If CCP gives you a medal for THIS it will be really a shame.
FW system control is 98% a PVE mechanic. Carebear plexer wonderland.
Don-¦t really know why you are proud for it.

If CCP gives you a medal for THIS it will be really a shame.
FW system control is 98% a PVE mechanic. Carebear plexer wonderland.
Don-¦t really know why you are proud for it.

If CCP gives you a medal for THIS it will be really a shame.
FW system control is 98% a PVE mechanic. Carebear plexer wonderland.
Don-¦t really know why you are proud for it.

you guys had a substantial numbers AND logistics advantage.

Still, taking the whole warzone is a very difficult thing to accomplish, I think everybody who is in CalMil at this point is going to stay in CalMil for the time being. Looking forward to more gf's as we try and take back our space

~Simyaldee

They should get a medal if they have everything after downtime.

It is only fair.

Agreed, it's only fair that the Gallente get a medal when the Caldari got a medal for doing the exact same thing, even if the mechanics are different.

Saying this was particularly hard though is somewhat disingenuous. Sure the button orbiting must have been time consuming and annoying, and harassment by Caldari Militia was probably slightly difficult to handle in certain situations, you guys had a substantial numbers AND logistics advantage.

Still, taking the whole warzone is a very difficult thing to accomplish, I think everybody who is in CalMil at this point is going to stay in CalMil for the time being. Looking forward to more gf's as we try and take back our space

~Simyaldee

Have your noob alliance and it's 60% isk efficiency come into Gallente space and we'll show you what sort of PVE we can do to you :)

CCP saw fit to grant a medal to the Caldari when the war-zone was 'won' by after-DT plexers and the occasional standings-exploiter, there was hardly any fighting of any mention at all. THAT was the PVE medal, for the Caldari victory over the Federation NPC ships opposing them, along with that tiny group that tried anyhow and was woefully unable to stop the tide.

This medal is going out for years of FIGHTING between the PLAYERS for an achievement earned with what FW was supposed to be: Factional Warfare. As such, it is far more deserved than the Caldari medal could ever hope to be and is a PVP medal for all intents and purposes, regardless of any Caldari whining to the contrary.

*EDIT* Oh and btw CCP, if anyone of you are reading this, don't give my toon here a medal - I have not been able to be around with any consistency for the last half a year at least and was not part of... any of the major and minor efforts to have this done :-¦(

Ohh I see the blob coming (that's after jumping in 5 x OGB alt's first), give me a break

Are you honestly still crying about some sort of mythical DT advantage that Caldari had? Seriously, there was never any mechanic that didn't allow Galentte to undock and counter plex back then. Hell you could even dock in any system you choose.

You guys had the same opportunity to undock after DT as Caldari did, you just didn't do it and you still cry about it to this day.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Says the guy that I had to scroll through six, I say again, six pages on Battleclinic to find a solo kill. Hey I just met you, and this is crazy, but you're spouting stupid, so die in a fire maybe?

Try 1vs1 in Amarr vs Minm :P
98% of all cases you get blobbed :P

And I already saw what gal militia is. We could rename it to warp core stab militia. I mean who the hell has warp core stabbers on slicers, vexors etc and runs away from a hookbill in a vexor???
Even minnies aren-¦t that.... erm...no words.

Really don-¦t see any reason for a medal.
BTW CCP you know that DUST is very much about fw and it will be a total fail with this fail version of fw?
I am really sick of all those pesky stabbed gals in amarr space. And that is probably only the beginning.
What do we see next? Legion, Loki, Tengu and Proteus boosts in ONE system???
Probably in Kamela....

Try 1vs1 in Amarr vs Minm :P
98% of all cases you get blobbed :P

Simple case of social darwinism. Terrible players hit up the forums to cry about how the other side don't do honourable 1v1s and it's all blobs and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!

Better players set up a ship that can win 1v5 or 1v6

Try harder and the rewards shall be yours :)

only who need a medal is DEV who worked this out.

True.... really true.

Eh, it's an accomplishment. It's not the accomplishment, like some Gal FWers would make it. The Caldari occupation of all systems took a heck of a lot of work, and yes, it was somewhat easier to plex, with cloaks and other tactics still working, but I don't buy that it somehow "didn't count". On the other hand, the Gals had a huge advantage handed to them when CCP decided to essentially freeze the warzone see-saw with them in charge with virtually no warning, which was damn strange considering the week in advance notice we get for other patches. This lead to a large part of the active Caldari militia quitting in disgust. This made things considerably easier for the Gals, but it still counts too.

Anyway, that's not something the Gal FWers at large could control, and they did have to do a lot of plexing to take the final systems - so yes, they should get a medal. You'll get it, too: CCP has a pretty obvious bias towards the "good guys" in the fight, so you should get some flattering news items, a medal, and CCP will probably have the Gallente retake Caldari Prime and kill Tibus Heth or something. Enjoy it, see if you can get a couple Chrons written as well, and I'd suggest cashing your Gal LP either fairly soon or holding onto it for the long term.

Eh, it's an accomplishment. It's not the accomplishment, like some Gal FWers would make it. The Caldari occupation of all systems took a heck of a lot of work, and yes, it was somewhat easier to plex, with cloaks and other tactics still working, but I don't buy that it somehow "didn't count". On the other hand, the Gals had a huge advantage handed to them when CCP decided to essentially freeze the warzone see-saw with them in charge with virtually no warning, which was damn strange considering the week in advance notice we get for other patches. This lead to a large part of the active Caldari militia quitting in disgust. This made things considerably easier for the Gals, but it still counts too.

Anyway, that's not something the Gal FWers at large could control, and they did have to do a lot of plexing to take the final systems - so yes, they should get a medal. You'll get it, too: CCP has a pretty obvious bias towards the "good guys" in the fight, so you should get some flattering news items, a medal, and CCP will probably have the Gallente retake Caldari Prime and kill Tibus Heth or something. Enjoy it, see if you can get a couple Chrons written as well, and I'd suggest cashing your Gal LP either fairly soon or holding onto it for the long term.

*tears*

So.... when / where / how / what colour etc etc.

Many people have lost their balls running pve content to grind towards this moment, maybe then a pair of sweaty balls on a little red cross plaque would be appropriate?

I don't think Gallente will get the medal because they didn't hold the systems for one week.

It's obvious that CCP realises the current situation is solely the result of the botched system introduced by the Ninja Patch and that Gallente 'deserve' a medal about as much as Goons 'deserve' one for exploiting the broken LP/Kill system. Especially as (despite their best efforts) they only managed 'system dominance' for one whole day(LOL!) as opposed to PERVS keeping it locked down for TEN MONTHS STRAIGHT.

The tears on this thread are amazing. Gal blobbers and role-playing nerds are faced with the stark fact that the weeks of blobbing and alarm-clock ops were all for nothing

I have fought and waited for years for the chance to get our medal since the caldari fought and won the first war. The caldari fought long and hard and CCP recognized this effort. Its only fair after years of fighting that now that we have won that CCP recognize our effort.

Its not like this happens to often.

it is good that CCP devs finally found way to fix FW on way that gallente can win when others already quit.

Than finaly do us the favour and quit too.

Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal..

Did Gallente hold the systems for 24 hours? Or did gallente lose a system within 24 hours?

Does it not count as lost until downtime, or does it count as lost as soon as its "lost" due to the bunker bust?

Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal.

In all honesty, most of us knew Mid-December that this was going to be the eventual outcome as well.
There was a certain domino effect within Caldari, along with the unsually well Coordinated efforts with the Gallente (+Allies) that really brought us to this point.

What has been far more in the air has been how long we have been able to hold out.
I can honestly say that many of the Caldari pilots did their absolute best, at a significant disadvantage to bitterly hold on to our last few systems.

And I don't say Significant Disadvantage because of Mechanics or anything like that, which I think both sides can agree still are not ideal as they still focus too much on earning ISK (LP) over PvP ... but more that it has been an incredible amount of work, for those of us who remained in Caldari Militia to try to hold together what was left while putting up serious resistance in the attempt to deny the Gallente the complete warzone victory they achieved.

Sure we did not accomplish our goal and that sucks giant hairy loveberries, still this past month has put life back in to Faction Warfare (Gallente-Caldari) that hasn't been there for a very long time.

Most importantly this whole Campaign, has given us the oppurtunity to become stronger and more solidified as a whole.
In my opinion this has all been the kick in the pants that Caldari Militia has been in need of.

Now if CCP can only sort out the Faction Warfare mechanics without all this pesky ISK / LP Focus and actually provide us with some real Sovereignty bonus' to capturing and holding systems with LP (and I mean useful amounts of LP!!) from Kills basically pushing all of these damn Alt Farmers back to Incursions / Null-Sec then we can get back to the job at hand of killing each other over valueable real-est that grows in value the longer you hold it.

This past month honestly has probably been the best test of the new Faction Warfare mechanics, there are many of the changes that Retribution brought that honestly have been nothing but good; and some that still needs some work.

We had all systems for more than 24 hours regardless of which measure you use.

So.... when / where / how / what colour etc etc.

Many people have bust their balls running pve content to grind towards this moment, maybe then a pair of sweaty balls on a little red cross plaque would be appropriate?

.....gives the one "in control" an army of farmers, an army which the cal mil didn't have back in the days).

While i think the gals should get a medal because it was probably really tedious to get all the systems I don't like the fact some people compare it to when the Calmil got all the systems. Back when cal mil got a medal there was no reward at all for plexing except that medal. Meanwhile under the current system there was already a reward involved (all the LP). (and than there was that totally stupid "emergency" patch which f*cked up everything pretty badly and the fact the LP rewards for circling a button gives the one "in control" an army of farmers, an army which the cal mil didn't have back in the days).

You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one.

Amarr got over run at the start because they for what ever reason unknown to me expected CCP to reset the war zone, so they didn't fight to hold or take anything. Caldari on the other hand held War Zone control the majority of the time, since CCP started tooling about with FW and only started losing after CCP did the surprise patch. Up until the surprise patch that left Gals in a war zone control, it was always Caldari dictating the control of the War Zone.

There were struggles here and there but over all it was always Caldari in control until that patch, hence the reason so many Caldari's quit because it simply handed the War zone to Gals whom quite frankly did not deserve it.

You were only winning before the surprise patch because of hundreds of farmer alts as evidenced by the VP numbers of those times. Current VP numbers show fairly even levels of progress in the occupancy war. Where older cal mil corps have left, evoke have replaced them.

Im sorry that you feel that those farmer alts entitled you to a warzone victory.

Why do you whine about a system you didn't participate in anyways?

Plus, that system is long gone dead. So what's the point in whining about it to begin with?

You guys had just as many farmer alts as we did. Yours were just flying the flag of Minmatar Militia. You guys had no VP's because the Minmatars didn't get counted and no one was farming with Gal alts at that time, because you guys were at tier 1 most of the time. You guys were running Minmatar farm alts or Caldari mission running alts. Meanwhile you never had to deal with any Amarr alts coming into your space, like we had to deal with both Minmatar & Gals in ours.

It wasn't til you got handed the war zone via the patch and Caldari largely got pissed and quit, that you started winning the Sov war.

I'm pretty sure just between Crosi and me we had 100-200 farmer kills with our stealth bombers (all Caldari btw) before CCP ****** up the accel gates. Anyone who is claiming that we had just as many farmers as Caldari is either being willfully disingenuous, monumentally stupid, or simply is making claims about things they really don't know anything about. Even a casual glance at a weeks worth of play in those days would tell you which side had the most farmers (hint: it wasn't Gallente).

I'm pretty sure just between Crosi and me we had 100-200 farmer kills with our stealth bombers (all Caldari btw) before CCP ****** up the accel gates. Anyone who is claiming that we had just as many farmers as Caldari is either being willfully disingenuous, monumentally stupid, or simply is making claims about things they really don't know anything about. Even a casual glance at a weeks worth of play in those days would tell you which side had the most farmers (hint: it wasn't Gallente).

[quote=Julius Foederatus]

Yes you are correct there were no Gal or Minmatar farmers anywhere. I mean stabbed & cloaking incursus were just a figment of our imagination. The plexes simply ran the timers down them selves..

I'm pretty sure just between Crosi and me we had 100-200 farmer kills with our stealth bombers (all Caldari btw) before CCP ****** up the accel gates. Anyone who is claiming that we had just as many farmers as Caldari is either being willfully disingenuous, monumentally stupid, or simply is making claims about things they really don't know anything about. Even a casual glance at a weeks worth of play in those days would tell you which side had the most farmers (hint: it wasn't Gallente).

I do not take part in the usual crap fights on this issue and have not done anything except be nice and congratulate the Gallente on their success.

However - on the issue of farmer numbers you are totally full of crap.

The Gallente have just as many farming alts as the Caldari.
Many are in Amarr/Minny space so you might not have seen them but they are there in droves.

Not trying to take your victory away or make it a lesser victory.
But if your gonna talk rubbish at least do it about a different part of eve none of us actually play.

Forget farmers, forget everything else.

Good job Frogs. Short lived victory but still a victory none the less. CCP give them a medal.

See you on the field.

o7

I removed a few inflammatory posts from the thread. Let's all be happy for each other, just this once? Please?

The Farming Alt Armies were with the Minmatar and the Caldari during the post inferno period.

Why?

NPC imbalance.

You could speed-tank any offensive Amarr or Gallente plex using an agile (stabbed or pvp) frig. In Minmatar and Caldari plexes, you were bombarded with missile spam. You actually took damage.

So the farmers went to the factions that didn't have to deal with missile spam in their offensive plexes.

Oh they had control of plenty of alts... ask Bad Messenger and Damar.

The Gallente have just as many farming alts as the Caldari.

"Have" vs. "Had". Back when the plexes were imbalanced, there were definitely more Caldari plexing alts. Now, my guess is that it is even or perhaps higher for Gallente since we have the higher tier. In any case, what we don't see is cross militia plexing in our theater, so the VP numbers are approximately correct - showing each side is plexing about the same.

As i recall, the caldari got their medal when the held the entire warzone for a pro-longed period of time (well over a few days) you guys are already down 9 systems... you held your warzone for less then a single day... doesn't seem very impressive to me.

a week or 2 years it doesnt matter total warzone was achieved.. ccp help pls hidden ur so bitter...

and for the amarrian its not impressive lets see u guys do it u struggle to get passed 23 stystems we took 101 and if farmers win it how come minnies havnt dne it yet dont they have the most?

well reality is ... u had them because they hope for tier 5 after the the CCP involvement .... now when u failing to maintain tier 4 .... i saw many of farmville back in minmatar/amar space. Actually u had whole farmbeast 3 week ago.

Amarr got over run at the start because they for what ever reason unknown to me expected CCP to reset the war zone, so they didn't fight to hold or take anything. Caldari on the other hand held War Zone control the majority of the time, since CCP started tooling about with FW and only started losing after CCP did the surprise patch. Up until the surprise patch that left Gals in a war zone control, it was always Caldari dictating the control of the War Zone.

There were struggles here and there but over all it was always Caldari in control until that patch, hence the reason so many Caldari's quit because it simply handed the War zone to Gals whom quite frankly did not deserve it. We did fight tooth and nail with the first set of changes and we lost many systems in the beginning, but that was soon turned around and Caldari once again took control of the war front despite Gals best efforts.

After that it was just controlled farming.. Gals were never really in control of that and they only made it to tier V one time compared to several 4's & 5 's that Caldari hit. Timing is the only thing that left Gals in control by the famous surprise patch, despite the fact that Gals had Minmatar farmers on their side and much stronger corps.

Much reinventing of history. Amarr got run over at the front because ccp took an activity that never had any consequences (plexing) and suddenly said you will be locked out based on it. It just so happened that Amarr had fewer systems at the time due primarily to the work of one minmatar - sasawong.

At first amarr responded by trying to plex back systems but after a few nights of plexing for hours only to find no more plexes would respawn due to a bug/exploit we realized that wouldn't work. So we begged ccp to fix the bugs and give us some time to plex some systems back bug free. They refused to fix the bugs before locking us out.

So in the critical time leading up to inferno amarr corps were either dropping from amarr (so they would be able to access their stuff) or moving their stuff while the minmatar were plexing. There were some epic fights in kourm and kamela but large parts of the Amarr militia had to spend substantial parts of that key time moving stuff out of the warzone. Given that we were outnumbered even if at full strength the results should not be too surprising.

Why was it critical right before inferno? Well each plex counted for 5xs as much vp before inferno than they did after. This doesn't even address the fact that minmatar could always capture all size plexes in gunless frigates and amarr had to wait a few months after inferno for that favor.

That said there were bad decisions made by amarr as well. People like cynthia Nezmor kept telling amarr to defensive plex even though that just fed the minmatar farm alts etc.

I didn't reinvent history, I simply stated what I saw. I said Amarr choose not to fight and try to push back at the start. This was true and maybe you have your reasons but end result is you guys didn't really fight for Sov at the start and that's what set you back the most.

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not bitter it just shows how much ccp favor caldari cos they gave them one and also the dt spawns they made us work for it.... oh hidden uv only got blob kill mails of me i have solo ones of you ..... keep dreaming

People like cynthia Nezmor kept telling amarr to defensive plex even though that just fed the minmatar farm alts etc.

After flying in that area for a bit now and occasionally with/around/near Cynthia - I believe Cynthia Nezmor works very hard for the Amarr Militia.

Without the dplexing Cynthia does the minmatards would creep further toward many Amarr home systems.

Everyone there should be thankful for the effort Cynthia, DCM and the various types of flying pockets do as without them you would all be locked out of lowsec already.

As i recall, the caldari got their medal when the held the entire warzone for a pro-longed period of time (well over a few days) you guys are already down 9 systems... you held your warzone for less then a single day... doesn't seem very impressive to me.

After flying in that area for a bit now and occasionally with/around/near Cynthia - I believe Cynthia Nezmor works very hard for the Amarr Militia.

Without the dplexing Cynthia does the minmatards would creep further toward many Amarr home systems.

Everyone there should be thankful for the effort Cynthia, DCM and the various types of flying pockets do as without them you would all be locked out of lowsec already.

didnt you know, hidden isint relevant he should be worried bout his terribad alliance holding their sov........
wait...... FA lolololol

Anyone who unironically, seriously makes accusations of CCP pro-Gallente bias are utterly unbelievable.

Caldari held the entire warzone for more than six months when the system had no reward for recapturing systems and was massively tipped in favour of the current occupant of the system. Gallente held the entire warzone for less than a day and then almost immediately lost nine systems and elements of the STPRO are crying foul? Are you serious?

Anyone who unironically, seriously makes accusations of CCP pro-Gallente bias are utterly unbelievable.

Caldari held the entire warzone for more than six months when the system had no reward for recapturing systems and was massively tipped in favour of the current occupant of the system. Gallente held the entire warzone for less than a day and then almost immediately lost nine systems and elements of the STPRO are crying foul? Are you serious?

So you are countering the pro gal ccp bias with the fact CCP allowed (through bad unfixed mechanics) caldari to hold all the sov back when it yielded no reward whatsoever? Surely you can see where your argument went wrong. You know, i'd rather be on that side which was "biased against" when the bias yielded no reward and the one who got favored by a ******** emergency patch which yielded clear tangible benefits.

And with the current mechanics holding 9 systems is almost the same as holding none.

nerdrage spelling is tricky ... right?

well FA is decent bunch of chaps. But I understand that with your attitude it is quite tricky for your mind to accept it. See you soon on the battlefield.

Reasons why Gals were even able to gain the wz control are quite clear and CCP is openly supporting gal efforts through CSM and some of its employees. Regain of systems is more or less result of cooperation and exhaust of Gals + that farming blob (part of it) is back in amar space.

And yes Farmville (ie tier system) IS BAD!

"Have" vs. "Had". Back when the plexes were imbalanced, there were definitely more Caldari plexing alts. Now, my guess is that it is even or perhaps higher for Gallente since we have the higher tier. In any case, what we don't see is cross militia plexing in our theater, so the VP numbers are approximately correct - showing each side is plexing about the same.

Your mouth is clamped tightly on my nutz and i love it.
Snakes Favorite Dish OMNOM!
also FA is terrible in terms of all the sov "power blocs" jussayin.
and yes CCP is helping the gals out i took them our for dinner and drinks on me and then i treated them to some swedish hookers.
on a real note i think its rediculous how caldari are like "huuurrduuurrr ccp is liek healping you guize!!!11!1!" get over it fight back stop plexing back water systems and have some fun.

My only question is: where is ISD Type40 when you need him the most?

My only question is: where is ISD Type40 when you need him the most?

My only question is: where is ISD Type40 when you need him the most?

My theory is that CCP will not give out the medal until gunnyt31 leaves gal mil, the second he does, medal will be awarded and CCP will win troll of the year

read the last sentance
and dont lie you loved the song and if you wanna go for a spin we totally can. but really everyones too busy complaining about a broken game that they still pay to play and actually commit time to, everything is a Bitchfest and there isint enough times where people arent crying about something. i mean common.

I see absolutely no reason why Gallente should not get a medal. At the end they did conquer all of the systems and yes, they worked for it, long enough.

I really won't comment on who plexes more, who has more numbers, who blops more etc as I have no papers in front of me with statistics made by ccp.

Good job Gallente Federation pilots o7

your becoming the next alucard comontryharder

And your mouth is clamped tightly on my nuts and I love it.

Where iz mah medal??????

i am a nobody, im just a scrub alt.

why because i post with my main and dont hide behind my plexing alt?

we know, keep slobbing my knob though i like it.

Its funny how I once had a convo with you where you assumed I should know you, or that your excorp, Doggysquad or whatever is relevant. So who are you again?

ask these guys here =] **** even the guys in test know me -_^ dont hate scrubulet.

4 kills in january, 0 in december, 3 in november...even some nullbears know you? For what? Losing a rocket BB, then ragequtting for the month and only playing ForumWarrior Online?

lol you had to check the kb hahahah, my kb is still almost better than your entire corp lolololololol.

Yes, just TODAY I got more kills than you in 3 months. And if you do not improve, scrubbie, I will get more kills in 24 hours than you in 365 days. How does it make you feel, scrubulet?

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Yes, just TODAY I got more kills than you in 3 months. And if you do not improve, scrubbie, I will get more kills in 24 hours than you in 365 days. How does it make you feel, scrubulet?

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I would support this medal. It should be public and NEVER dissappear. It should only appear if you did plexing for a certain amount of time. Preferably 24+ hours, maybe more. This way people can block you from joining their good PVP corps. Anyone ******** enough to have cared about flipping systems needs a shot to the back of the head in game.

I would support this medal. It should be public and NEVER dissappear. It should only appear if you did plexing for a certain amount of time. Preferably 24+ hours, maybe more. This way people can block you from joining their good PVP corps. Anyone ******** enough to have cared about flipping systems needs a shot to the back of the head in game.

Why so bitter?