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Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
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Posted - 2013.01.08 10:35:00 -
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+ 2 warp strength, 2000+ m/s with WMD, hard to scan, fast align time and all for the low low price of 12 million isk...
Thoughts?
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Gradur Dohr
Spearhead Incursion Project
Enigma Project
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Posted - 2013.01.08 10:39:00 -
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nah. no nerf. just take care of your ladars and use a bomber to bookmark and a dictor to make the service.
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Bamsey Amraa
Unseen Nomads
Exiled Ones
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Posted - 2013.01.08 10:52:00 -
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Last time we use HIC and Rook with smartbombs...... 6 ventures killed with eggs :D |
AP John
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:01:00 -
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Lol, why nerf, it's the only thing to come to wh players in the past several eve major updates..
 You are forgetting the 5k cargo that can fit a couple of sites at a time
And mind your Ladars, or else I will |
LordSpock
Vherokior Death Squad
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:08:00 -
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Bamsey Amraa wrote:Last time we use HIC and Rook with smartbombs...... 9 ventures killed with eggs :D
Rook or Rokh? But yeah, this works well I guess. Scan ladar site, warp in cloaked. Createw corpbookmark, warp HIC in and bubble when landed is nice littel explosions.
But no I don't think it needs a nerf. Are they overpowerd? No. Can they be oneshotted by ArtyCane? I think so. So what is the problem? |
LordSpock
Vherokior Death Squad
48
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:10:00 -
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AP John wrote:Lol, why nerf, it's the only thing to come to wh players in the past several eve major updates.. You are forgetting the 5k cargo that can fit a couple of sites at a time And mind your Ladars, or else I will
Hey don't complain you guys got a Zephyr as last 'present'.....  |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:26:00 -
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LordSpock wrote:Bamsey Amraa wrote:Last time we use HIC and Rook with smartbombs...... 9 ventures killed with eggs :D Rook or Rokh? But yeah, this works well I guess. Scan ladar site, warp in cloaked. Createw corpbookmark, warp HIC in and bubble when landed is nice littel explosions. But no I don't think it needs a nerf. Are they overpowerd? No. Can they be oneshotted by ArtyCane? I think so. So what is the problem?
My point is, where is the risk?
The only way you can kill one is if the pilot is not paying attention or if you have pre-scanned the site. I'm not saying that they are impossible to catch but i do feel they have too many bonuses. Why do they need + 2 warp strength with such a good align time?
The energy involved in setting up a successful gank is disproportionate to the cost of the ship IMO.
Also, one thing to consider is that it doesn't leave much room for a T2/T3 gas miner because the venture is already so awesome.
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
1210
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:32:00 -
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you don't catch ventures at a ladar site, you catch them at the WH the run to when you spook them with combats on D. |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:35:00 -
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... after you have scanned their WH down without them seeing probes.
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Matt Ellis
Infinity Engine
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:55:00 -
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If you havent scanned the site down, the ship in the site and its align time isnt going to me a difference. its still going to warp away when it sees probes, no? if not, he's AFKing and is an easy kill...
If you have the system scanned out already, then they're an interesting kill. Should they be nerfed? NO, i don't think so. You just cant use the normal strategy to catch one. Hey, while we're at it, should we nerf the blockade runners, or cloaky transports cos they can't be caught by one point... |
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Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:58:00 -
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Ya, the venture does provide the alert pilot an advantage over the gassing stabber/ferox/(insert other fav. gassing ships).
But, let's face it. Bears/rabbits will almost always be bears/rabbits........and wolves will be...
well, you get the idea ... |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
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Posted - 2013.01.08 12:07:00 -
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Matt Ellis wrote:If you havent scanned the site down, the ship in the site and its align time isnt going to me a difference. its still going to warp away when it sees probes, no? if not, he's AFKing and is an easy kill...
If you have the system scanned out already, then they're an interesting kill. Should they be nerfed? NO, i don't think so. You just cant use the normal strategy to catch one. Hey, while we're at it, should we nerf the blockade runners, or cloaky transports cos they can't be caught by one point...
Again someone misses the point...
The blockade runner is a T2 ship worth over 100 million isk so no, it is not OP.
Let me ask a simpler question; Do you think the Venture needs the +2 warp strength to be an effective gas mining ship?
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Le Badass
Zealots of Bob
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Posted - 2013.01.08 13:12:00 -
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Even without the +2 warp core strength, it would still be a super cool little moneymaker.
When I hunt for them, I use dual scram just as I would when hunting any other non-combat ship. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1027
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Posted - 2013.01.08 13:23:00 -
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WH tears are so weird. I expect it from HS, some even LS. Definitely in the entitled 0.0 space.
In all honesty, unless you are brain dead, gas mining is not that risky to begin with.
Looking at whkills, there were 51 frigates killed so far in January. 31 of them were ventures. They seem to be getting caught.
And there will never be a T2 Venture, so there isn't anything wrong with the current setup. |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
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Posted - 2013.01.08 13:30:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:WH tears are so weird. I expect it from HS, some even LS. Definitely in the entitled 0.0 space.
In all honesty, unless you are brain dead, gas mining is not that risky to begin with.
Looking at whkills, there were 51 frigates killed so far in January. 31 of them were ventures. They seem to be getting caught.
And there will never be a T2 Venture, so there isn't anything wrong with the current setup.
No tears here mate, i just like my games to feel balanced.
I bet for every one venture killed 10 get away...
Please tell be more about your inside knowledge of CCP's development plans. 
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Fradle
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
16
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Posted - 2013.01.08 13:58:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:WH tears are so weird. I expect it from HS, some even LS. Definitely in the entitled 0.0 space.
In all honesty, unless you are brain dead, gas mining is not that risky to begin with.
Looking at whkills, there were 51 frigates killed so far in January. 31 of them were ventures. They seem to be getting caught.
And there will never be a T2 Venture, so there isn't anything wrong with the current setup. No tears here mate, i just like my games to feel balanced. I bet for every one venture killed 10 get away... Please tell be more about your inside knowledge of CCP's development plans.
I think... I will just leave this here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Learn2EVE |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1027
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Posted - 2013.01.08 14:00:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:WH tears are so weird. I expect it from HS, some even LS. Definitely in the entitled 0.0 space.
In all honesty, unless you are brain dead, gas mining is not that risky to begin with.
Looking at whkills, there were 51 frigates killed so far in January. 31 of them were ventures. They seem to be getting caught.
And there will never be a T2 Venture, so there isn't anything wrong with the current setup. No tears here mate, i just like my games to feel balanced. I bet for every one venture killed 10 get away... Please tell be more about your inside knowledge of CCP's development plans.
WH space is dangerous enough. So what if finally there is a little ship that makes gas harvesting a little easier. It isn't unbalancing. Like mining it has its own economic balance. If the venture makes gas harvesting so easy, more will do it, which will depress the gas prices, making it less profitable.
If you feel need the need to make a whine thread because there is now ONE ship tougher to gank when you hunt in WH's I call a little tear.
There were never T2 Mining frigates or cruisers. Those ships were dead ends, just stepping stones to mining barges. The only thing CCP did is replace both with the venture, which is still a stepping stone into barges. Given its performance there is no indication that they have any intention of making a T2 version. |
Kid Rocks
Probe Patrol
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Posted - 2013.01.08 14:26:00 -
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Ventures aint safe at all.
Just fit a sensorbooster and multiple 2 point scrams:
http://www.pr08e.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3812
And surely these guys were Noobs, but still... |
Akiyo Mayaki
Industrial Justice Corporation
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Posted - 2013.01.08 14:28:00 -
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Ventures are fine
"By the better angles of our nature.." |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1027
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Posted - 2013.01.08 14:49:00 -
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Or afk. Gas mining is YAWN |
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Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
151
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Posted - 2013.01.08 15:05:00 -
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They seem vulnerable enough to me
Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
1573
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Posted - 2013.01.08 15:08:00 -
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Who flies in wecanhavenicetoys-space without +3 scrams?
Shiva Furnace is recruiting! Small gang PVP in wormholes and lowsec. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1027
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Posted - 2013.01.08 15:10:00 -
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Roime wrote:Who flies in wecanhavenicetoys-space without +3 scrams?
+1
So I always forget does the scram need to match or exceed the WCS? So does a default venture with its plus 2 need 3 points of scram to hold down or just 2? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
1573
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Posted - 2013.01.08 15:18:00 -
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Exceed, one stab invulnerabilitizises your from the sissy point. Thus one vanilla manpoint is not enough to stop the mighty Venture -> river of tears.
Shiva Furnace is recruiting! Small gang PVP in wormholes and lowsec. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1027
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Posted - 2013.01.08 15:22:00 -
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Roime wrote:Exceed, one stab invulnerabilitizises your from the sissy point. Thus one vanilla manpoint is not enough to stop the mighty Venture -> river of tears.
I knew there was a reason I bought those extra True sansha scrams |
Matt Ellis
Infinity Engine
88
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Posted - 2013.01.08 15:45:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Matt Ellis wrote:If you havent scanned the site down, the ship in the site and its align time isnt going to be a difference. its still going to warp away when it sees probes, no? if not, he's AFKing and is an easy kill...
If you have the system scanned out already, then they're an interesting kill. Should they be nerfed? NO, i don't think so. You just cant use the normal strategy to catch one. Hey, while we're at it, should we nerf the blockade runners, or cloaky transports cos they can't be caught by one point... Again someone misses the point... The blockade runner is a T2 ship worth over 100 million isk so no, it is not OP. Let me ask a simpler question; Do you think the Venture needs the +2 warp strength to be an effective gas mining ship?
Was there a point to your first post?
All i heard was, "I want to be able to kill them easier..."
I think it needs them. its too glass to survive a light rain, so it needs some defense. The +2 warp strength is that defense. You just have to THINK about how you attack, rather than just, "WARP AND POINT FTW!" Think of it as adapting your play style. |
Sushi Nardieu
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
41
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Posted - 2013.01.08 15:51:00 -
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Venture gets too many freebies. It would be an ok ship with zero fit. (Except gassers). That's not EVE. We always choose what we want the most out of our fits and sacrifice something to gain another thing. There is no sacrifice on this ship.
Guns of Knowledge-á |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
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Posted - 2013.01.08 16:00:00 -
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Matt Ellis wrote:
Was there a point to your first post?
All i heard was, "I want to be able to kill them easier..."
I think it needs them. its too glass to survive a light rain, so it needs some defense. The +2 warp strength is that defense. You just have to THINK about how you attack, rather than just, "WARP AND POINT FTW!" Think of it as adapting your play style.
Then try reading again because all i was asking is if all the abilities are necessary... Only 3 people in here have answered that question so far.
If you use a 3 point scram all you are doing is "WARP AND POINT FTW!" so i'm not quite sure what you are talking about.
I think if a pilot is skilled enough to scan down a frigate without being seen then they deserve that kill and shouldn't have to worry about overcompensating with 4 points.
But whatever, in all honesty i don't even waist my time trying to kill ventures and it's a shame that all a lot of people want to do is mine gas instead of pvp 
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Klarion Sythis
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
78
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Posted - 2013.01.08 16:06:00 -
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On the contrary, I think it needs a buff. We can finally see the return of the AOE doomsday. A mining doomsday. Fire at grav site, scoop ore, receive Nobel prize for game balance. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
151
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Posted - 2013.01.08 16:07:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:I think if a pilot is skilled enough to scan down a frigate without being seen then they deserve that kill and shouldn't have to worry about overcompensating with 4 points.
So you think people are entitled to kills because they can scan? They they deserve to be spoon fed a kill because they can land on grid with someone?
Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
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