game is in our hands (for the most part...let's be realistic here...CCP CAN destroy it themselves).
If EVE fails these Elitist, rude, snobbish Bittervets can blame themselves for part of it. Say what you will, but people play this game to have fun. If I'm bombarded with snipe after snips, insult after insult and rude jackass after rude jackass, I will not want to pay for this game as a brand new player. It's that simple.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm all game for sarcasm, pranks and douchebaggery in the name of fun but some folks take pride in their ability to verbally assault people simply for asking questions in an attempt to learn the game. Ironically these same jerks tend to be the ones who jump on noobs for making dumb decisions instead of asking questions and doing research.
"Ah stop whining if they can't handle it, then they should leave, we don't need them".
CCP stops making money then CCP stops EVE. Simple. It's in your best interest to help EVE grow. It's basic math and common sense.
Bottom line is normal people do not like dealing with D-bags on a regular basis, let alone have to pay to deal with them. I understand some of you are socially ******** and your "rebel without a cause, anti-social, life sucks then you die, trolololol" perspectives are all that you have. You figure since you can't make friends, being disliked is better than being ignored. I get that. But you are destroying EVE. That one noob you just spazzed out on in local for asking a question? Not only will he leave if that behavior continues but you lose the chance of him talking to his friends and getting them into the game as well.
That 2 week old miner you just ganked and smack talked to? He's probably gone too.
Kee acting like "it doesn't matter, screw them". I guarantee you that CCP does not share your sentiments in regards to new players becoming fed up with the elitism and jackassery and leaving the game. Case and point?
Can baiting.
If CCP truly shared your views on "sink or swim, screw noobs, it's a ruthless EVE", why have they then put up several obstacles to you griefing them? Please explain that.
They don't. THEY see the value (literally) in new players staying. Now, I'm not talking about the folks who leave because they joined RvB and got blown up. Can't do anything about them. However most noobs (myself included) understand fully that this is a ruthless game, HOWEVER, the community can make or break a game for us. It's exactly why I left WoW. I was the guy who helped noobs. I was the level 80-85 that ran noobs through dungeons, helped them out with gold to get them started, helped fit them with guilds that fit their needs. It wasn't because I pitied them. It was because I loved the game and I understood that as an EXP player that TRULY loved the game, I had an obligation to help others see the beauty of the game. All of them asked if they could do anything for me. My response was always the same: Just promise to pass it along when you reach peak cap. Take your butt out there and help some noobs and help this game grow. That's it.
I guess I just want players to understand just how much they influence growth. Stop looking to CCP to change things for the better. There's a lot YOU can do RIGHT NOW to help secure the future of the game you supposedly love. AGAIN, this is NOT about handouts (I am very much expecting the "oh when I started we were alone and had to hike a mountain, chop down a tree and run 15 miles before we could even log in" crowd to show up. My response: whatever dude. Times change. The number one killer of empires, dynasties and kingdoms is the inability and unwillingness to embrace evolution and progression. Any history geek like myself can verify that. This isn't 2003. It's 2013. It is not the same EVE. It is not the same world.
TLDR: If you can't read this, then It's not geared to you anyway, for obvious reasons. If you can'ttake time to read a forum post then I sure as hell don't expect you to take the time to help anyone. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
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Posted - 2013.01.08 06:14:00 -
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Test calls other elitist
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Max Doobie
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.08 06:17:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Test calls other elitist
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Not everyone in Test thinks the same way man. You should read the post I just made in the Miner Bumping thread for an example of that,as well as my posting history. |
Mac Omac
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.08 06:26:00 -
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Translation: We won EVE and its getting kinda boring, and boredom causes problems. Give us entertainment as you struggle in vain against our botting empire |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1196
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Posted - 2013.01.08 06:31:00 -
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Posting in rant & passive threat thread #9405.
Feel better now?
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
490
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Posted - 2013.01.08 06:34:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:Skydell wrote:Test calls other elitist
0/10 Not everyone in Test thinks the same way man. You should read the post I just made in the Miner Bumping thread for an example of that,as well as my posting history.
Test is like Goons is like the Mafia. In the employment record, in for life and it's better to be knows as Test or Goons than to be known as ex Test or ex Goons so while you might be willing to go against the grwain, don't become a liability  |
Max Doobie
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
50
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Posted - 2013.01.08 06:41:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Max Doobie wrote:Skydell wrote:Test calls other elitist
0/10 Not everyone in Test thinks the same way man. You should read the post I just made in the Miner Bumping thread for an example of that,as well as my posting history. Test is like Goons is like the Mafia. In the employment record, in for life and it's better to be knows as Test or Goons than to be known as ex Test or ex Goons so while you might be willing to go against the grwain, don't become a liability
This is a game. I am my own man. I have a mind of my own. I cannot speak for the rest of TEST. I speak for myself.
I BELIEVE in helping new players.
I BELIEVE in letting people play as they will.
I BELIEVE everyone has their niche in the great game of ours.
I BELIEVE that being in TEST makes me no better than anyone else.
You contribute as much as I do to this game Skydell. Perhaps more as you have been playing longer I assume.
If it's impossible for you to believe that there are HBC/CFC'ers that care about new people that's fine. All I can do is show my hand and let it play out. I truly care about this game and I believe new players are what keeps us going. I do not see them as a liability or a nuisance. I see them as people who sustain something I love. |
Max Doobie
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.08 06:44:00 -
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Mac Omac wrote:Translation: We won EVE and its getting kinda boring, and boredom causes problems. Give us entertainment as you struggle in vain against our botting empire
WE didn't win anything as I have only been in TEST for a bit over 1 month. I had nothing to do with the great achievements of TEST and Goonswarm. I hope to contribute what I can do their future, but I cannot take credit for what has been done.
I have spoken with many people in TEST and Goonswarm who truly love this game and want to see it grow. Perhap we disagree on how to make that happen, but the love for EVE is one thing we have in common. |
Alice Klein
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Posted - 2013.01.08 06:51:00 -
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dunno why i read this thread, i want a refund. |
Max Doobie
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
50
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Posted - 2013.01.08 06:54:00 -
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Alice Klein wrote:dunno why i read this thread, i want a refund.
You love it.
And change your goddamned hair. |
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EI Digin
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.08 06:55:00 -
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CFC and the HBC have done more for new players than highsec ever will.
This is truly the real reason why highsec should be nerfed, highseccers just chase new players away with their misguided elitism. In highsec you're either in a pimped out marauder or T3, or you're in a hulk or mackinaw or you're worthless, whereas in nullsec t1 frigates and new players who are willing to take risks are actually useful and are rewarded by those who remember the difficulties they had as a new player.
When's the last time you sent someone who's been in the game for less than a month isk for helping you? Or are you too busy racking up the amount on your wallet screen to care?
This is the real reason why we hate you, because you're all sociopaths. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
377
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Posted - 2013.01.08 07:01:00 -
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LOL, Jr bees claiming they want to help...who would have ever expected this...?
And to the OP....if you were actually the person you claim, you never would have joined Testies....
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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POKER CHIP
Eve Supply Company
0
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Posted - 2013.01.08 07:16:00 -
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It's funny so far 99% of responses are exactly what the thread is about. I and my corp try to give back to eve by teaching new players, and giving back to the game we truly love.we don't troll forums or in game for one reason it's childish, and to be frank I prefer a level of respect over jokes for the sake of trying to be funny. I agree with the op. all the way and we need more people who believe this IMHO.
Just a thought treat people kind and it will return to you, treat them with disrespect and you have typical eve player. |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1009
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Posted - 2013.01.08 07:39:00 -
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The OP is right
CC-¿can do so much to attract new players and it is also our responsibiity as a community to help new players find their place in this wonderful game
without new players this game will die faster than you think
alot of you seem to have forgoten that they used to be noobs aswell once
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
JC Anderson
Noir.
Black Legion.
892
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Posted - 2013.01.08 07:43:00 -
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Have to agree on the newbie/can baiting/player retention stuff.
I've always felt that we NEED MORE PLAYERS and not that we should run those just starting EVE off the server. There SHOULD be protection in place for brand new players.
My opinions on this have been the same since I started in 05. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1203
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Posted - 2013.01.08 07:52:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Have to agree on the newbie/can baiting/player retention stuff.
I've always felt that we NEED MORE PLAYERS and not that we should run those just starting EVE off the server. There SHOULD be protection in place for brand new players.
If you want to coat new players in cotton wool, be my guest, but all your going to create is the next generation of carebears that expect that kind of protection and threaten to unsub when they don't get it. These are, in fact, my favourite kind of tears, so I welcome these kinds of players for entertainment value. However, new players have sufficient protection in their 0.9-1.0 starter systems. Let's not forget that every one of us have been a "newbie" at some stage, and a lot of the older players didn't have the "protection" available today when they were new. It was "here's your pod, now go find a ship" as far as I'm aware. |
DrunkenNinja
Grim Determination Academy
Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2013.01.08 07:54:00 -
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Can you add a TL;DR? I read a few paragraphs and still didnt' get the point except "I mad". |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
233
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Posted - 2013.01.08 07:55:00 -
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The highsec TEST suicide ganking crowd could at least talk to the newbie miner after they ganked his venture in a system above 0.7.
Explain him that it is nothing personal but just the game, tell him how to better protect himself, drop him a million to get flying again and show him where he can find his lossmails.
THAT would help retaining newbies.
As it is now, they just leave them alone wondering wtf happened and evaluating if it's worth going on at all. |
JC Anderson
Noir.
Black Legion.
892
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Posted - 2013.01.08 07:59:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Have to agree on the newbie/can baiting/player retention stuff.
I've always felt that we NEED MORE PLAYERS and not that we should run those just starting EVE off the server. There SHOULD be protection in place for brand new players. If you want to coat new players in cotton wool, be my guest, but all your going to create is the next generation of carebears that expect that kind of protection and threaten to unsub when they don't get it. These are, in fact, my favourite kind of tears, so I welcome these kinds of players for entertainment value. However, new players have sufficient protection in their 0.9-1.0 starter systems. Let's not forget that every one of us have been a "newbie" at some stage, and a lot of the older players didn't have the "protection" available today when they were new. It was "here's your pod, now go find a ship" as far as I'm aware.
Actually, there is one thing that I thought of after I wrote my post.
None of the newbie hostility is a new thing in EVE, and the same goes for people acting like jackasses. This has been the case since day 1.
And yet, the amount of subscribers increases each year. |
XminotaurX
Viziam
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:01:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:
Blah blah blah...
I do not like griefing/trolling/etc...thats why i joined test...
I believe Hulkageddon, Jita Interdiction, and bots are the way to the future.
We will get tons of new players to join the game with how my alliance and our masters act.
Fixed for accuracy. |
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Clean Head
Sin Sensation
The Cult of Clean Head
20
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:03:00 -
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**** this post, **** you, **** test and **** goons 
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1204
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:06:00 -
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Clean Head wrote:**** this post, **** you, **** test and **** goons
Wow.... and people call goons neurotic. Or is that sociopathic? I can't remember.
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JC Anderson
Noir.
Black Legion.
894
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:09:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Clean Head wrote:**** this post, **** you, **** test and **** goons Wow.... and people call goons neurotic. Or is that sociopathic? I can't remember.
All of the above. |
Mac Omac
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:16:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:[quote=Mac Omac]I have spoken with many people in TEST and Goonswarm who truly love this game and want to see it grow.
Yeah hard to RMT without new suckers joining
Also how can you talk of wanting to see EVE grow but then you're off killing competition (whether willingly of forcefully) with the biggest blue blob ever seen in Eve
Wish null was more localized, imagine how many people would still be playing if they actually had a attachment to protecting "their" space, and not alliance space, of coalition space, but their little piece of the pie
But no, instead we get instant bridges of EVERYONE, effectively snuffing out any attempt of something like that happening |
Kinis Deren
EVE University
Ivy League
128
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:25:00 -
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I would support the general message of the OP that new players are the lifeblood of any game. It is a shame that other members of your corporation don't share your same level headedness, Max, as further down the thread we get this ....
EI Digin wrote:CFC and the HBC have done more for new players than highsec ever will.
This is truly the real reason why highsec should be nerfed, highseccers just chase new players away with their misguided elitism. In highsec you're either in a pimped out marauder or T3, or you're in a hulk or mackinaw or you're worthless, whereas in nullsec t1 frigates and new players who are willing to take risks are actually useful and are rewarded by those who remember the difficulties they had as a new player.
When's the last time you sent someone who's been in the game for less than a month isk for helping you? Or are you too busy racking up the amount on your wallet screen to care?
This is the real reason why we hate you, because you're all sociopaths.
Never stop sperg posting and trying to pigeon hole players into your narrow twisted viewpoint. |
Mac Omac
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:25:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Have to agree on the newbie/can baiting/player retention stuff.
I've always felt that we NEED MORE PLAYERS and not that we should run those just starting EVE off the server. There SHOULD be protection in place for brand new players. If you want to coat new players in cotton wool, be my guest, but all your going to create is the next generation of carebears that expect that kind of protection and threaten to unsub when they don't get it. These are, in fact, my favourite kind of tears, so I welcome these kinds of players for entertainment value. However, new players have sufficient protection in their 0.9-1.0 starter systems. Let's not forget that every one of us have been a "newbie" at some stage, and a lot of the older players didn't have the "protection" available today when they were new. It was "here's your pod, now go find a ship" as far as I'm aware. Actually, there is one thing that I thought of after I wrote my post. None of the newbie hostility is a new thing in EVE, and the same goes for people acting like jackasses. This has been the case since day 1. And yet, the amount of subscribers increases each year.
Reality Check
Yes subscribers are "going up" however no one ever factors in "Wait what about those that open multiple accounts" that means 1 person can represent 2 or more "subs", and in its standard issue to have two accounts, so factor that in to the "Eve is growing and not dying" numbers |
Juan Andalusian
Bastion 437
49
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:50:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:[quote=Skydell][quote=Max Doobie]
I BELIEVE in letting people play as they will.
I BELIEVE everyone has their niche in the great game of ours.
So why are you whining like a spoiled little brat about people being "elitist" (not even sure you know the meaning of the word by the way you use it) if you believe in letting people play as they will?
Quote:I BELIEVE in letting people play as they will, as long as i agree with it
There fixed it for you.
P.S. EVE is doing fine, but thanks for worrying!
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JC Anderson
Noir.
Black Legion.
894
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:58:00 -
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As a semi-related comment, I do think its kind of cool that the total number of subscriptions right now is higher than the total population of Iceland.
Granted, Iceland population count isn't all that high anyhow. |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1012
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Posted - 2013.01.08 09:31:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Have to agree on the newbie/can baiting/player retention stuff.
I've always felt that we NEED MORE PLAYERS and not that we should run those just starting EVE off the server. There SHOULD be protection in place for brand new players. If you want to coat new players in cotton wool, be my guest, but all your going to create is the next generation of carebears that expect that kind of protection and threaten to unsub when they don't get it. These are, in fact, my favourite kind of tears, so I welcome these kinds of players for entertainment value. However, new players have sufficient protection in their 0.9-1.0 starter systems. Let's not forget that every one of us have been a "newbie" at some stage, and a lot of the older players didn't have the "protection" available today when they were new. It was "here's your pod, now go find a ship" as far as I'm aware.
and there you are dead wrong
either you are trolling or you only care for yor your own selfish selfgratification
As far i know almost every new player knows what he or she is getting into when they first subscribe into EvE
EvE has that reputation , to be harsh , and unforgivable to the new unsuspected player, just look zat other game forums , when ever they mention EvE everybody shivers and get scared
Every game needs new players and EvE isn't different , and when those players actually stay beyond their tutorials it is better for all of us and not only CCP
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
Paper Tiger Coalition
750
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Posted - 2013.01.08 09:49:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:
Actually, there is one thing that I thought of after I wrote my post.
None of the newbie hostility is a new thing in EVE, and the same goes for people acting like jackasses. This has been the case since day 1.
And yet, the amount of subscribers increases each year.
And there you hit it on the nail.The way players are treated ingame is nothing different from what it used to be.We allways had asshats looking to ruin your day wich is what is so attractive about eve tbh.
The problem isn't with the a change of treatment , it is with how people respond to such treatments these days.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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