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Tarm	Posted - 2005.06.20 15:40:00 - [1] I've been patrolling these forums for quite a while now and I find myself constantly asking myself the following question: Why play this game without conflict? Players complain almost hourly about the destruction of property or assets; "ganked" while insert industrial profession here. I can understand why losing a ship and/or goods would be upsetting, but most of the threads that relate to this type of topic stem from one key concept: lots of players strive to avoid conflict. In an attempt to avoid sounding redundant (too late!) I'll try and keep this brief. Why play simply to watch your wallet ever increase? I have heard of players that own ships that they fly regularly that they've had for longer than a year. I count myself lucky if I can keep any of my ships for longer than a month. If you hardly lose anything, what do you try and achieve? Treat this post as an inquiry into your gaming style. I am truly curious as to what the community's aspirations are in this game. Do you play to increase your ISK? Do you play to dominate a system/constellation/region? Do you play to collect things? Do you play for the social aspects? Not just how you play, but WHY you play. I play to test my wits against my opponents and best them in combat. You? -------------------
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.06.20 15:51:00 - [2] Agreed, although it seems these days combat is secondary. If you can somehow outmaneouver your opponent and force them to engage that can be a victory.
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.06.20 15:51:00 - [3] My wallet only grows when I want something bigger and badder or some other toy to fight with and eventually get blown up.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:09:00 - [4] I play to have fun. Interaction with my corpmates (especially on TS) is where the fun is for me, no matter what we are doing. My wallet has never crossed the 100 mill barrier (been playing since beta). So I guess ISK aquisition is not where it's at for me. I'm a part time player due to RL circumstances, so I know I will never have the time to be the "best" at anything in EVE, I'm far from a power gamer. And I'm totally fine with that. I've tried just about everything in this game except high lvl agent missions & rat hunting, as those are like playing a single player game... I guess the drive for me to stay with EVE is my corpmates... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:16:00 - [5] I enjoy the immersion in the game itself, the atmosphere of the setting. I like doing things with those in my corporation, and trying out the different aspects of the game. I have ships that I've bought over a year ago, they're ones that I use for specific purposes in empire. I still, to date, have never lost a BS but I tend to use it for agent missions not for PVP (I love it too much to lose it). But that being said I myself personally have a lot more fun PVPing in frigates. The money facter is part of that, but mostly it's just a lot more fun moving faster. It's the Descent: Freespace effect of being like an ant amongst elephants. If I'm doing something else, like working on a website or something, I'll usually be mining. That way my downtime is productive, isk wise. ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Cosmic Dragon	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:29:00 - [6] In this game there is more than one type of PvP heres a list stars by the most common industrialists choice. Ship Verses Ship combat Trader Verses Trader market combat Trader combat is not all about the money its about owning the markets. For me i love controlling my local market if i wanted to i can raise average prices and if i wnated to lower them if i see someone trying to establish himself in my area i kill him by buying all local stock of that product and selling at a much lower price than he is there fore he doesant selll his product i do. There are several methods of winning on the markets and i have lots of tactics i personally love but i wont reveil them here . End result is im a billionair and i virtually controll my local market. Eve is more than a combat sim and combat is not the only way to have fun in this wonderful persistant and versitile world of eve that allows you to succeed and ahve fun anyway YOU want well done ccp
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:35:00 - [7] I shun conflict with people I don't respect, why would I want to participate in making their gaming experience joyful? Hey, there's a character counter on posts, does this mean Jade is allowed again? Convert Stations
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:37:00 - [8] I thought of making this post a few times myself Tarm, good one I'm also very curious to the reasons behind industrial style gameplay from a psychological perspective. Combat is an easy one where the primal instincts for competition and hunting come into the fold With competition from fellow corp mates and rivalries with enemies, combat in EVE and gaming in general is expected. Pure industry with no combat relations is more complex and less black and white compared to combat. Rivalry and dominance comes into play in the building and selling of ships/bpcs. Cornering the market and making ISK which is essentially a trophy of victory for ongoing success. Those auctions where industry elites bid on multi-billion isk BPO's is combat transformed into a completely different form yet still based on the same basic psyhological principles. I believe that psychological difficulties in real life also affect a great number of players where insecurity and doubt are solved by the collection of in game items and ISK. Respect could also be gained in game which could not be obtained in real life. This is a much more complex issue so i'll stop right here ________________________________________________________
OFFT	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:37:00 - [9] I play for short and long term targets. I dont play for isk as such unless its needed. I play in the hope one day Hi Sec status means something. That one day a 10.0 with an agent and corp gets some real recognition. Mostly I play to collect ships and learn to fly them all. I like to help at random and play solo within a group of like minded people. True its a Multiplayer game...so far I have been a solo player working with a loose team of connections and players. We all benefit from time to time. I played for a Navy Raven and got bored after 500k lp and cashed in. I went to get another 10.0 with another corp. I play EVE cos its there....but it changes and can change dramatically enough to set me back a bit. I adapt and overcome ...maybe that why I play OFFT FORM LIFE :SIMPLE IN A COMPLICATED WAY
spiritfa11	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:40:00 - [10] I agree, combat is the only thing that keeps me interested in the game. Every other profession that Ive tried I just feel that I am amassing assets to no real point in purpose. At least in combat Ive always got a goal to work towards trying to be the best pilot in a certain area. Every combat situation is a little different and like you said we train and buy ships and modules to try and outwit our opponents. ---------------------
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:42:00 - [11] Edited by: Bhaal on 20/06/2005 16:42:57 Quote: I believe that psychological difficulties in real life also affect a great number of players where insecurity and doubt are solved by the collection of in game items and ISK. Respect could also be gained in game which could not be obtained in real life. This is a much more complex issue so i'll stop right here The same can be said about combat PVP'ers having RL psychological difficulties, and that standing over their victims stroking their e-peen is a substitute for victories they cannot attain in RL... That type of arguement can go both ways... I'll stop right here as well ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Tarm	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 20/06/2005 16:42:57 The same can be said about combat PVP'ers having RL psychological difficulties, and that standing over their victims stroking their e-peen is a substitute for victories they cannot attain in RL... That type of arguement can go both ways... I'll stop right here as well I don't think he meant that as an insult. His point is valid. I am not a very confrontational person, but I love killing me some freedom fighters in-game. Also, recognition, respect, and achievement is a good motivation for some, including myself. -------------------
Cosmic Dragon	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:53:00 - [13] also when the markets are at a slow period i get out one of my disposable apocs and ahve some fun poding all i can in 0.0 or at a gate camp in low sec Suffice to say i have alot of fun doing both types of pvp and as i do both at different times i never get tired of eve my next goal is to corner the black market so im currently looking into it so if you want drugs im your dealer
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:55:00 - [14] Edited by: Meridius on 20/06/2005 16:55:34 Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 20/06/2005 16:42:57 Quote: I believe that psychological difficulties in real life also affect a great number of players where insecurity and doubt are solved by the collection of in game items and ISK. Respect could also be gained in game which could not be obtained in real life. This is a much more complex issue so i'll stop right here The same can be said about combat PVP'ers having RL psychological difficulties, and that standing over their victims stroking their e-peen is a substitute for victories they cannot attain in RL... That type of arguement can go both ways... I'll stop right here as well My comment was directed at all people playing eve, not just industry Perhaps i should go on about how industrialists avoid combat. There has to be something said about someone who avoids the most basic primal behaviours in favour of safety and little risk... ________________________________________________________
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.20 16:56:00 - [15] Quote: I don't think he meant that as an insult. His point is valid. So is mine, you can't play one half of the psych card and not the other... That's what I meant... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
BigBadToughGuy	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:00:00 - [16] I've been at it for a few years now and in that time I have done just about everything in Eve. Started out with a little Ibis thinking this is great, took me almost two weeks to buy my first Merlin (money didn't come so easily then). Maxed out the mining and hauling skills, moved into production and research, refining and such. Learned to fly every ship, then began my dive into learning how to fight. The beauty of Eve is there is something for everyone and individual game styles. R/L keeps me from being able to spend as much time as I used to playing, so I log in and run a couple of missions. Put the loot on the market and make some money. My goal is to learn as many skills as I can and save enough to buy one of the massive ships coming out before too long. Great topic by the way
Miri Tirzan	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:01:00 - [17] Edited by: Miri Tirzan on 20/06/2005 17:02:30 Originally by: Tarm I've been patrolling these forums for quite a while now and I find myself constantly asking myself the following question: Why play this game without conflict? Players complain almost hourly about the destruction of property or assets; "ganked" while insert industrial profession here. I can understand why losing a ship and/or goods would be upsetting, but most of the threads that relate to this type of topic stem from one key concept: lots of players strive to avoid conflict. In an attempt to avoid sounding redundant (too late!) I'll try and keep this brief. Why play simply to watch your wallet ever increase? I have heard of players that own ships that they fly regularly that they've had for longer than a year. I count myself lucky if I can keep any of my ships for longer than a month. If you hardly lose anything, what do you try and achieve? Treat this post as an inquiry into your gaming style. I am truly curious as to what the community's aspirations are in this game. Do you play to increase your ISK? Do you play to dominate a system/constellation/region? Do you play to collect things? Do you play for the social aspects? Not just how you play, but WHY you play. I play to test my wits against my opponents and best them in combat. You? I think you miss the point of PvP. When you think of PvP all you see is gun and missiles. You dont see the joy that some of us have in the total economic anniliation of others. The warm glow we feel in the the economic destruction of our foes! Riding roughshod over the broken remains of thier once proud economic corpes. Your goal is to destroy a player, for some of us the goal is the feasting on the remains of hundreds while they are yet a live. A quick death is fleeting while a long slow economic wasting can be savoried. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
mahhy	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Bhaal EVE enables those who can't handle real life conflict, to enact it out over the pixels on the screen... Must be amateur psychologist hour Seriously, thinking that those who fight, gank, whatever in Eve are somehow limited in their RL conflict abilities is incredibly silly. I would instead say the people who enjoy combat in Eve enjoy it simply because its a more enjoyable form of computer game. Shooting NPC AI in something like Half Life is fun, but it doesn't hold a candle next to combating a real person in a game. And thats all it is, a game. Its not a sign of someones psychological well being or lack thereof.
Sathanis LeFleur	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:10:00 - [19] It's an interesting thought.. I play for the rich graphics.. great ship models.. interation with my corpies etc. and I even play for the continued aggrivation, its a testament to the game that people play through continued daft decisions and outright griefing.... and NO I'm not whining... Eve is "da ****znit".. and has so much more potential.. another reason to keep "in the game" to see if it continues to evolve or decay.. I for one am hoping for continued positive evolution..
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:15:00 - [20] Quote: And thats all it is, a game. Its not a sign of someones psychological well being or lack thereof. And I did not start that line of thinking... I think the original poster is trying to "expose" industrialist' in some fashion (as a subordinate form of MMO player), asking them to explain themselves. You don't combat PVP? How odd, plz explain yourself, as you must not be a normal person... PPL just need to realize that most of the players in this game will avoid combat PVP whenever possible unless they are specifically out looking for it. You just simply have to deal with it, it's part of the game. Trying to force them out of their element & ridicule them on the forums is not going to change the way they play the game... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Tarm	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: And thats all it is, a game. Its not a sign of someones psychological well being or lack thereof. And I did not start that line of thinking... I think the original poster is trying to "expose" industrialist' in some fashion (as a subordinate form of MMO player), asking them to explain themselves. You don't combat PVP? How odd, plz explain yourself, as you must not be a normal person... PPL just need to realize that most of the players in this game will avoid combat PVP whenever possible unless they are specifically out looking for it. You just simply have to deal with it, it's part of the game. Trying to force them out of their element & ridicule them on the forums is not going to change the way they play the game... I have 1.6m skillpoints in Industry and 1.2m in Science. I regularly produce 2 different tech 2 ships. I also get killmails on a regular basis. I was curious, please don't assume I'm an ass. -------------------
Narine	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:19:00 - [22] I find the excitement behind the danger of losing my ship a motivation. I used to play WoW but if i died there it didnt affect me in anyway. But in Eve you feel it BAD! And that makes it exciting! ______________________________________________ "I¦m not even supposed to be here!", Dante.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:21:00 - [23] Originally by: Tarm Originally by: Bhaal Quote: And thats all it is, a game. Its not a sign of someones psychological well being or lack thereof. And I did not start that line of thinking... I think the original poster is trying to "expose" industrialist' in some fashion (as a subordinate form of MMO player), asking them to explain themselves. You don't combat PVP? How odd, plz explain yourself, as you must not be a normal person... PPL just need to realize that most of the players in this game will avoid combat PVP whenever possible unless they are specifically out looking for it. You just simply have to deal with it, it's part of the game. Trying to force them out of their element & ridicule them on the forums is not going to change the way they play the game... I have 1.6m skillpoints in Industry and 1.2m in Science. I regularly produce 2 different tech 2 ships. I also get killmails on a regular basis. I was curious, please don't assume I'm an ass. My apologies, but... Quote: I've been patrolling these forums for quite a while now and I find myself constantly asking myself the following question: Why play this game without conflict? You seem to be bothered by the fact that some do like to play without conflict. If you're constantly asking yourself, it seems to me you have some kind of problem with that... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: And thats all it is, a game. Its not a sign of someones psychological well being or lack thereof. And I did not start that line of thinking... I think the original poster is trying to "expose" industrialist' in some fashion (as a subordinate form of MMO player), asking them to explain themselves. You don't combat PVP? How odd, plz explain yourself, as you must not be a normal person... PPL just need to realize that most of the players in this game will avoid combat PVP whenever possible unless they are specifically out looking for it. You just simply have to deal with it, it's part of the game. Trying to force them out of their element & ridicule them on the forums is not going to change the way they play the game... You are just looking for something to object to. Don't be like a woman looking for deeper meanings when none were intended I enjoy PvP immensely. I also enjoy the satisfaction of flying around in something that I've built. Its pleasing to me to build and then use something. It means more to me knowing I worked for it and then crafted it myself. I'd look after a built frig more than I would a bought bs. Thats my motivation when I put on my indy hat.
Tarm	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Bhaal You seem to be bothered by the fact that some do like to play without conflict. If you're constantly asking yourself, it seems to me you have some kind of problem with that... I was curious as to why people play that don't want to involve themselves in combat with others, therefore I asked them about it. I was not condemning their gameplay, I wanted to know why they kept playing and they have responded in turn. In the end I just thought it would make for good conversation while being bored at work, which it has. -------------------
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:27:00 - [26] Quote: In the end I just thought it would make for good conversation while being bored at work, which it has. I see we have one thing in common... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Zdragva	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Tarm I've been patrolling these forums for quite a while now and I find myself constantly asking myself the following question: Why play this game without conflict? Players complain almost hourly about the destruction of property or assets; "ganked" while insert industrial profession here. I can understand why losing a ship and/or goods would be upsetting, but most of the threads that relate to this type of topic stem from one key concept: lots of players strive to avoid conflict. In an attempt to avoid sounding redundant (too late!) I'll try and keep this brief. Why play simply to watch your wallet ever increase? I have heard of players that own ships that they fly regularly that they've had for longer than a year. I count myself lucky if I can keep any of my ships for longer than a month. If you hardly lose anything, what do you try and achieve? Treat this post as an inquiry into your gaming style. I am truly curious as to what the community's aspirations are in this game. Do you play to increase your ISK? Do you play to dominate a system/constellation/region? Do you play to collect things? Do you play for the social aspects? Not just how you play, but WHY you play. I play to test my wits against my opponents and best them in combat. You? It is not until you have played Eve for some time that you realise just how narrow and limited the actual gameplay is. I know when I first heard about it, read about it, and even started playing I had no idea what awaited me, and had the notion that I would be playing some kind of space based future sim. I totally agree that if your not into combat then Eve offers very little. But until that realisation dawns on you it seems to offer so much more. I personally dont play Eve just to rack up more kill mails, or 'omgiwtfpnedyounoobzor' random people. About a year ago all the great alliances existed, maybe not at their peak, but as superpowers and powerful entities none the less. Eve was more a game of politics, empire bilding, and social creation that it was mindless violence and killboard expansion. It seems to me that with the death of these groups as entities with a vision other than holding resources to launch attacks from, we saw the death of possibility in Eve. Iv always prefered to fight for something, rather than just fight. Iv always considered killing as a means of creation, of construction, conflict because of ideals and goals, to be so much more entertaining and involving than just killing because its allowed. I do not play Eve because I feel a personal need to fight everyone. In a game thats geared towards simple competition for the sake of competition, there is no game. I started playing Eve because I wanted to play a part in a science fiction future existance, thats why I played Eve, not because I wanted to compare my manliness, or compete for competitions sake, with random people. Eve is supposed to be mankinds future in a remote galaxy, not a gladiatorial arena. Thats why I started playing. I dont play much now.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.20 17:52:00 - [28] Quote: It is not until you have played Eve for some time that you realise just how narrow and limited the actual gameplay is. So very true ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Imran	Posted - 2005.06.20 18:00:00 - [29] Corp chat drives me :} and the interaction with the other colorful personalities distinct to this game alone(Enemies and Friends), as sad as that sounds lately thats the only reason ive been logging on, PvP is just bland and boring now.
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.20 18:13:00 - [30] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: And thats all it is, a game. Its not a sign of someones psychological well being or lack thereof. And I did not start that line of thinking... I think the original poster is trying to "expose" industrialist' in some fashion (as a subordinate form of MMO player), asking them to explain themselves. You don't combat PVP? How odd, plz explain yourself, as you must not be a normal person... PPL just need to realize that most of the players in this game will avoid combat PVP whenever possible unless they are specifically out looking for it. You just simply have to deal with it, it's part of the game. Trying to force them out of their element & ridicule them on the forums is not going to change the way they play the game... Tarm is just curious. My opinion is unbiased. I have 40k in industry but that doesn't mean i dislike industrialists. I have several friends who are deep in industry and have nothing to do with combat. I could care less. Industry is a vital part of driving combat. Tech 2 ships don't grow on trees It's a symbiotic relationship... Having a bias against industrialists would be ignorant and just plain stupid. Take it easy ________________________________________________________
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2005.06.20 18:20:00 - [31] The most skilled industrialists have more power than the most skilled PvP'ers. I think that's what drives them, having the most isk, having the most bpo's, having the most control over the market. But most of the guys that are that skilled at making isk have figured out how to fight somewhere along the way. All that being said, I live to blow stuff up, and I can't really fathom playing eve without conflict.
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.06.20 18:29:00 - [32] The best moments in Eve for me are when I find a lonely, preferrably older, battleship pilot than myself and I get to force them to fight me 1on1; an arranged duel is always a bit dodgy so it is better to force them into it. A good second would be a small even-numbered skirmish between a few battleships.
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.06.20 18:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Narine I find the excitement behind the danger of losing my ship a motivation. I used to play WoW but if i died there it didnt affect me in anyway. But in Eve you feel it BAD! And that makes it exciting! I agree. One of the main reasons I quit playing WoW was the lack of the virtual ball kick you get when someone bests you in combat. It didn't matter to me when someone killed my character really. Sure it cost some gold to repair my gear, but like that was hard to come by. In the end, not having any kind of real penalty made the game seem more like CS than a real MMO. ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.20 18:52:00 - [34] Quote: I agree. One of the main reasons I quit playing WoW was the lack of the virtual ball kick you get when someone bests you in combat. It didn't matter to me when someone killed my character really. Sure it cost some gold to repair my gear, but like that was hard to come by. In the end, not having any kind of real penalty made the game seem more like CS than a real MMO. I don't allow myself to get kicked in the balls in EVE... I think if you don't fly what you can't afford to lose, you never lose... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.06.20 18:58:00 - [35] I play so I can please myself over the thought that I've made someone cry.
Cosmic Dragon	Posted - 2005.06.20 19:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The most skilled industrialists have more power than the most skilled PvP'ers. I think that's what drives them, having the most isk, having the most bpo's, having the most control over the market. But most of the guys that are that skilled at making isk have figured out how to fight somewhere along the way. All that being said, I live to blow stuff up, and I can't really fathom playing eve without conflict. You have pretty much naild it on the head i do all the above and fight when im in need of the other type of PvP
Gerome Doutrande	Posted - 2005.06.20 22:07:00 - [37] Originally by: Zdragva Iv always prefered to fight for something, rather than just fight. Iv always considered killing as a means of creation, of construction, conflict because of ideals and goals, to be so much more entertaining and involving than just killing because its allowed. I started playing Eve because I wanted to play a part in a science fiction future existance, thats why I played Eve, not because I wanted to compare my manliness, or compete for competitions sake, with random people. Eve is supposed to be mankinds future in a remote galaxy, not a gladiatorial arena. Thats why I started playing. that is pretty much true for me too, currently fighting in eve is pretty dull to me, because there is not much meaningful to actually fight for or over (i've always had some ideas regarding creating a little "mini 0.0 space place" as a sort of open haven). right now i spend my time training, "levelling" and gathering stuff to prepare for the time when there will (hopefully) be something worth creating and fighting for (also want a vindicator cause it looks hot but that's a minor thing ;).
F4ze	Posted - 2005.06.20 22:16:00 - [38] This is what drives me: Machariel And this: Using that kind of ships
Finix Jaeger	Posted - 2005.06.20 22:18:00 - [39] Currently not much driving me, basicly its a channel with old corpmembers. Need a reason to fight and I hate doing it solo, much more fun with a small group. ------------------------- Grand Agitator Sun Tzu - Shaolin Warriors
Deileon	Posted - 2005.06.21 01:40:00 - [40] Originally by: F4ze This is what drives me: Machariel What will drive you when you LOSE your irreplaceable pirate faction bship? That's why I am not bothering to go for a faction bship. I'd either sell it, or never fly it in any serious combat, because it's unthinkable to lose a ship that rare. It would be like taking a Lamborghini to a crash derby. What drives me? Hmm. The dwindling hope that there's still some different fun to be had in the game. Damn these implants (and my suckass computer) keeping me out of real combat for now. Anyway, some combat people say it's boring anyway, and probably after a while, it probably is. SO what then? We really aren't given much of an endgame "and that's what makes Eve beautiful", some say. I'm not sure I agree. I went to check out the shark can-sculpture in (Josameto?), and made a comment in local that it was a shining example of the complete lack of endgame in Eve, and the sheer boredom of some of those who play it. Someone retorted "so why are you here looking at it?" Well, somewhat valid, except I replied "cause of my OWN sheer utter boredom..." They say bananas are a dish best served cold...
Tildaras Rellik'Cro	Posted - 2005.06.21 02:13:00 - [41] I'm not a carebear, but I avoid pvp conflict. I don't care to lose what I cannot afford to lose. I like the industrial side of things in EVE. I like mining. I like refining. I like trading and manufacturing. I also like blowing up NPC rats who invade my belts. Plus, 70 thousand skillpoints in gunnery....1.6 mil total... (And I can fly a Typhoon...sad.)
Riddari	Posted - 2005.06.21 02:26:00 - [42] I've been asking myself this question for the last few weeks. There are two reasons for why I sub my accounts on a monthly basis even if it costs me more. CCP have just been absolutely mangling the first one which means my 2nd one is very close to kicking in. I'm not getting satisfaction from the game, the only thing still keeping me somewhat semi-active is the people I fly with. And for that I can really just switch to forums and other non-eve communications. ¼©¼ a history
Zezman	Posted - 2005.06.21 03:01:00 - [43] Coffee
PsyBoRG	Posted - 2005.06.21 08:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Tarm I play to test my wits against my opponents and best them in combat. Pretty much sums it up for me that and the fun included in pvp though i think mainly the small engagements are the best as the large one's are mostly about who gets the jump on who the numbers and damage some of the best fights i have had are in small groups trying to out blob ur enemy gets boring all to quickly i find http://www.snigg.cjb.net/ removed siggy as a part of the all important moderation
V2GBR	Posted - 2005.06.21 08:16:00 - [45] Corp mates and Fun. I dont want to be rich i just want to have a ship to fly and not have to cry when it goes pop. So if i have money to replace the current ship im happy. But the main thing that keep me logging in is my corp mates :) ---------- http://guc.webinventions.co.uk <-- GUC Site. www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history.
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2005.06.21 08:57:00 - [46] Ahh.. the Tarm'inator. My evil enemy. Avast, have at you slaver! Ok, basically I picked this game up when i was ill one week cos i was rather bored and started playing it, it was a bit overwhelming but it was alright. Then i started reading on intergalatic summit and thought those slavers could do with a good kicking. Fighting for a cause kind of got me. Never RP'ed before, but its not really that hard to be quite honest (as long as you avoid the rather elite roleplayers who will snub their nose at you if you dont have 12 pages of background, but thankfully, ive only met one or two of them out of thousands of peeps) Anyway, oh yes, so these guys let me in, and at that time i could only fly rifters (god i love that ship) with no mwd or anything. Luckily for me FU2 are a supreme bunch of friendly guys and i soon got going. I must have lost.. 50 rifters in the first few weeks. But i had so much fun it really was not true. Combat was generally a blur where i ended up in a pod or clone bay, but gradually i learnt a few things. And then i learnt how great it is fighting, and fighting for a cause against someone else who is also fighting for a cause, seems to bring a whole nother dimension to the game. All in all, I have great fun teaching slavers the imoorality of thier system by virtue of projectiles in their buttocks. Also, have little fun roleplay in local and summit. Thats basically why i play. PvP is fun. Roleplay is fun. Never tried out building etc, so i cant really comment on that. The boys coralled me into mining once, but then once they realised i had only mining lvl 1 they stuck me in a hauler. - "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
Regma	Posted - 2005.06.21 09:04:00 - [47] Originally by: Dianabolic I play so I can please myself over the thought that I've made someone cry. hahaha
fairimear	Posted - 2005.06.21 09:09:00 - [48] Edited by: fairimear on 21/06/2005 09:10:29 Originally by: Winterblink I enjoy the immersion in the game itself, the atmosphere of the setting. I like doing things with those in my corporation, and trying out the different aspects of the game. I have ships that I've bought over a year ago, they're ones that I use for specific purposes in empire. I still, to date, have never lost a BS but I tend to use it for agent missions not for PVP (I love it too much to lose it). But that being said I myself personally have a lot more fun PVPing in frigates. The money facter is part of that, but mostly it's just a lot more fun moving faster. It's the Descent: Freespace effect of being like an ant amongst elephants. If I'm doing something else, like working on a website or something, I'll usually be mining. That way my downtime is productive, isk wise. DO not Blasphem. Eve is not anything like freespace. nothing in eve can compare to teh l33t of freespace. any way. i play cus i aint got anything better to do. and normaly i find myself at meeting goals. im currently probably only playing for the upcoming stuff. and on a prayer they will fix pvp. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Monty Tomasi	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:04:00 - [49] I believe that everyone has a story to tell, they add their own unique facet to the game. That enriches it for all of us if they in some way interact with others and, in a game like this, you have to go out of your way not to interact with others. EveGuardian.net to me is simply a way for people to tell their stories. To add something to the game and to make others aware of what is going on and the opportunities available. Yours, Monty
Herko Kerghans	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:25:00 - [50] Originally by: Tarm Why play this game without conflict? (...) I play to test my wits against my opponents and best them in combat. You? Me? Yep, testing my wits against an opponent is one reason, although as many have pointed out, it doesn't have to be at gun point. Playing the market is fun! Of course, then you have a pile of isk and you just gotta blow it up, which tends to happen rather easy in my case. Pity there ain't no RL Perception implants... Another reason is RP and the Backstory. Man I wish CCP gave it some loving instead of bigger, badder ships. But mostly... for the storytelling. The EVE Library. Which is of course at the heart of what originated your post: you cannot have a good story without conflict. (and btw... you bored at work? Give us the next chapter of "A Glimpse of PIE" damnit!!) - Two tales: Silver Burning
Taktor	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:51:00 - [51] My main is an industrialist. Why? The EVE market is said to be one of the most advanced in any MMORPG (and I have been in a few) and I find the minutae of working the markets to produce things gives me a buzz. I don't do it to make isk per se (most of it ends up in escrow with buy orders!) but there is nothing like outwitting a fellow producer to either get the minerals at good prices or to corner the market in your area. Do I like PVP? Sure, but there's no way I'm risking the character for that - which is why I now have a second account being trained with that in mind If I lose ships, then my industrialist will simply have to work harder to subsidise the fighter When I get bored with industry I head off and do agent missions - so as to increase my faction standing for refining, ultimately But soon, when I want PVP I'll be able to switch to my second account - and try to kick ass
Bsport	Posted - 2005.06.21 13:38:00 - [52] Edited by: Bsport on 21/06/2005 13:39:10 having played a few other MMO's My fav thing about eve is the lvl system of lack of it makes the game truly brillant, also the single world/server, and the market is a proper market i have yet to find a game that can even compared with eves market and then just the crazy amount of things to do ... makes eve stand out from the crowd thanks to the vision CCP had when they created eve -------- \|~~~\| I run out of money, so bunny has been \| OIL \| grounded down to make grease for my \|____\| rifter- poor bunny
hired goon	Posted - 2005.06.21 14:21:00 - [53] Revenge. ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Allen Deckard	Posted - 2005.06.21 15:58:00 - [54] Hanging with corp mates actually Am an industrialist but don't care about isk as much as making sure everyone in corp gets what they want in the game. We share all assets and we share all losses ect. Someone needs a new ship we mine it out. ect. Just having a good time with friends is what it's about. If you havent found good friends then your missing out on what a game is all about.
Rhianna Christian	Posted - 2005.06.21 16:17:00 - [55] Edited by: Rhianna Christian on 21/06/2005 16:17:41 Combat, always is the key to this game. (forgive me if i repeat what a bunch of peeps have said, i'm lazy and skipped a page or so :P) I have to say i got into this game with the hopes of become an absolute nasty lady beginning with B (damn the swear filter) industrial/corporate gal. I had wonderful ideas of running fleets of miners and scores of factory managers all making me isk to buy out the opposition. Except when i came into the game the stock market wasn't properly set up..."i can wait" i thought....i was wrong. I had the image of a true corporate pvp...where if you couldn't beat down your enemy by force, you could buy the bleeders out. It would allow industrial crops with some financial clout real power against pirates, without resorting to paying for navies or mercs. But it never happened, so i had to resort to the normal mundadne way of pvp'ing...trying to blow up pods. I think tarm will appreciate this, i know his background in the game. And i think in the corporate driven environment of eve its a big missed opportunity. But maybe I*'m wrong, maybe most industrialists don't even want this level of copmpetition...maybe even the fighting corps would be opposed since they don't have any counter's prepped for this...but thats how i feel.
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.06.21 16:24:00 - [56] Originally by: fairimear DO not Blasphem. Eve is not anything like freespace. nothing in eve can compare to teh l33t of freespace. I still have both Freespaces installed for when I get the itch to play them. I still love the concept of a fighter being too close to a big ship when it goes boom being crumpled like a tin can from the concussion. ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Demitri Klashnikov	Posted - 2005.06.21 16:28:00 - [57] OMG iwant one of those Bananagedons -----------------------------------------------
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.06.21 16:59:00 - [58] What drives me is a desire to create something, within a team environment, that people enjoy being a part of, are proud of and that gives them and me a sense of acheivement. The most important things to me are my corpmates, their own individual fun but more importantly the collective cameraderie, our reputation, profile and acheivements. I play to make sure my guys and girls make an impact on Eve, that collectively within the context of the game they acheive noteable things, that together we leave a mark on the history of the game but that we do it in a way we can be proud of (and yes in terms of style we attempt all that fairly aggressively!). I don't play to collect isk or personal wealth in any shape of form, I don't play for any personal glorification and I don't play to collect killboard points. Although I don't directly involve myself in much industry and tend to do more pvp activity I recognise that both industry and pvp have a part to play in acheiving my other aims. Most of all though, despite all those other aims and motivations, I play to have fun with my mates. Bizarre as it may sound I have a pretty good social life in Eve, we have a lot of fun together, party together, work together, celebrate together and share each other's woes together. We may not be stood in close physical proximity at a bar somewhere but on a Friday or Saturday night I can be having a few beers, chewing the fat and having just as much of a laugh online as I would be at a bar downtown with my RL mates, the only other difference is that instead of shooting some pool or playing cards or something we're in our battleships looking to try and blow up some of the rest of you . Ok this may not be real life, but it's virtual life with real people and those people make the difference between a bit of light entertainment and some truly absorbing escapism. Eve 4tw! Eve Blacklight Style
Trepidation Prime	Posted - 2005.06.21 17:08:00 - [59] Edited by: Trepidation Prime on 21/06/2005 17:11:03 Edited by: Trepidation Prime on 21/06/2005 17:10:26 Quote: It is not until you have played Eve for some time that you realise just how narrow and limited the actual gameplay is. Not true. Im only playing my fifth day of my 14 day trial and already coming to grips with this. I think Eve has an incredible conceptual framework. Its the meat and potatos that are lacking for me. Graphics and audio, simply astounding. This game really hit a home run when it comes to establishing the element of immersive gameplay. You really FEEL like you are in outer space. The weightlessness, the cold, stark void of space,... it all feels so real. The depth and nuances of both ship design and economic markets are astounding. So much to learn and so many ways to impact the system as a player. I absolutely LOVE the skill gain system. The lack of hard caps and skill trees means you cant really gimp a character and can switch professions on the fly without haveing to start a char from scratch. Even better is that you train while afk. No monotonous level grind. Just the strategy of mapping out skillsets to be able to do/use what you want in the shortest time. This really levels out the playing field between casual and powergamers who can train skills, and thereby compete, equally well over real-time. That's about where my vision fogs over when trying to peer into my possible futures as a player of Eve Online. I cant seem to set any goal for myself other than to accumulate ISK and all the secondary objectivees that brings with it. There is no "creating" or "community building" beyond roleplay or common efforts at accummulating more ISK that I can foresee. There is little to no competition for resources as the map is just too big. There is enough space for everyone. In short, as said before, there seems to be a serious lack of endgame content.
Jaisan	Posted - 2005.06.21 18:22:00 - [60] Sheer contempt for some of my enemies. And the explosions. Just too orangey for crows.
Cicci Belladonna	Posted - 2005.06.21 18:31:00 - [61] I play because I'll be long dead before anyone can explore the heavens irl. In space no-one can hear you ***** about PMT!
OffBeaT	Posted - 2005.06.21 20:02:00 - [62] Edited by: OffBeaT on 21/06/2005 20:03:06 I have played so many games in the past that too miss this one as a gamer I just canÆt do! OffBeaT can say he was here in eve and played it. Truly played it, not just hung around for a few months. I am not a groupie kind of person in life so I enjoy gaming alone for the most part. To me it is more peaceful then the hassle and bussle of corps life. So I enjoy npcing deep in 00 space. ItÆs relaxing after a hard day at work or whatever. I also play for revenge; I have never picked a fight unfairly unless it was an act of war. Despite some think me a bully. Some one-man bully I am.J I have always been attacked first or insulted. OffBeaT only fights for pride, loyalty of his friends and honor. I wont too see the restore of the SanshaÆs Nation, witch would be the conquest of providence/catch and I think some of stain buys the caldari peoples. This was once a caldari owned state outside of caldari and a great Caldari Nation. I have studied the stories about the sanahaÆs peoples and feel that they are cover up stories only too serve the propose of three nations, the Amarrians, the Gallenteans, the Nefantars. Thesis three nations manly the Gallenteans who are our most hated enemies where in fact greatly worried and jealous of the caldria corps being favored buy the Jovians an acquiring jovian tec. Witch gave the caldria corps a edge over the three said above. Or ships where better, our solders where better, our peoples more disciplined and selfless for our corps. This conquest of the sanshaÆs caldria nation had stopped us from taking back our home world. This cannot go UN corrected. If we are too take back our home world we must re-take the sanshaÆs state back and solve its riddle. I feel the caldrai are still favored buy the Jovians and somewhere deep with in that old nation gave us the edge with the Jovians. The question is what was it? Where is it? Then, why did the Jovians trade so much for it with their tec that gave sansha (i.e.) the caldria peoples, a strong hand with them. OffBeaT is supices it had too do with their sickness in some way. I am ****ed off that all the 00 agents that I can find for the old sansha æs nation for true creation and true power are in allied owned systems. so canÆt do any of these missions because they are all in stain or oter allied owned space. L No far, I wont some fun too out here. Why canÆt I get at this agent as well? Put some more stations in prov so I can find these agents as well.
Chee	Posted - 2005.06.21 20:34:00 - [63] As has been said, the atmosphere keeps me tied to eve. I have never had alot of ISK, max 500m, and it isnt my goal either, I feel absolutely nothing when I gain alot of ISK or spend/lose it. though I have to admit: a little part of me is hoping ever since jan 2002 to own a titan Its not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
Ashley Sky	Posted - 2005.06.21 21:54:00 - [64] I am a thief and a villain as some people know. I enjoy the popularity, the social player interaction, the friends and the enemies. I like being able to play solo for short periods of time, or play longer, and call on a variety of friends to engage in evil destruction. There are always laughs, sometimes tears. I really enjoy tormenting people who don't actually realize that this is only a game.
Srewolf Bane	Posted - 2005.06.21 22:52:00 - [65] This game rocks because there is so much you CAN do! Myself I am in it for the PvP, but I wouldn't even be here if that were the only focus in this game. What I mean is, without the miners and traders to produce pirates, I would have no reason to be here. Now it seems the game is turning towards a real conquest game which is soooo perfect! Now the miners have even more to work for than just a fat wallet, and where there's miners there will be pirates and that's where you will find me..... destroying them Pirates! (of course I am still a noob, so the pirates are safe for now...hehe...)
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2005.06.22 00:40:00 - [66] gatorade... ...but in all seriousness the bpo lottery.
Tenashi	Posted - 2005.06.22 00:56:00 - [67] playing (now) to see my wallet increase and then blow it all on buying TS mods for my poor helpless arma u can have 4bil in wallet but what`s the good if u can`t have fun with it? with a ship u can have fun, investing in bpo`s is nice but no fun what`s more fun of a goal to build a "faction" ship and have fun with it while "building"? Everlasting Vendetta - EVE Search
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.06.22 02:03:00 - [68] I strive to being able to fly each and every ship in the game. Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming!
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.06.22 02:42:00 - [69] I have no problem with conflict. It's what I play eve for, actually. If it were just a mining sim, I'd be incredibly bored of it by now. In saying that, I am smething of a carebear. While, a few days ago, I was sieging someone's POS, I'm always more comfortable not being on anyone's Kill on Sight list and I don't know if I could declare war on someone. I would welcome the challenge, though, I suppose. Good question. Why DO I play eve? At the moment, I'm not too sure. I settled in a small 0.2 system called Thelan about six months to a year ago. Since then, I've learned to call it home and I've always had a dream of dominating it. If I had the resources, I'd have had a large POS at every moon. If it were possible, I'd have mobile warp dissipators everywhere and force everyone entering to submit to cargo scans. I'd cut my little deadend system off from the rest of Eve and call it my own, my corporation would have carved ourselves a little slice of the universe to call our own. But now the place is swarming with people, there are POS at all the good moons and I'm not sure if I want to stay or not. The locals are making life very difficult for me lately and it's kind of making me want to leave Eve altogether. I think I would like to move to 0.0. OK, why do I play eve? That was the question. What are my goals? At the moment, I have a few goals. Gaining ISK is never one of my goals. ISK is a means to an end, it's not an end in itself. I will happily trade for a while to make ISK but only if I need it for something. I would be considered relatively rich, having total assets easilly in excess of a billion ISK, but I ony care because it buys things for my corporation. I spent my own money on two large POS and equipment for them. So what are my goals? To set these bloody POS up somewhere. What else? Besides domination of my home system (CCP will give me it some day, you'll see ^^), there's a 10/10 serpentis complex in Fountain that I would like to demolish. It's basically serpentis HQ, one of their huge construction yards filled with battleships. I'm something of an armour tanking enthusiast and having 6000HP and 94% resistances with six large remote repairers running on me should be enough, I think ;). Since you can pay fountain 5mil to enter their space for hunting, we should be able to easilly get out there. What else? I don't have any other real objectives besides getting the skills for a new ship. My goal was the Deimos and now I have that (and it rocks), so my new goal it he buzzard, the caldari covert ops frigate. I want that one because it has enough CPU to fit a scan probe launcher and a covert ops cloaking device at the same time if you fit it with T2 CPUs and have some good skills. Should make for an excellent safespot buster since you can have your fleet warp right on top of someone. I have a question for the original poster. You mention you lose a lot of ships. How can you afford to lose so many ships? That's the reason most people sit about mining all day and complain when their ship is destroyed, they have to mine for a long time to replace it. If you're part of some 0.0 alliance or something, though, you've no worries. One night of mining and you can afford to replace a battleship a few times.
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.06.22 03:19:00 - [70] No matter the loss, you still have more than you started with. Once you realize the above, Eve is immensely more fun. I play to help other people play, I know that sounds weird, but I enjoy Eve the most when I am helping someone else enjoy it. I can solo in many things, but nothing is quite the same as helping someone realize just how big the game is and how fun it can be. If I was greedy, my wallet would be 10x it's current size...and so would my assets. But what would I be able to do with it? Buying a Machariel would be nice...earning one...nicer, and I can enlist the help of all those friends I made along the way :) I play to win, but my definition of winning is pretty dynamic. ~Sobe
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.06.22 03:47:00 - [71] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi No matter the loss, you still have more than you started with. That is very true. It's the experience that counts, otherwise you're mising out on a part of the game ;).
Ogadei	Posted - 2005.06.24 22:17:00 - [72] Good question, and I enjoy the many thoughtful responses. For me, I play because of the technical depth of the game. Everything else is based on that; how you hunt, mine, PvP, etc. To CCP's credit, the variety of hardware, skills, and 'stuff' is excellent. I like that I can work on skills and not have to be logged in (how many years did I devote to Everquest? Don't ask mate....don't ask...) Not much experience PvP, but when I do, it's intense. The tension creates a very real risk/reward situation, so one must think about what they are doing. It also allows me to play in a world not too far away from my favorite SciFi books; that would be the one with a nasty little frigate named Trumpet. Maybe someday the Amnion will show up??? /evil grin
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2005.06.24 22:39:00 - [73] My irl GF has played Eve for 16 months. After 4months of play she got a Megathron. She has used used it to chain and mine ever since. Same Meg and not lost it once. Well in this past year I have heard at least once a week "When Can I take it out to play" and my reply has always been "When CCP fixs Hybrids!". She in the mean time has flown a variety of oter ships,Afs,Intys,Covert Ops and is saving for a Stealth Bomber and Crystals for her modulated miner 2s. Keeping a BS for a year is a good thing. IF you go out and are willing to lose other ships. Now my girlfriend has a Meg and is about ready to fly out and fight with it. Thank you CCP for giving my girlfriend one less reason to b*tch at me. My gaming style is wierd for a pvper. I actually play to have fun. I don't record all my loses or kills and frankly don't care I want to have FUN. Thats why people made video games in the first place. TO HAVE FUN!!!! So what if you lose your ship,some of my best PVP memories were the ones where I didn't warp out and got ganked. undisputed lord of the forums Im older then I look
Marruni	Posted - 2005.06.25 00:32:00 - [74] What brings me fun in this game is flying around low sec space, meeting interresting people, chatting and sometimes fighting
Gorath Vaan	Posted - 2005.06.25 04:16:00 - [75] Quote: Not just how you play, but WHY you play. I reckon there are two types of players in Eve. Creative and Destructive. There are those who see a beautiful game with many desirable things to acquire that enhance that beauty and there are players who see the same beauty and want to smash it to pieces as big and as quick as possible. But hey... Who am I to comment on your childhood? Every item in the game is art. Depending on your personal perspective owning more of that art can be fulfilling and an objective in itself. Destroying it may be equally satisfying as in Eve it is all uniquely replacable. But... Go to any gathering... Some people talk, some speak little. Why ask why? Live and let live. You can please all the people... if they have enough space to be themselves. Manipulation leads to rebellion. Ask any dictator. If a population is not allowed to play its own way because of over complicated or restrictive rulings then the stick out weighs the carrots and you have to find another world. One to one... Eve offers the choice. Just because you don't pvp like a frantic buzzard doesn't mean you don't fight. Some people still know how to play to relax. Everywhere else gaming has become sedentary thrill seeking. Eve allows another way to work alongside the maniacal psychopathic tendencies displayed everywhere else. A game is what you have fun doing. Ice Hockey/Football or Poker/Carpet Bowls no one should be forced to play the one they dislike. Better stop... but there's more! LOL
space fox	Posted - 2005.06.25 08:52:00 - [76] auto piolt, sorry i couldnt reist that one
Fat Willy	Posted - 2005.06.25 10:09:00 - [77] EVE allows so many player styles. I don't know any other game that allows PvP to sit so comfortably alongside SIM-CITY type asset growers, for instance. You can pretty much role-play any rl activity - big business, con-man, mugger, speed-freak... and the 'alt' facility allows you to do all of these with different characters. Thats what makes this game so cool.

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