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Praxis Ginimic
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:47:00 -
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The same way you counter everything in eve, intel. Know your enemy, set a trap, smack talk on local. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1208
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Posted - 2013.04.16 15:34:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:The same way you counter everything in eve.
That's right you undock a Bhaalgorn.
Pretty much the only T3 that doesn't hate bonused neuts and long webs is a Loki and Lokis aren't exceptionally difficult to deal with anyway, Armor fits don't tank that much, the DPS is mediocre and they aren't fast. Shield lokis are a joke too.
And if the problem can't be solved with a Bhaalgorn then it can probably be solved with a Vindicator. |
Stonkeep
Osmanli Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.04.19 18:42:00 -
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nano Mach or blaster Vindi.
Of course there is no such thing as 1v1. |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
949
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Posted - 2013.04.20 00:43:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:The same way you counter everything in eve, intel. Know your enemy, set a trap, smack talk on local.
Won't he have scouts ? |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
99
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Posted - 2013.04.20 23:45:00 -
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The Command Ship of the T3's race
Oderint Dum Metuant |
Garresh
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2013.04.21 01:12:00 -
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A couple rifters with tracking disruptors?
This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.04.21 07:46:00 -
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Verge of Collapse is the most notable alliance roaming around in T3s.
How to kill them, yes you need to blob them.
Having said that, yup they come only with 30, but of those 30, 10 are guardians and with the buffer and resists their setups have, yup you need a large fleet to even have a chance of breaking through their reps.
(Or use domis with uber tracking gardes, then you don't have to bring 100 men counter but just a 40-50 men.) |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
950
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Posted - 2013.04.21 08:00:00 -
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Sjugar wrote:Verge of Collapse is the most notable alliance roaming around in T3s.
How to kill them, yes you need to blob them.
Having said that, yup they come only with 30, but of those 30, 10 are guardians and with the buffer and resists their setups have, yup you need a large fleet to even have a chance of breaking through their reps.
(Or use domis with uber tracking gardes, then you don't have to bring 100 men counter but just a 40-50 men.)
Can't they just warp off when they see how outnumbered they are in local?
Is there a more inconspicuous setup for T3 killing? |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.04.21 23:09:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Can't they just warp off when they see how outnumbered they are in local? Is there a more inconspicuous setup for T3 killing?
Well, it's verge of collapse, 95% people in their right mind wouldn't engage them with even numbers because they know they're outmatched.
Basically they always have to fight outnumbered to even get fights.
Also not all gangs are them same, and numbers don't say everything. Some 100 men fleets will be slaughtered by them without a single loss while an organised 50 men gang in the right ships can really give them a run for there money.
Just make sure you have good logi and also important good tackle numbers before engaging them.
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CaptainFalcon07
Caucasian Culture Club
Transmission Lost
126
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Posted - 2013.04.26 23:26:00 -
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This thread smells like a whine that its unfair that an expensive ship will typically win against a cheaper ship in a 1 vs 1 fight.
The pilot invested money into his t3, you expect to simply be able to win with a cheap battlecruiser in a 1 vs 1 of equal skill?
Get real. |
Joshua Lorne
The Night Crew
The Night Crew Alliance
18
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:09:00 -
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If you want to 1v1 against T3's. Grow a sack and fly one yourself.
Otherwise, what CaptainFalcon said. |
Craggus
BlueWaffe
94
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Posted - 2013.04.29 16:58:00 -
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Knowing how to effectively use EWAR is generally the key to these fights. Jams, neuts, sensor damps, etc. It's one reason I like w-space. Sure, blobs are still there, but general everyday fights, ewar is usually what will win a fight numbers being equal. |
Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
373
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:24:00 -
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The tackle rifter. 
Easy, tackle the tengu, and watch as 100 drakes gloriously alpha his 2 billion ISK ship.
Yarr |
Lloyd Roses
Risk-Averse
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
57
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Posted - 2013.04.30 08:45:00 -
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I believe a good dominix would pretty much kill any solo t3, with all that dronedamage and midslots and neuts and armortank.
Same for a tempest I'd guess.
Astarte I could imagine would also be a good approach to solo one of those if you manage to catch it, with it having sufficient tank for a lone t3 and high dps still left. If the t3 you're going for uses it's racial 'ewar'-sub, it will have crappy enough sensor strength to pretty much die to a single set of ec-300s.
If you are up against a group of them, can warp in one or two celestis to either damp their tackle, ewar or their logi. Or just bring equally valuable ships (which would be something from a pimpfitted navy-BS to a t2-fitted machariel) |
Karig'Ano Keikira
State War Academy
Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:34:00 -
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I would think three times before engaging typical pvp domi with my tengu, same goes for pirate faction battleships; they however lack ability to actually catch t3s unless they decided to get into your range
As for using more then one ship, well... tackle it with something then neut it and kill should work quite reliably - most t3s hate neuts, hate webs and hate painters |
StarFleetCommander
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
157
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:42:00 -
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We dont use Tech 3's anymore
http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=35313
Our new doctrine |
Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
24
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Posted - 2013.06.11 20:53:00 -
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Just bring ships equal to or greater in ISK value to them for a guaranteed kill. If your enemy has 500 million ISK on the field, why would you cheap out and not bring 500 million isk worth of ships to fight him? |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
341
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:09:00 -
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There's not enough informations to answer the question.
Or do you actually want something able to solo catch and kill any possible T3 fit ?
One T3 won't do everything. All T3 have some limits, as have all ships, so there will always be a T3 fit to counter your counter, hence your question logicaly don't have any answer, but this is because it ask nothing in the first place. You are in fact asking "what ship counter another ship ?" That doesn't make any sense. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland
Tribal Band
319
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Posted - 2013.06.14 15:32:00 -
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When the only counter to T3s atm is more T3s.
The last time this situation occurred, supers and titans got nerfed into the ground.
Personally, I think ships with 2x BS tank and signature radius of 120-140m is ridiculously OP. Modular ships should not have the sigRad of non-modular ships of the same size. They should be bigger. Not a lot bigger. Maybe 15%. But it should reflect the modular effect.
Also, being able to fit 3x LSEIIs or 1600mm T2 plates on a cruiser-sized ship (or 2x and a 100MN AB) is ********. Nerf the engineering subs that give so much grid.
And those resists... CCP just went through and nerfed the resists on the non-T3 ships with resist bonuses. Yet T3s still have absurd resists. 95% armor EM resist on a Loki with resist subsystem, EANM, and a DCII? Really?
Not butt-hurt. I don't blame the people for flying them. But when a single class of ships is so ridiculously powerful that all of nulsec is reshipping into them, something is broken.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1390
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Posted - 2013.06.14 15:44:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Legions , Tengus , Loki...
All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .
With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???
In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??
Why would anyone be scared of t3s. T3s are like 90% of what we fight in wormholes (the other 10% being carriers and dreads)
they're lovely expensive targets to kill.
I'd be far more disheartened if someone reported a fleet of drakes or some boring crap |
WInter Borne
Cold Station 12
Surely You're Joking
68
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Posted - 2013.06.14 16:35:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Well after reading the above posts.
There really isn't any counter to it is there?
E-War you say?
If you're 1v1 ing a t3 , that means your med slots are out and chances are they'll out run you ,
If you want to be practical with E-war that means you'll need backup, falling back again to the BLOB tactics .
Pick arbitrators you say?
Are you sure you're not just fighting a poorly skilled pilot in a poorly fi
Explain why you should win in a 1v1 against a T3? |
WInter Borne
Cold Station 12
Surely You're Joking
68
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Posted - 2013.06.14 16:45:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Akulun Orkulus wrote:It may not be preferred but in my opinion blobbing may be one of the most effective ways to kill a t3. For example, the other day some of my corp buddies and I were messing around in lowsec and wouldn't you know a solo Proteus comes in on us at a gate and starts firing all cylinders. Now keep in mind that this was after a fairly gnarly fight with a Cynabal and a Harbinger that knocked out 3 of our 6 guys, and all that was left of us was a damaged Cormorant, a Jaguar, and an Enyo(me). Needless to say the Corm fell pretty quick but the Jag and I were able to bring the Proteus down to 25% armor fairly quick before he decided it was a good idea to wait out the minute and jump through the gate. So even small groups (2-3 ships) can bring down a t3 if given enough time. ugh ... what about strategy ? I mean... an enyo and a jag is pretty much a pocket cruiser .. they are materials for fighting even battlecruisers . Is there a 101 Guide to Fighting somewher?
Why dont you go into wspace with some friends and try out strategies yourselves? |
Sycotic Deninard
Basgerin Pirate
SCUM.
35
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:06:00 -
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As a Tengu pvp pilot, there are a few ways to counter T3's and it usually requires a small/med size gang designed to kill it. The biggest factor is the pilots skills/fit and experience and that can't be quickly determined on the spot. I will say that fighting another Tengu that is setup like mine is almost pointless and often becomes a very long drawn out fight.
I have noticed that since the heavy missile nerf, people are less scared of the Tengu of Doom and if given a choice of T3 targets, most will go after the Tengu first and the Prot last and usually try to avoid the Loki. A 100mn Ham Tengu in the right hands is very lethal. It can easily do over 600 DPS omni damage (more if using Kinetic) at 36km non-overheated. Sadly to acheive this, requires a heavy investment in skills and ISK to fit it the way I have. Implants are a must and having a Loki booster helps tremendously. Its a big investment that has so far paid out huge divedends for me. Worth every ISK I poured into it. |
Samuel Wess
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.06.19 11:19:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:When the only counter to T3s atm is more T3s.
Not butt-hurt. I don't blame the people for flying them. But when a single class of ships is so ridiculously powerful that all of nulsec is reshipping into them, something is broken.
There is no other ship class that a 100mn Tengu is weak against. In eve every ship has a dedicated role, and its good at something,
but there is a counter to it. There is no ship i could pick to counter it, the only solutions are to use the same class/fit or bring more people.
And yes in my nullsec area everybody has one. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
69
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Posted - 2013.06.19 13:13:00 -
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Ewar - if he runs you won.
And he cant run if you fit with mwd for speed and scram / web or combination of those.
There are heaps of ways to die badly in T3 but but obviously while you could kill one in a lesser ship theres not going to be a 100% surefire way which you seem to be seeking when there are tons of variables and your trying to kill a t3 worth many times more than the ship youre using.
If there was such a recipe T3s would be useless |
Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
26
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Posted - 2013.06.19 14:14:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:When the only counter to T3s atm is more T3s.
Not true. I was in a fleet last month that killed 2 T3s worth 1.1 billion isk, and our entire fleet cost less than 80 million isk .
An insta-lock Loki, a HAM tengu, and a Myrmidon from FCON were camping the a high-sec gate in low-sec. We jumped 3 T1 fitted Atrons through the gate into them and tackled the Loki, then 15 seconds later jumped an additional 30 frigates, mostly T1-fitted Atrons through the gate once they were aggressed.
At an average cost of less than 2 million ISK per ship on our side, we committed less than the cost of a single Battlecruiser, but countered not just 1 but two T3 cruisers. We only lost 3 ships ourselves, worth less than 5 million combined.
http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=18092775
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
418
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:41:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Legions , Tengus , Loki...
All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .
With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???
In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??
For pvp.
No matter what the question is -
The answer is always bring more ecm ships.
Some will say - - 'ur crap cause u need ecm' - 'ecm sooo is unfair' - 'it sucks' - 'its lame' - 'Oh a griffin -'you suck and im gonna talk like eve is normally a fair game and YOU broke it's fairness by using ecm' etc etc.
People will always start saying that kind of stuff to you after you start using ecm lots.
I have found the best way to avoid it is to fit a sebo and try to pod them before they can type into local. 
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
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