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Mr Epeen It's All About Me 2091	Posted - 2013.01.10 18:57:00 - [61] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: What incentive does a player in Eve have to stay among other players who have a head start? PLEX and the Character Bazaar are all the incentive needed. Mr Epeen -ávOv
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 388	Posted - 2013.01.10 19:06:00 - [62] - Quote Cecil Tanner wrote: So if dust 514 is F2P like i've heard why would CCP put in this much effort and R&D and money for no profit? According to Zion Shad as he was talking live a few days ago on Podside Podcast, he (or someone else) mentioned that he spoke to some of the Dust players and discovered that those who never heard about Eve Online are finally starting to hear about it and even wanting to try it out. With the Buddy invite system for Eve in place, newcomers were able to try out Eve for 21 days free. The many who began to like it even mentioned plans to subscribe because of the nature of Eve. Buddies who offered the invite then get rewarded as usual while CCP earns cash through new subscriptions while Dust players learn the ropes on how to later milk the system like a true capsuleer. Everyone wins. That and micro-transactions. But unlike other MT models out there, Dust has absolutely no pay-to-win items. Not anymore at least as some of those items that did were merely bugs that got corrected later on. As of this point, those items are nothing more than a fashion statement just like the $70 monocle in the NeX store. Adapt or Die
Bane Necran Appono Astos 1414	Posted - 2013.01.10 19:18:00 - [63] - Quote Henry Haphorn wrote: That and micro-transactions. But unlike other MT models out there, Dust has absolutely no pay-to-win items. Every free to play game is now very aware that pay to win is a game killer. I originally heard DUST players could spawn more tanks and things with MT, but according to the DUST FAQ it's now just been limited to 'customization' items, which is a wise move. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 12589	Posted - 2013.01.10 19:35:00 - [64] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: What incentive does a player in Eve have to stay among other players who have a head start? The same incentive as those who have the head start: because it's a fun game to play and because having a head start isn't particularly important. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Hannah Flex Elite Market PvP Consortium 81	Posted - 2013.01.10 19:42:00 - [65] - Quote One thing I've noticed about many F2P games is that they will offer the basics for free. But in order for min/maxers to advance their character properly, then microtransactions are necessary to 'unlock' features. Some games call it VIP. But in order to be 'elite' L33t or the best of the best; the microtransaction is purchased without hesitation. I would imagine fps duders are all about being pro, I mean lookit this guy https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/fpshacker Just look at it
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 2091	Posted - 2013.01.10 19:50:00 - [66] - Quote Hannah Flex wrote: I would imagine fps duders are all about being pro, I mean lookit this guy https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/fpshacker Just look at it He'll fit into the EVE universe just fine. Mr Epeen -ávOv
Bane Necran Appono Astos 1414	Posted - 2013.01.10 19:50:00 - [67] - Quote Hannah Flex wrote: I would imagine fps duders are all about being pro, I mean lookit this guy https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/fpshacker Just look at it I like knifing those guys repeatedly in BF3 until they have an aneurysm. Fragile little egos. Seems hacks only work for the direction you're facing. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams
Mathrin Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems 54	Posted - 2013.01.10 19:58:00 - [68] - Quote Disclaimer: tinfoil hat time. What if they are just slowing exposing us to f2p. If it works well on dust many good things will be said. Then later they wil say, "yea know this is working great for dust, it's not as bad as you think. Let's give it a try..."
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3325	Posted - 2013.01.10 20:03:00 - [69] - Quote Mathrin wrote: Disclaimer: tinfoil hat time. What if they are just slowing exposing us to f2p. If it works well on dust many good things will be said. Then later they wil say, "yea know this is working great for dust, it's not as bad as you think. Let's give it a try..." I don't think anyone who knows the difference between "Free to Play" and "Pay to Win" would care that much if EvE became "Free to Play". To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Tarvos Telesto Blood Fanatics 713	Posted - 2013.01.10 20:08:00 - [70] - Quote Cecil Tanner wrote: So if dust 514 is F2P like i've heard why would CCP put in this much effort and R&D and money for no profit? Not saying that they are greedy or anything but i've never heard of any company that wants to loose money. "how does dust 514 benifit CCP if its F2P" In my opinion very good, espetialy here large ps3 community. After spending three days in f2p mmo caled star trek online i notice a lot people use stuf - items that they can buy for real money using micro transactions, like ships, crew members, items. You can buy even Eye Patch is some kind of monocle hehe ;) EvE isn't game, its style of living.

Grimpak Midnight Elites Echelon Rising 696	Posted - 2013.01.10 20:13:00 - [71] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Free-to-play is actually the most profitable payment model the games industry has ever produced. I'd be very surprised if DUST didn't turn out to be extremely profitable. not quite. F2P is good on the short term. many games that were sub-based and went F2P had limited success at first and are now just a bit more than ghost towns. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 2091	Posted - 2013.01.10 20:25:00 - [72] - Quote Grimpak wrote: Stitcher wrote: Free-to-play is actually the most profitable payment model the games industry has ever produced. I'd be very surprised if DUST didn't turn out to be extremely profitable. not quite. F2P is good on the short term. many games that were sub-based and went F2P had limited success at first and are now just a bit more than ghost towns. The caveat, of course, is that games designed from scratch to be F2P are pulling in cash hand over fist. It would be a mistake, in my opinion, for EVE to go F2P, but for Dust... Mr Epeen -ávOv
Cat Troll Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 184	Posted - 2013.01.10 20:32:00 - [73] - Quote silens vesica wrote: Dust == Pay to Win As a Dust player I can tell you that the only thing that was better than normal gear you buy with ISK was a single gun, which was nerfed to the level of other ISK guns. Plus you can get them off the EVE market in the same way like PLEX. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Grimpak Midnight Elites Echelon Rising 696	Posted - 2013.01.10 20:58:00 - [74] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Grimpak wrote: Stitcher wrote: Free-to-play is actually the most profitable payment model the games industry has ever produced. I'd be very surprised if DUST didn't turn out to be extremely profitable. not quite. F2P is good on the short term. many games that were sub-based and went F2P had limited success at first and are now just a bit more than ghost towns. The caveat, of course, is that games designed from scratch to be F2P are pulling in cash hand over fist. It would be a mistake, in my opinion, for EVE to go F2P, but for Dust... Mr Epeen still stops a bit too soon. then again, I'm comparing them all to EVE, which, considering it's approaching it's 10th and growing, seems to be the exception to the rule. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Jan'tor GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 32	Posted - 2013.01.10 21:06:00 - [75] - Quote I'd love it if eve went f2p. Every single miner would start 80-boxing retrievers and the cost of my scythes would drop to nothing. I'd even continue to pay for plex because as a premium subscriber my training speed would be doubled, **** yeah
Callic Veratar Power of the Phoenix 313	Posted - 2013.01.10 21:25:00 - [76] - Quote Grimpak wrote: still stops a bit too soon. then again, I'm comparing them all to EVE, which, considering it's approaching it's 10th and growing, seems to be the exception to the rule. You should check out what's happening with LOTRO. It's been growing pretty well. DirectX 11, it's not rocket appliance!
Bane Necran Appono Astos 1416	Posted - 2013.01.10 21:31:00 - [77] - Quote Jan'tor wrote: Every single miner would start 80-boxing retrievers and the cost of my scythes would drop to nothing. Good point. But the side effect of that is when everything is dirt cheap you'll have lots more PvP. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams
KIller Wabbit The Scope Gallente Federation 311	Posted - 2013.01.10 21:42:00 - [78] - Quote PLEX sold to pay Dusty contracts? CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
Rain6639 Team Evil 73	Posted - 2013.01.10 23:05:00 - [79] - Quote I just got back home, and i'm waiting out the 5pm traffic to pick up mah 500GB ps3 assassin's creed III bundle... the HD bundle is a bonus, but this is for Dust you can include that in your pillowtalk with Sony tonight, CCP "are you not entertained?" -Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions loyal servant to the true emperor: EVE if you need me, I'll be on youtube watching russian car accident videos
Kara Books Deal with IT. 317	Posted - 2013.01.10 23:32:00 - [80] - Quote Simply put, other "Space" games have failed with pay to play, miserable fail, they switched over to micro transactions FTP and are now making money, end of story.

Rain6639 Team Evil 73	Posted - 2013.01.10 23:34:00 - [81] - Quote Kara Books wrote: Simply put, other "Space" games have failed with pay to play, miserable fail, they switched over to micro transactions FTP and are now making money, end of story. yah, and farmville! wanna be my space neighbor? if you need me, I'll be on youtube watching russian car accident videos
Beekeeper Bob Beekeepers Anonymous 385	Posted - 2013.01.10 23:47:00 - [82] - Quote Cecil Tanner wrote: So if dust 514 is F2P like i've heard why would CCP put in this much effort and R&D and money for no profit? Not saying that they are greedy or anything but i've never heard of any company that wants to loose money. It's up to you to support them, buy a couple more accounts. Besides I think the plan is to use Dust as a huge isk sink anyway....... Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
Rain6639 Team Evil 74	Posted - 2013.01.11 00:01:00 - [83] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: Cecil Tanner wrote: So if dust 514 is F2P like i've heard why would CCP put in this much effort and R&D and money for no profit? Not saying that they are greedy or anything but i've never heard of any company that wants to loose money. It's up to you to support them, buy a couple more accounts. Besides I think the plan is to use Dust as a huge isk sink anyway....... qft. also, something about sudden clarity clarence and 'was isk sink this whole time' IT WILL NEVER LEAVE CLOSED BETA it was about PLEX this whole tiem! if you need me, I'll be on youtube watching russian car accident videos
Lipbite Express Hauler 584	Posted - 2013.01.11 01:25:00 - [84] - Quote If you are not paying - you are content which is being sold to actual customers. P.S. Check Planetside 2 to see how F2P shooter game makes money. Like every other player is wearing multiple $5 camo suits, $2.5-7.5 decorative helmets, switching between $7 guns.
Wacktopia Noir. Black Legion. 408	Posted - 2013.01.11 02:00:00 - [85] - Quote Randolph Rothstein wrote: people overpay when they see shiny stuff,sub might cost 15 bucks a month but give me some cute pet and stupid xmas costume and ill just say shut up and take my money its actually a miracle that eve isnt f2p micro yet EVE already has MT in the form of PLEX. Sure, it's sub-based still but if you want a Titan you can just buy one with RL cash.... The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures.
James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 3185	Posted - 2013.01.11 02:18:00 - [86] - Quote Wacktopia wrote: Randolph Rothstein wrote: people overpay when they see shiny stuff,sub might cost 15 bucks a month but give me some cute pet and stupid xmas costume and ill just say shut up and take my money its actually a miracle that eve isnt f2p micro yet EVE already has MT in the form of PLEX. Sure, it's sub-based still but if you want a Titan you can just buy one with RL cash.... Which pretty much nobody does. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm
Rain6639 Team Evil 74	Posted - 2013.01.11 02:59:00 - [87] - Quote that's right if you want a titan you'd better MINE for it if you need me, I'll be on youtube watching russian car accident videos
Mars Theran Red Rogue Squadron 1595	Posted - 2013.01.11 07:05:00 - [88] - Quote Tippia wrote: F2P Gëá Non-profit. It's only the GÇ£to playGÇ¥ bit that is free, after allGÇª ..which roughly includes creating an account and logging in the first time for many games, as beyond that it's a money grab. Thankfully, it appears Dust 514 is a much more player friendly model that actually lets you play the game effectively without requiring MTs to continue play. Most of these games, you cannot access content without them, and attempting to play without buying "super" gear is utterly pointless. Personally, I think the model used in that way is just a means for wealthy players or rich kids with low self esteem to make themselves feel superior to others by having the ability to leverage their effectiveness and power with money. Personally, I think if a Micro-transaction model can be expected to bring in 10-20$ a month from each player on average, then it is as good as a subscription model, or possibly better, for it`s ability to offer gameplay without cost indefinitely to new or very casual players, and for that it is capable of bringing in as much, or more than a subscription model from active and interested players, and without forcing anyone to do anything. I`ve seen Devs `brag`about there companies focus on leveraging the game content and design, through changes to game mechanics often enough, to not only encourage, but enforce a climate of regular spending on MT based on their being advantageous and often required to continue playing or even succeed in achieving goals within the game. Such that they actually target regular and consistent MTs by active, dedicated players on not only a daily basis, but an hourly one, with no less than $2-10 per transaction expected within each MT. The continuous requirement for players to spend money, based on game mechanics and design that force them to do so by leveraging content against their ability to gain resources and items to effectively challenge it. That sort of thing pisses me off more than the models which simply require MT to access content, which those often do as well. I don't think I should have to explain why; but at the very least, it`s worth noting that the game becomes available to only a very limited selection of players. Worth noting, but not what actually makes me angry, just to clarify. Obviously, I and others like me simply cannot afford to play these games. Wouldn't want to if I could, from my perspective. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub
Thomas Gore Black Dawn Rising 201	Posted - 2013.01.11 07:31:00 - [89] - Quote Randolph Rothstein wrote: its a conspiracy to get dust players pay for microtransactions to make ccp more money to make better eve ...huehue You don't believe that yourself. We've already seen that CCP likes to use even their EVE-generated money rather on non-EVE things.
James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 3195	Posted - 2013.01.11 08:37:00 - [90] - Quote Thomas Gore wrote: Randolph Rothstein wrote: its a conspiracy to get dust players pay for microtransactions to make ccp more money to make better eve ...huehue You don't believe that yourself. We've already seen that CCP likes to use even their EVE-generated money rather on non-EVE things. We have? Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm



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