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Nikita Fontaine
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Posted - 2005.06.17 10:23:00 -
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Well Ive considered posting this for a while... not sure what peoples response will be but anyway here goes...
Just before I begin I'd just like to state I dont pirate...
Anyway, many people complain about ganking and sniping at gates in low sec 0.1 - 0.4 this people attribute generally to the dificulty to tank sentries for any length of time in a Battleship... using anything smaller (other than perhaps a well tanked battlecruiser) is simply not an option.
What I would like to see is for the use of smaller ships to be more feasible for fighting at gates. The only way I can see this as being possible is to scale the damage according to ship class to the point where a cruiser or frigate still cant tank the sentries any longer than a decently tanked battleship can but still has a chance to fight without beeing insta popped...
anyway what is YOUR take on this? good idea? bad idea?
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.06.17 10:52:00 -
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I deem this idea good.
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.06.17 10:56:00 -
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i hope noone at CCP gets the insane idea in his or hers head to make them do more damage scaled or not i think they could do less damage even !! scaled damage would be rather nice then pirates/pvp'r could actually use like a assault frig for a change at a gate, but i think that the damage the sentry's do now is a tad to much ....
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.06.17 10:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Lo3d3R
i hope noone at CCP gets the insane idea in his or hers head to make them do more damage scaled or not i think they could do less damage even !! scaled damage would be rather nice then pirates/pvp'r could actually use like a assault frig for a change at a gate, but i think that the damage the sentry's do now is a tad to much ....
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
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maximyus
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Posted - 2005.06.17 11:10:00 -
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i think eve should be left the way it is .been able to tank sentrys in a frig is stuiped i mean how unrealistic is that...
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Solarfury
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Posted - 2005.06.17 11:15:00 -
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The whole point of sentry gun is to make gate camping in empire space as less as possible. If sentry gun cannot kill anything then why even bother with it? In all honesty, sentry gun should have far longer range than player ships. It should do enough damage to make anybody think twice before attack another person near gate/station in empire space. Right now, the sentry guns are doing just about right amount of damage how it's range is a bit short. If a player ship can kill people outside of sentry fire range, then the sentry is totally useless thus didn't perform what it is designed for.
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.06.17 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lo3d3R on 17/06/2005 11:51:01
Edited by: Lo3d3R on 17/06/2005 11:47:43
Originally by: Solarfury
The whole point of sentry gun is to make gate camping in empire space as less as possible. If sentry gun cannot kill anything then why even bother with it? In all honesty, sentry gun should have far longer range than player ships. It should do enough damage to make anybody think twice before attack another person near gate/station in empire space. Right now, the sentry guns are doing just about right amount of damage how it's range is a bit short. If a player ship can kill people outside of sentry fire range, then the sentry is totally useless thus didn't perform what it is designed for.
thus thus thus you should not got to 0.4 and lower if you're not able to accept the risc, and stay in 0.5 - 1.0 where you are 99.999% safe, a good blockade is not simple it takes team effort and is hard enough as it is, reading from your post you have been sniped  , well thats the risc you took, can we have our fun for our efforts !? or should we just make all of EVE safe  . Im getting so tired of people whining when they KNOW it can be dangerous below 0.5 just because they lost there hauler or whatever and not filling there pockets with ISK because they CHOOSE to go in to that low-sec and potentialy dangerous system to do a mission or smth and they got shot and then desperitly trying to "manipulate" the game makers in to changing stuff for them by posting on the forums after they got shot, YOU KNEW accept it. The worse kind are the ones you do actually try to ransom, then they stick up there middlefinger in localchat, you kill them eventually anyway at the next gate, and hopla they run of to the forums crying for the nerf bat, just so long THEIR gameplay isnt disturbed and wont stop untill other peoples gameplay will get ruined, egoists.
risc vs reward.
pirates should get some more reward for their riscs imo, as it is more a hobby then a money making profession atm.
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D4RK MESSI4H
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Posted - 2005.06.17 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lo3d3R
risc vs reward.
pirates should get some more reward for their riscs imo, as it is more a hobby then a money making profession atm.
Pah .. might be for you, ive just started this piracy lark and so far 9 kills to 1 and i'm making seriously good money from my lil' 'ceptor 
It's about limiting your risk/exposure, maximising your rewards.
On Subject:
I like the idea, sort of. I don't think any sentry guns should be weakend but i definetley think they can be scaled up according to the aggresion around them. This would allow some tanking to start with but not permit camping for extended periods.
If anyone is interested then this is very similar to this and this thread.
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.06.17 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: maximyus
i think eve should be left the way it is .been able to tank sentrys in a frig is stuiped i mean how unrealistic is that...
And how realistic is a Torp causing crap damage when it hits a frig ?
Or do you agree with the upcoming nerf on missiles ?
I dont disagree or agree with this post but it does make me think, eve is a bit inconsistent(sp?)
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2005.06.17 12:49:00 -
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just think about dreadnaughts camping the gates - so something has to be changed
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.06.17 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lo3d3R
a good blockade is not simple it takes team effort and is hard enough as it is, reading from your post you have been sniped , well thats the risc you took, can we have our fun for our efforts !? or should we just make all of EVE safe .
I have to agree, the last camp i put together consisted of 9 BS's and 1 Cruiser all doing different jobs from sniping, tackling, boosting, scouting and so on.
Its not just a case of pitch the tent light the fire and shoot you know. It takes teamwork to make your worst nightmares come true.
We have our fun you have yours.
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.06.17 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: El***ER
just think about dreadnaughts camping the gates - so something has to be changed
El***ER your char is 1 ugly mofo, i thought i was bad :D
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Solarfury
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Posted - 2005.06.17 13:01:00 -
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yeah, people go to .4 and below do accept the risk of being attacked. Same goes for pirates who also need to accept that sentry gun will and should get you if you camp station and jump gate. It should not be safe for either side since after all it is still empire space. I can see battleship tanking sentry damage but anything smaller and able to tank the damage would be pure silly.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.06.17 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: El***ER
just think about dreadnaughts camping the gates - so something has to be changed
Yeah, lots of POS coming through those gates...
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.06.17 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Lo3d3R on 17/06/2005 13:28:08
Originally by: Tobiaz
Originally by: El***ER
just think about dreadnaughts camping the gates - so something has to be changed
Yeah, lots of POS coming through those gates...
dreadnaught was also suppost to be anti-battleship unless i missed something a dread is not just for blowing up posses and structures.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.06.17 16:02:00 -
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Although I'm more a fan of a staged concord response depending on security level, (and concord would have to be killable for this, just really hard in 1.0), this would be easier to implement.
But still, it wouldnt entirely help the fact that pirating in frigs in empire is impossible, except perhaps for some miner in a belt (but who actually mines in low sec anyway?).
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.06.17 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: maximyus
i think eve should be left the way it is .been able to tank sentrys in a frig is stuiped i mean how unrealistic is that...
Infinate-tracking turrets arent unrealistic?
Back before oversized ABs were nerfed, and dual ABs were possible, I strapped 2 YS-8s to an ares. 8k/s of transverse with a 26m sig radius. Sentry hit me for full damage.
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Nikita Fontaine
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Posted - 2005.06.18 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
Originally by: maximyus
i think eve should be left the way it is .been able to tank sentrys in a frig is stuiped i mean how unrealistic is that...
Infinate-tracking turrets arent unrealistic?
Back before oversized ABs were nerfed, and dual ABs were possible, I strapped 2 YS-8s to an ares. 8k/s of transverse with a 26m sig radius. Sentry hit me for full damage.
OUCH!
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.06.18 09:09:00 -
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I like this idea, its either that or remove them entirely imo.
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Cutter John
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Posted - 2005.06.18 09:46:00 -
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Just tossing ideas out, lets say there is a sentry control tower next to all gates.. Using ecm or some specialty pirate jammer created to jam the control towers, the sentries go offline. However, after a certain time, say 10 minutes for 0.4, and 30 for 0.0, concord comes a knockin to investigate the outage in gate defenses. they stay for a while, an hour in 0.4, and 20 minutes in 0.0, then go home again. This would allow small ships(in a team, a jammer would be needed) to shutdown temporarily npc defenses.
Of course, call me lame, but i'd also rather see better tools for ransoming and tolling than better tools for ganking. Ganking should be a last resort for any pirate, unless they are homicidal maniacs of course.
It's my belief that the lack of tools for piracy are the cause of those sniping/ganking setups, rather than sentry guns being too difficult. Killing someone quick is much easier than trying to lock them down and demand money, and as such is more likely to pay off.
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