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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.06.20 18:20:00 -
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The most skilled industrialists have more power than the most skilled PvP'ers. I think that's what drives them, having the most isk, having the most bpo's, having the most control over the market. But most of the guys that are that skilled at making isk have figured out how to fight somewhere along the way.
All that being said, I live to blow stuff up, and I can't really fathom playing eve without conflict.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.06.20 18:29:00 -
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The best moments in Eve for me are when I find a lonely, preferrably older, battleship pilot than myself and I get to force them to fight me 1on1; an arranged duel is always a bit dodgy so it is better to force them into it. A good second would be a small even-numbered skirmish between a few battleships.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.06.20 18:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Narine
I find the excitement behind the danger of losing my ship a motivation. I used to play WoW but if i died there it didnt affect me in anyway. But in Eve you feel it BAD! And that makes it exciting!
I agree. One of the main reasons I quit playing WoW was the lack of the virtual ball kick you get when someone bests you in combat. It didn't matter to me when someone killed my character really. Sure it cost some gold to repair my gear, but like that was hard to come by. In the end, not having any kind of real penalty made the game seem more like CS than a real MMO.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.06.20 18:52:00 -
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Quote:
I agree. One of the main reasons I quit playing WoW was the lack of the virtual ball kick you get when someone bests you in combat. It didn't matter to me when someone killed my character really. Sure it cost some gold to repair my gear, but like that was hard to come by. In the end, not having any kind of real penalty made the game seem more like CS than a real MMO.
I don't allow myself to get kicked in the balls in EVE...
I think if you don't fly what you can't afford to lose, you never lose...
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.06.20 18:58:00 -
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I play so I can please myself over the thought that I've made someone cry.
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Cosmic Dragon
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Posted - 2005.06.20 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The most skilled industrialists have more power than the most skilled PvP'ers. I think that's what drives them, having the most isk, having the most bpo's, having the most control over the market. But most of the guys that are that skilled at making isk have figured out how to fight somewhere along the way.
All that being said, I live to blow stuff up, and I can't really fathom playing eve without conflict.
You have pretty much naild it on the head 
i do all the above and fight when im in need of the other type of PvP
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Gerome Doutrande
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Posted - 2005.06.20 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zdragva
Iv always prefered to fight for something, rather than just fight. Iv always considered killing as a means of creation, of construction, conflict because of ideals and goals, to be so much more entertaining and involving than just killing because its allowed.
I started playing Eve because I wanted to play a part in a science fiction future existance, thats why I played Eve, not because I wanted to compare my manliness, or compete for competitions sake, with random people.
Eve is supposed to be mankinds future in a remote galaxy, not a gladiatorial arena. Thats why I started playing.
that is pretty much true for me too, currently fighting in eve is pretty dull to me, because there is not much meaningful to actually fight for or over (i've always had some ideas regarding creating a little "mini 0.0 space place" as a sort of open haven).
right now i spend my time training, "levelling" and gathering stuff to prepare for the time when there will (hopefully) be something worth creating and fighting for (also want a vindicator cause it looks hot but that's a minor thing ;).
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F4ze
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Posted - 2005.06.20 22:16:00 -
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This is what drives me: Machariel
And this: Using that kind of ships
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.06.20 22:18:00 -
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Currently not much driving me, basicly its a channel with old corpmembers.
Need a reason to fight and I hate doing it solo, much more fun with a small group.
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Deileon
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Posted - 2005.06.21 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: F4ze
This is what drives me: Machariel
What will drive you when you LOSE your irreplaceable pirate faction bship? That's why I am not bothering to go for a faction bship. I'd either sell it, or never fly it in any serious combat, because it's unthinkable to lose a ship that rare. It would be like taking a Lamborghini to a crash derby.
What drives me? Hmm. The dwindling hope that there's still some different fun to be had in the game. Damn these implants (and my suckass computer) keeping me out of real combat for now. Anyway, some combat people say it's boring anyway, and probably after a while, it probably is.
SO what then? We really aren't given much of an endgame "and that's what makes Eve beautiful", some say. I'm not sure I agree. I went to check out the shark can-sculpture in (Josameto?), and made a comment in local that it was a shining example of the complete lack of endgame in Eve, and the sheer boredom of some of those who play it. Someone retorted "so why are you here looking at it?" Well, somewhat valid, except I replied "cause of my OWN sheer utter boredom..." 
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Tildaras Rellik'Cro
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Posted - 2005.06.21 02:13:00 -
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I'm not a carebear, but I avoid pvp conflict. I don't care to lose what I cannot afford to lose.
I like the industrial side of things in EVE. I like mining. I like refining. I like trading and manufacturing. I also like blowing up NPC rats who invade my belts.
Plus, 70 thousand skillpoints in gunnery....1.6 mil total... (And I can fly a Typhoon...sad.)
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.06.21 02:26:00 -
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I've been asking myself this question for the last few weeks.
There are two reasons for why I sub my accounts on a monthly basis even if it costs me more. CCP have just been absolutely mangling the first one which means my 2nd one is very close to kicking in.
I'm not getting satisfaction from the game, the only thing still keeping me somewhat semi-active is the people I fly with. And for that I can really just switch to forums and other non-eve communications.
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Zezman
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Posted - 2005.06.21 03:01:00 -
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Coffee
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PsyBoRG
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Posted - 2005.06.21 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tarm
I play to test my wits against my opponents and best them in combat.
Pretty much sums it up for me that and the fun included in pvp though i think mainly the small engagements are the best as the large one's are mostly about who gets the jump on who the numbers and damage some of the best fights i have had are in small groups trying to out blob ur enemy gets boring all to quickly i find
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.06.21 08:16:00 -
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Corp mates and Fun.
I dont want to be rich i just want to have a ship to fly and not have to cry when it goes pop.
So if i have money to replace the current ship im happy.
But the main thing that keep me logging in is my corp mates :)
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.06.21 08:57:00 -
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Ahh.. the Tarm'inator. My evil enemy. Avast, have at you slaver!
Ok, basically I picked this game up when i was ill one week cos i was rather bored and started playing it, it was a bit overwhelming but it was alright. Then i started reading on intergalatic summit and thought those slavers could do with a good kicking. Fighting for a cause kind of got me. Never RP'ed before, but its not really that hard to be quite honest (as long as you avoid the rather elite roleplayers who will snub their nose at you if you dont have 12 pages of background, but thankfully, ive only met one or two of them out of thousands of peeps)
Anyway, oh yes, so these guys let me in, and at that time i could only fly rifters (god i love that ship) with no mwd or anything. Luckily for me FU2 are a supreme bunch of friendly guys and i soon got going.
I must have lost.. 50 rifters in the first few weeks. But i had so much fun it really was not true. Combat was generally a blur where i ended up in a pod or clone bay, but gradually i learnt a few things. And then i learnt how great it is fighting, and fighting for a cause against someone else who is also fighting for a cause, seems to bring a whole nother dimension to the game.
All in all, I have great fun teaching slavers the imoorality of thier system by virtue of projectiles in their buttocks. Also, have little fun roleplay in local and summit.
Thats basically why i play. PvP is fun. Roleplay is fun.
Never tried out building etc, so i cant really comment on that. The boys coralled me into mining once, but then once they realised i had only mining lvl 1 they stuck me in a hauler.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Regma
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Posted - 2005.06.21 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
I play so I can please myself over the thought that I've made someone cry.
hahaha 
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.06.21 09:09:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 21/06/2005 09:10:29
Originally by: Winterblink
I enjoy the immersion in the game itself, the atmosphere of the setting. I like doing things with those in my corporation, and trying out the different aspects of the game.
I have ships that I've bought over a year ago, they're ones that I use for specific purposes in empire. I still, to date, have never lost a BS but I tend to use it for agent missions not for PVP (I love it too much to lose it). But that being said I myself personally have a lot more fun PVPing in frigates. The money facter is part of that, but mostly it's just a lot more fun moving faster. It's the Descent: Freespace effect of being like an ant amongst elephants.
If I'm doing something else, like working on a website or something, I'll usually be mining. That way my downtime is productive, isk wise.
DO not Blasphem.
Eve is not anything like freespace.
nothing in eve can compare to teh l33t of freespace.
any way.
i play cus i aint got anything better to do.
and normaly i find myself at meeting goals.
im currently probably only playing for the upcoming stuff.
and on a prayer they will fix pvp.
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Monty Tomasi
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Posted - 2005.06.21 10:04:00 -
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I believe that everyone has a story to tell, they add their own unique facet to the game. That enriches it for all of us if they in some way interact with others and, in a game like this, you have to go out of your way not to interact with others.
EveGuardian.net to me is simply a way for people to tell their stories. To add something to the game and to make others aware of what is going on and the opportunities available. Yours,
Monty
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.06.21 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tarm
Why play this game without conflict?
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I play to test my wits against my opponents and best them in combat.
You?
Me? Yep, testing my wits against an opponent is one reason, although as many have pointed out, it doesn't have to be at gun point. Playing the market is fun!
Of course, then you have a pile of isk and you just gotta blow it up, which tends to happen rather easy in my case. Pity there ain't no RL Perception implants...
Another reason is RP and the Backstory. Man I wish CCP gave it some loving instead of bigger, badder ships.
But mostly... for the storytelling. The EVE Library. Which is of course at the heart of what originated your post: you cannot have a good story without conflict.
(and btw... you bored at work? Give us the next chapter of "A Glimpse of PIE" damnit!!)
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Taktor
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Posted - 2005.06.21 11:51:00 -
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My main is an industrialist. Why? The EVE market is said to be one of the most advanced in any MMORPG (and I have been in a few) and I find the minutae of working the markets to produce things gives me a buzz. I don't do it to make isk per se (most of it ends up in escrow with buy orders!) but there is nothing like outwitting a fellow producer to either get the minerals at good prices or to corner the market in your area.
Do I like PVP? Sure, but there's no way I'm risking the character for that - which is why I now have a second account being trained with that in mind  If I lose ships, then my industrialist will simply have to work harder to subsidise the fighter 
When I get bored with industry I head off and do agent missions - so as to increase my faction standing for refining, ultimately  But soon, when I want PVP I'll be able to switch to my second account - and try to kick ass
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Bsport
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Posted - 2005.06.21 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Bsport on 21/06/2005 13:39:10
having played a few other MMO's
My fav thing about eve is the lvl system of lack of it makes the game truly brillant, also the single world/server, and the market is a proper market i have yet to find a game that can even compared with eves market and then just the crazy amount of things to do ... makes eve stand out from the crowd thanks to the vision CCP had when they created eve
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.06.21 14:21:00 -
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Revenge.
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:58:00 -
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Hanging with corp mates actually
Am an industrialist but don't care about isk as much as making sure everyone in corp gets what they want in the game.
We share all assets and we share all losses ect. Someone needs a new ship we mine it out. ect.
Just having a good time with friends is what it's about. If you havent found good friends then your missing out on what a game is all about.
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Rhianna Christian
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Posted - 2005.06.21 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Rhianna Christian on 21/06/2005 16:17:41
Combat, always is the key to this game. (forgive me if i repeat what a bunch of peeps have said, i'm lazy and skipped a page or so :P)
I have to say i got into this game with the hopes of become an absolute *nasty lady beginning with B* (damn the swear filter) industrial/corporate gal. I had wonderful ideas of running fleets of miners and scores of factory managers all making me isk to buy out the opposition.
Except when i came into the game the stock market wasn't properly set up..."i can wait" i thought....i was wrong.
I had the image of a true corporate pvp...where if you couldn't beat down your enemy by force, you could buy the bleeders out. It would allow industrial crops with some financial clout real power against pirates, without resorting to paying for navies or mercs.
But it never happened, so i had to resort to the normal mundadne way of pvp'ing...trying to blow up pods.
I think tarm will appreciate this, i know his background in the game. And i think in the corporate driven environment of eve its a big missed opportunity. But maybe I*'m wrong, maybe most industrialists don't even want this level of copmpetition...maybe even the fighting corps would be opposed since they don't have any counter's prepped for this...but thats how i feel.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.06.21 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear
DO not Blasphem.
Eve is not anything like freespace.
nothing in eve can compare to teh l33t of freespace.
I still have both Freespaces installed for when I get the itch to play them. I still love the concept of a fighter being too close to a big ship when it goes boom being crumpled like a tin can from the concussion.
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Demitri Klashnikov
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Posted - 2005.06.21 16:28:00 -
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OMG iwant one of those Bananagedons
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.06.21 16:59:00 -
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What drives me is a desire to create something, within a team environment, that people enjoy being a part of, are proud of and that gives them and me a sense of acheivement.
The most important things to me are my corpmates, their own individual fun but more importantly the collective cameraderie, our reputation, profile and acheivements. I play to make sure my guys and girls make an impact on Eve, that collectively within the context of the game they acheive noteable things, that together we leave a mark on the history of the game but that we do it in a way we can be proud of (and yes in terms of style we attempt all that fairly aggressively!).
I don't play to collect isk or personal wealth in any shape of form, I don't play for any personal glorification and I don't play to collect killboard points. Although I don't directly involve myself in much industry and tend to do more pvp activity I recognise that both industry and pvp have a part to play in acheiving my other aims.
Most of all though, despite all those other aims and motivations, I play to have fun with my mates.
Bizarre as it may sound I have a pretty good social life in Eve, we have a lot of fun together, party together, work together, celebrate together and share each other's woes together. We may not be stood in close physical proximity at a bar somewhere but on a Friday or Saturday night I can be having a few beers, chewing the fat and having just as much of a laugh online as I would be at a bar downtown with my RL mates, the only other difference is that instead of shooting some pool or playing cards or something we're in our battleships looking to try and blow up some of the rest of you  . Ok this may not be real life, but it's virtual life with real people and those people make the difference between a bit of light entertainment and some truly absorbing escapism.
Eve 4tw!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Trepidation Prime
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Posted - 2005.06.21 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Trepidation Prime on 21/06/2005 17:11:03
Edited by: Trepidation Prime on 21/06/2005 17:10:26
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It is not until you have played Eve for some time that you realise just how narrow and limited the actual gameplay is.
Not true.
Im only playing my fifth day of my 14 day trial and already coming to grips with this.  I think Eve has an incredible conceptual framework. Its the meat and potatos that are lacking for me.
Graphics and audio, simply astounding. This game really hit a home run when it comes to establishing the element of immersive gameplay. You really FEEL like you are in outer space. The weightlessness, the cold, stark void of space,... it all feels so real.
The depth and nuances of both ship design and economic markets are astounding. So much to learn and so many ways to impact the system as a player.
I absolutely LOVE the skill gain system. The lack of hard caps and skill trees means you cant really gimp a character and can switch professions on the fly without haveing to start a char from scratch. Even better is that you train while afk. No monotonous level grind. Just the strategy of mapping out skillsets to be able to do/use what you want in the shortest time. This really levels out the playing field between casual and powergamers who can train skills, and thereby compete, equally well over real-time.
That's about where my vision fogs over when trying to peer into my possible futures as a player of Eve Online. I cant seem to set any goal for myself other than to accumulate ISK and all the secondary objectivees that brings with it. There is no "creating" or "community building" beyond roleplay or common efforts at accummulating more ISK that I can foresee. There is little to no competition for resources as the map is just too big. There is enough space for everyone. In short, as said before, there seems to be a serious lack of endgame content.
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Jaisan
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Posted - 2005.06.21 18:22:00 -
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Sheer contempt for some of my enemies.
And the explosions.
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