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Siroc
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Posted - 2005.06.22 21:06:00 -
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competition is not equal theft. I don't see anything competative in people like SpeedoMan running around the gates of Rens and looting cans of people who is running a missions there. There is plenty of spots where missions take place, note any loot thieves there? If they had to use scanner/probes to find the loot and me and mission, then MAYBE i would say, yes, its ok, they spent all this time to track me down, they deserve to get it. But the way things are, there is no competition, it is a theft. They do it because they can do it without any remorse and consiquences and risk.
Funny thing is that I do not care as much about loosing loot as about them taking it and me not being about to do didly squat about it.
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SpeedoMan
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Posted - 2005.06.22 21:46:00 -
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I didn't say I thieved cans while people were doing missions :P Please learn to read a little bit better, unless English isn't your first language, then I'd understand your mistake. I did say that I routinely see UNATTENDED cans just left laying about after someone finishes a mission. Why not? Sure I dart in and pick those up. Shouldn't I?
Sorry, unattended cans are discarded cans, even more so than any other Jett Can in space. I don't care if you're back at base getting your indy or a fast frig to come try to haul them yourself, you've still left your cans, and you've left them to me ;P If, however, I see someone in the middile of combat and still doing the mission, then I leave them alone as a courtesy to a fellow combatant. When you're in combat, you only want to focus on combat.
If these missions are too hard for you to do solo & then pick up the loot right away, you need to do one of two things to solve your problem:
1) gang a friend to snatch up your loot, or
2) downgrade your missions to something you can do faster in a smaller faster ship or up at close-range instead of sniping from +100km out with a tanked BS without an MWD, then clogging up the forums with your stupid whine/rant that you can't get to your loot fast enough.
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Wahad Bredkebir
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Posted - 2005.06.23 09:16:00 -
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Siroc why dont you play an offline game ?
No body will steal any scrap of your precious time and money invested in EvE missionning.
Rule are defined like this in EvE : a loot can is free for all since day 1.
No need to discuss.
And sorry, about your RL stuff, I dont known where you live but in my country it isnt allow to kill random criminals (NPC) in the street and shoot an innocent people because he is searching the guy you just killed.
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AlexK100
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Posted - 2005.06.23 10:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Wahad Bredkebir
And sorry, about your RL stuff, I dont known where you live but in my country it isnt allow to kill random criminals (NPC) in the street and shoot an innocent people because he is searching the guy you just killed.
that is good one 8)
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Harlequin01
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Posted - 2005.06.23 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Darkward
On the other hand, in E&B the loot was locked for a while so one could at least try to recover it. Maybe this would help as well.
Thats not the eve way, no limits.
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Siroc
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Posted - 2005.06.23 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Siroc on 23/06/2005 14:53:53
lol, yeah, english is not my second language, so no offence ment. As for your sudjestions, i think I mentioned already that i fly tanked close range phoon. But it can't tank full wave of level 4 mission, so you have to split enemies to do it. So loot still splits up and indy filled with nanofibers that those loot thieves use usialy flies a lot faster then tanked battleship does. Plus, i can't be 1500m from the enemy while I am killing him, i need to control my range to do maximum damage, they just sit right next to them and grab loot as it comes out.
As for downgrading mission, are you asking me to move back to level 3s because some idiot has no morals? This is a stupidest argument i have ever seen. In every MORPG i have seen, even in most open ones like UO, there was a way for people to defend whats theirs. All i ask is for the same. Keep your freedom, i would not have any other way. But if person has nerve to loot container of enemy i killed less then x number of minutes ago, i want to be able to atack him without Concord jumping on my case.
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Darkward
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Posted - 2005.06.23 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: SpeedoMan
I think you have no place whining, even tho I understand why. Tons of L4 agent runners are basically "spamming" combat missions for the bounty cash only and leaving all the loot cans 150km from the gates, ripe for the picking. They don't care about or want the loot, so, obviously it's not that great compared to the cash & LP they're getting.
I'm sorry, if you leave ANYTHING can-wise at or near 150km range of me, I'm jumping to it and taking it. That's just how EVE works, and is supposed to work.
YOu're missing the point I did not leave the cans in space I was fighting several BS while the thieve started stealing my cans.
Win XP/SP1 768MB RAM, 36GB SCSI, Athlon 1800XP |
Darkward
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Posted - 2005.06.23 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Harlequin01
Originally by: Darkward
On the other hand, in E&B the loot was locked for a while so one could at least try to recover it. Maybe this would help as well.
Thats not the eve way, no limits.
Well not fully true, there's a limit it's the .5 or above space which limits me from defending my property.
I'm quiet sure that we all can agree, that stealing loot is a criminal act. It doesn't matter if it's possible or not and I'm not asking to disallow it. I just want equal chances for me and the thieve in such case. Right now there isn't instead it's even protected by CCP.
Win XP/SP1 768MB RAM, 36GB SCSI, Athlon 1800XP |
Azrael Maxim
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Posted - 2005.06.24 05:39:00 -
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Edited by: Azrael Maxim on 24/06/2005 05:40:31
You have to look at the bright side, 95% of the missions are at places where most of these griefing thieves wont be able to get.
And also very nice is that they are as human as you so they will die once. :)
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Akilah Ashaki
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Posted - 2005.06.24 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Siroc
In every MORPG i have seen, even in most open ones like UO, there was a way for people to defend whats theirs. All i ask is for the same.
I play EvE because is not like other MMO and item in the loot can is not yours until you scoop it.
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Akilah Ashaki
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Posted - 2005.06.24 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Darkward
Well not fully true, there's a limit it's the .5 or above space which limits me from defending my property.
Simple answer, and you already knew it ... move below .5 to able to defend your precious "property".
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2005.06.24 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Akilah Ashaki
Originally by: Darkward
Well not fully true, there's a limit it's the .5 or above space which limits me from defending my property.
Simple answer, and you already knew it ... move below .5 to able to defend your precious "property".
You would still take a sec hit though.
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Akilah Ashaki
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Posted - 2005.06.24 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: d'hofren
Originally by: Akilah Ashaki
Originally by: Darkward
Well not fully true, there's a limit it's the .5 or above space which limits me from defending my property.
Simple answer, and you already knew it ... move below .5 to able to defend your precious "property".
You would still take a sec hit though.
then down to .0 if your not even ready to take a sec hit to defend your precious "property", you should be comfortable there 
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2005.06.25 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akilah Ashaki
Originally by: d'hofren
Originally by: Akilah Ashaki
Originally by: Darkward
Well not fully true, there's a limit it's the .5 or above space which limits me from defending my property.
Simple answer, and you already knew it ... move below .5 to able to defend your precious "property".
You would still take a sec hit though.
then down to .0 if your not even ready to take a sec hit to defend your precious "property", you should be comfortable there
Not really a solution for a younger player with less than 3 or so months under his belt. Also it's not an option for someone in a npc corp like yourself. Try again.
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AlexK100
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Posted - 2005.06.25 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: AlexK100 on 25/06/2005 16:55:02
Originally by: d'hofren
Not really a solution for a younger player with less than 3 or so months under his belt. Also it's not an option for someone in a npc corp like yourself. Try again.
Younger players dont have to do 4lvl actually if they are too young.
Also whats the problem with sec hits for mission runners ?
If they won`t pod they pray they`ll be able to defend property firever ( as blocade mission is not only mission and there are heaps of others)
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Karsten
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Posted - 2005.06.25 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jarden
Make mission in lowsec and kill the lootthieves.
Problem solved
i agree fully.
Loot/Ore Thiefs are parasites but just moving a bit out solves the problem.
Karsten
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Krayzee
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Posted - 2005.06.26 19:27:00 -
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Just kill them if they bother you that much.
Granted I havent played eve properly for about a year, but the last time I checked it was quite possible to nuke an unexpecting thief in an indy or a frig using an incursus with a full set of blasters in the time it took for concord to come along and wtfpwn you. Sure you get a sec hit, sure you lose a ship and a few modules, but it aint like losing a tech 1 frig and a few guns is gonna break the bank if you're doing level 4's now is it?
You dont gain anything financially by doing this, you just get the satisfaction of blowing the crap out of some noob who probly cant afford to replace his indy you just blew up cus he's too lazy to go make any isk, which is why he was thieving in the first place.
And before you point out the obvious, I do realise that by doing this you have to go sit in a station forever and a day before concord stop pwning you, so you wont be able to go collect your precious 40od cans of basic reinforced bulkheads that you so desperately need to loot anyway. But if you really are that much of a miser that you can't afford to lose a few cans of (for the most part) complete worthless crap, then you need to get out more 
But like I said, I havent played properly in ages, so dont even know if this is still an option. If it isnt then I appologise for wasting 2 minutes of your life =]
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Akilah Ashaki
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Posted - 2005.06.27 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: d'hofren
Also it's not an option for someone in a npc corp like yourself.
Huh ? why ? I ve to be in a player corp to go to .0 ? 
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Siroc
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Posted - 2005.06.27 15:57:00 -
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Krayzee, i am not about to screw my sec status because of some stealing *******. Although i am tempted to make a dummy character just for that sole perpose.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.06.27 15:59:00 -
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Ok to put it plain and simple. Blockade missions in 0.0 suck. The HLW agent gives me a blockade mission at the VOL gate, thats just suicide. CCP should adjust pirate missions by increasing pay with the amount of players killed in the area over the last week. I'm not gonna try and camp the stupid VOL gate solo when thers a 90% chance a hostile fleet is gonna jump thru for a measly 100k isk from the l2 agent and some drugs.
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AlexK100
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Siroc
Hell yes i have a right to claim they have no morals. When you take something that you did not have to work for and something that was not freely given to you, its a theft.
Yeah, please give us definition of the "murder" and tell why CCP should stop any PvP on game because it annoy some people and unlawfull. In some MORPGs people are protected from that greifers ( pirates and other player killer "scum").
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AlexK100
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Siroc
Krayzee, i am not about to screw my sec status because of some stealing *******. Although i am tempted to make a dummy character just for that sole perpose.
So you dont want to do anything and want CCP destroy the mission for all because of that ?
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Siroc
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Siroc on 27/06/2005 16:41:59
i don't care if they destroy it or give me way to deal with situation they have created. Can't be left as it is though. I would be even content if they just moved it couple jumps away from busy hwy system. I don't mind flying couple jumps on my battleship but get all the loot. This would decrease chances of loot theif being around you when you get there.
Murder/PK/Ganking sucks but players who venture in under .5 know they are risking this to happen so if it happens, its ok, they have a way to avoid it by staying in Empire space. I got ganked plenty of times and you do not see me *****ing about it. Lootstealing bothers me so much because i have no way to prevent or stop it.
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SpeedoMan
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:01:00 -
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I guess at this point I'd say about all you can do is just ask someone that appears to be coming in to loot steal, to not do so. Ask once nicely, then PM them, then ask forcefully, then if they still pursue, just warp out & let the remaining NPC BS instagank them for you.
There are plenty of 0.5 that are not very busy and well traveled. If you are so unwilling to go into a 0.0 - 0.4 system, just search out one of these backwater 0.5 systems instead.
Soban... red all the way through and through |
Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:20:00 -
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Please stop being such whiney *****es.
ffs, you have your solutions. If you lack the SPINE and GUTS to apply these solutions then just shut up.
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Siroc
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Siroc on 27/06/2005 17:49:33
SpeedoMan, I agree, but still think that whole way of how Eve deals with loot stealing is wrong. Game system protects thieves? Argh....
And yes I can stop complaining about this, ignore it (not too often I get this mission), sort of fix the problem by moving to another station, but it is realy not a answer to the problem, it is just a hotfixes. Whole system they used to control looting rights in Eve has to be reworked to allow tighter control over it.
PS. i always "try" to ask by opening convo to a person, 90% of the times, i just get into blocked list. The only time I ever go attention of a loot thief when i made my corporation declare a war on his which was dumb idea, he probably created new account because I have never seen nether him or his corporation ever again.
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AlexK100
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Posted - 2005.06.27 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Please stop being such whiney *****es.
ffs, you have your solutions. If you lack the SPINE and GUTS to apply these solutions then just shut up.
Signed
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Siroc
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Posted - 2005.06.27 18:47:00 -
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spine/guts = PvP in your opinion and moving to 0 sectors? I don't find nether very entertaining. So how about you 2 stop being a trolls? Sudjest something constructive or get lost.
Originally by: AlexK100
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Please stop being such whiney *****es.
ffs, you have your solutions. If you lack the SPINE and GUTS to apply these solutions then just shut up.
Signed
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AlexK100
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Siroc
spine/guts = PvP in your opinion and moving to 0 sectors? I don't find nether very entertaining. So how about you 2 stop being a trolls? Sudjest something constructive or get lost.
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I can only suggest you to READ the thread as there are suggestions.
In my opinion friend with fast frig\sigil > forum whine
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Siroc
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:13:00 -
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I have read your sudjestion but I am a solo player, your sudjestion is telling me to get into corporation or start making friends. I do not feel like nether. Lol, if I find couple hours to play the game per day, its a lucky day, so what you think applies to everyone in the game, does not do so here. One of the major reasons why I liked Eve from the start was the fact that skills/market/production work off-line so I can play my character quite well without investing half of my life into it. So please, (see, i am being nice here), stop telling to involve someone into my missions because that means you are telling me i can't fly solo anymore.
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