Blob them. That's how you win in EVE.

Legions , Tengus , Loki...

All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .

With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???

In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??

Neuts are pretty effective, so maybe something like this for anything that isnt a Tengu;

[Curse, Curse Passive TD + Point]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
True Sansha Medium Nosferatu
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Hammerhead II x5

What t3 spottings really sound like on intel channels is

"OMG! EXPENZIV KILLMAILZ MUSTWHORE!"

That reckons the question , even Goliath has a weakness, what are their's?

in other words ... there are no effective counters

Well, BricKs are pretty professional on intel lol.

" xxx Spotted in XXX system
Nullified cloaky Tengu
warped off towards xx cluster .
In pursuit .
Orders? "

Blob them. That's how you win in EVE.

Ewar. Lots of Ewar.

Energy neutralizers will ruin Proteuses and Legions.
Sensor dampeners will infuriate Tengus.
Tracking Disruptors will wreak havoc on Proteuses, Lokis, and some Legion builds.

T3 nerf is coming. Just wait a while

I really don't see the problem as risk vs reward goes.

Look on this forum, you will find people complaining that it's hard to find 1v1s without the other party bringing overwhelming support THEN you also find people complaining that a solo ship has no effective solo counter.

In short, HTFU.

I've flown cloaky T3s in lowsec tons of times, they give me the option of evading a blob, limited engagement (in the case of a loki with boosted web range) or just going balls deep and wiping out whole gangs (Protus lol http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10491341).

I take on the risk of fighting outnumbered, I take on the risk of losing SP if I die. Is it too much to ask that your response gang includes a Guardian or Curse to shut me down before you come demanding CCP do something to stop me?

EDIT: the forum is breaking KB links for some reason, copy/paste it and it works.

Legions , Tengus , Loki...

All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .

With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???

In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??

Well in my experience I never had a problem with T3s because once you see that in Intel everyone anyone and there brother fleets up to get a kill mail. End result its blob attack for the win.

Your own T3s.
Battleship to kill close range T3.
Rapiers to kill funny Tengus.
Generally: thinking for yourself and not just bringing in ten times more pilots and hoping for the best.

T3 speed tanking BS damage
Long range scrammers and disruptors kites the raiper.
If I think only for myself and not follow FC ,I will get popped faster than you can say Nostradamus

considering tengus are about as common as T3 comes , and people are saying how other T3s are crap compared to it .
How do you kill a cruiser than can speed tank 2000+dps while dishing 600-700 omni dps ?

The counters.

Cloaky nullified t3 - A blob sitting on the other side of the gate its jumping through sitting around 15km off the gate so the ship cant cloak

Combat 100mn t3 - Webs, once you pin down one of these ships they arent going to last long atall.

Brawling fit t3 - Neuts (these tend to be either legions or proteus's) shut off their guns so you can kill them in due course

/Princess

A 600,000 ehp Proteus.. would take 10 destroyers, doing 1000 dps, a minute to kill.

Oh yea, need to bring 2 to 3 ECM boats, and 2 to 3 Insta Lock Inties to web the thing, and pod the pod.

... thats if he is alone, and for some odd reason can't kill the Destroyers.

Legions , Tengus , Loki...

All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .

With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???

In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??

Cloaky nullified : Blobbing
100mn : Super T2 gang
Brawling : Super neuts


2 out of 3 includes blobbing and chiddy chiddy gang banging ...
Since when pvp devolved into such a state?

Why is there always threads about how impossibruu t3s are to kill?

You know when you take away bonuses and implants, an armour loki becomes an 80k ehp bc with slightly smaller sig and a little faster than a cane.

Maybe if your members trained recons, you'd be fine. Seriously, loki or legion might need two talos and a rapier, job done in most cases. Go two canes if your worried about needing neuts.

Tengu, rapier+arty nados for active tank or couple of canes/harbingers for everything else.

The key here is that you need a recon or another t3.

Alternatively, just bring a machariel, there's not really a t3 that does well against a properly fit mach with snakes and a good pilot. A solo proteus/loki/laser legion can be killed by a curse or an arbitrator. If it's 100mn probably not the arby, but definitely the curse.


TLDR stop being ****.

Why is there always threads about how impossibruu t3s are to kill?

You know when you take away bonuses and implants, an armour loki becomes an 80k ehp bc with slightly smaller sig and a little faster than a cane.

Maybe if your members trained recons, you'd be fine. Seriously, loki or legion might need two talos and a rapier, job done in most cases. Go two canes if your worried about needing neuts.

Tengu, rapier+arty nados for active tank or couple of canes/harbingers for everything else.

The key here is that you need a recon or another t3.

Alternatively, just bring a machariel, there's not really a t3 that does well against a properly fit mach with snakes and a good pilot. A solo proteus/loki/laser legion can be killed by a curse or an arbitrator. If it's 100mn probably not the arby, but definitely the curse.


TLDR stop being ****.

rofl, he said he didn't want to outnumber the thing. Yet you still tell him the way to counter a T3 is to outnumber it.




TDLR stop being bad.

It may not be preferred but in my opinion blobbing may be one of the most effective ways to kill a t3. For example, the other day some of my corp buddies and I were messing around in lowsec and wouldn't you know a solo Proteus comes in on us at a gate and starts firing all cylinders. Now keep in mind that this was after a fairly gnarly fight with a Cynabal and a Harbinger that knocked out 3 of our 6 guys, and all that was left of us was a damaged Cormorant, a Jaguar, and an Enyo(me). Needless to say the Corm fell pretty quick but the Jag and I were able to bring the Proteus down to 25% armor fairly quick before he decided it was a good idea to wait out the minute and jump through the gate. So even small groups (2-3 ships) can bring down a t3 if given enough time.

to kill t3 you have to shoot them so long that they explode.

Just what can we use to defeat Spock??

The same way you counter everything in eve.

The same way you counter everything in eve, intel. Know your enemy, set a trap, smack talk on local.

Verge of Collapse is the most notable alliance roaming around in T3s.

How to kill them, yes you need to blob them.

Having said that, yup they come only with 30, but of those 30, 10 are guardians and with the buffer and resists their setups have, yup you need a large fleet to even have a chance of breaking through their reps.

(Or use domis with uber tracking gardes, then you don't have to bring 100 men counter but just a 40-50 men.)

Can't they just warp off when they see how outnumbered they are in local?
Is there a more inconspicuous setup for T3 killing?

Legions , Tengus , Loki...

All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .

With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???

In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??

Well after reading the above posts.
There really isn't any counter to it is there?

E-War you say?
If you're 1v1 ing a t3 , that means your med slots are out and chances are they'll out run you ,
If you want to be practical with E-war that means you'll need backup, falling back again to the BLOB tactics .

Pick arbitrators you say?
Are you sure you're not just fighting a poorly skilled pilot in a poorly fi

ugh ...
what about strategy ?
I mean... an enyo and a jag is pretty much a pocket cruiser .. they are materials for fighting even battlecruisers .
Is there a 101 Guide to Fighting somewher?

When the only counter to T3s atm is more T3s.
Not butt-hurt. I don't blame the people for flying them. But when a single class of ships is so ridiculously powerful that all of nulsec is reshipping into them, something is broken.

When the only counter to T3s atm is more T3s.

Legions , Tengus , Loki...

All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .

With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???

In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??