Except the 'High Ends' are actually lower value than some of the Low Sec stuff now.
This could actually just be an update to the Rorq, who needs a new ship. Given they need to fix it when they kill OGB.

nope, they'll just carry on mining the high end minerals because A) it's easier, and B) it's more economical to mine the lucrative ores, sell what you don't need, and purchase what you do need.

You missed the industry revamp for 0.0 part of it, didn't you?

Obviously changes need to happen to mineral distribution and production facilities, but most importantly static moon mining needs to go as the primary alliance money maker, to promote industry.

With such changes, you need conflict drivers, and nothing drives conflict as capital ships committed in space

How CCP has gone on for so long thinking that 1 person fueling and emptying towers, and not entire fleets out in space is how alliances should earn ISK is beyond me.

Griefer Tears over the fact they need two destroyers to gank most barges now, not one. How terrible for them :P
That said, I really have no issue with capital mining ships, they provide a better 'end game' for a miner, which also leads naturally into null.

Yet I'm pretty sure it won't have a significant impact on mineral prices at the same time because of the training time to get into a Capital ship vs a barge, and the number of barges out there mining every day vs the number of cap ships.

doesn't matter if they revamp industry, you're still going to mine the most lucrative ore, and sell it to buy what you need. industry revamps aren't guaranteed to change market prices to make mining low end ores more lucrative (and, why should it?).

as far as mining and industry goes, there are far more important things that need to happen than a "capital waste of space" ship like this.

I believe ideas about what kind of ships should be made should be in Features and Ideas subsection. I would be fine with a capital mining barge under the following condition: 10 minute siege cycle that gives no more than 175-200% yield of a hulk, but outside of siege it would be nearabouts useless.

I think you should stop looking at industry and 0.0 conflict as 2 separate ecosystems. You're a bit too focused on the individual ISK/h part of the equation. Which is exactly the opposite of what everyone in 0.0 is asking for in regards to this.

i have no idea what point you're trying to make with that post.

I'm talking about large scale industrial operations as conflict drivers and alliance level income in 0.0 GÇô and the possibility of capital mining ships being part of that. Player controlled assets that need to be committed to the activity.

You are continuously talking about mineral prices and ISK per hour income. Hence my jab at you trying to see the bigger picture.

Obviously something like that is going to need appropriate risk vs. reward, but centering the discussion around that is rather counter-productive.

If everything was pure ISK/h there would be 1 activity in EVE and everyone would do just that.

*shrug* to be fair, people mine for isk, or so they can be afk (so you still want good isk/hour, really).

Individuals in hi-sec do this.

OGB changes wont do anything for 0.0 conflicts. In its current form industry in 0.0 rarely goes above the individual level, and even corp level is too small to drive conflict on a steady basis.

0.0 industry needs to move from singleplayer moon-goo activities to something that can create content on alliance level ( besides timers on towers belonging to huge coalitions).

Catching a few mining barges isn't alliance level content, and doesn't really happen because 0.0 industry boils down to producing caps with imported minerals, which equates to the conflict around these activities being structure shoots.

Now an alliance level, ISK-generating activity, that roaming sized fleets can attack and defend is what more and more 0.0 inhabitans are asking for. It can't just be more boring structures and timers tho. Cap-sized industrials however fit the bill, but are currently singleplayer activities found in POS shields and on jump bridges. Generating content for the few, not the masses, and with no incentive for alliances to support.

This has nothing to do with semi-afk miners in hi-sec, and even if a revamp did affect low-end prices? *shrug* They are way too valuable at the moment anyway, compared to what CCP intended when they distributed them across EVE.

and a capital mining ship won't do anything for 0.0 conflicts either.

and a capital mining ship won't do anything for 0.0 conflicts either.

... and the wailing in torment would begin anew from Null... since there would never be roids big enough to make a "capital barge" worthwhile...

I WILL NEVER LOSE HOPE!

Sounds like you've never mined the Spud. Or been in an Industry upgrade hidden belt at all.

Sounds like you've never mined the Spud. Or been in an Industry upgrade hidden belt at all.

but are you an industrialist in nullsec?

so long as it can cloak, align in under 5 secs, and fits inside a small POS people will use it, otherwise no one ever will.


joking aside, i like the idea of a heavy duty mining platform that can only fly in null. one of the problems of null/low extraction is that yields are as crap as they are in high, the only advantage is having a roq giving bonuses. yet, i think the real reason mining sucks in null is because of refining yields, and the low yield of low ends, and outposts that suck for pretty much everything but spinning your ship.


i can live with the low yields, since we can hit that spodumain rock forever and it wont die. but whats the point of getting mins if anything smaller than a super is better manufactured in high sec?