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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
809
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Posted - 2013.01.12 14:57:00 -
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A dread when in siege mode cannot be affected by e-war or assistance mods...
you cannot jam/scram/rsd/ecm or use ET/rr/eccm/rsb...
So why can you use a nuet on them?
either get rid of nuets being able to use against dreads or just get rid of e-war imunity and allow all forms of e-war/ assistance mods...
If indeed nuets are not (e-war) even though they are the secondary e-war for ammar...
then why dont we have capital Cap Injectors that use something like (4000's) to keep a dread from being nueted out?
Plus i would not mind getting a few extra utility high slots and getting capital nuets and such...
IMO we need more capital mods anyways...
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
590
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:19:00 -
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"DC only goes in low slots"
WHY CAN'T I FIT IT IN A MEDIUM SLOT, A SLOT IS A SLOT RIGHT????? I MEAN, COME ON!!!
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
374
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:33:00 -
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What's a "nuet"? |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
809
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:53:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:What's a "nuet"?
please see this
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
809
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:53:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:"DC only goes in low slots"
WHY CAN'T I FIT IT IN A MEDIUM SLOT, A SLOT IS A SLOT RIGHT????? I MEAN, COME ON!!!
cuss its a low slot... bad troll 1/10
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
591
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Posted - 2013.01.12 16:17:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:"DC only goes in low slots"
WHY CAN'T I FIT IT IN A MEDIUM SLOT, A SLOT IS A SLOT RIGHT????? I MEAN, COME ON!!!
cuss its a low slot... bad troll 1/10
Exactly, and CCP decided that Neuts aren't classed as Ewar and thus they affect caps in siege, because CCP says so.
Also because it keeps them from jumping out etc.
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
809
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Posted - 2013.01.12 16:23:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:"DC only goes in low slots"
WHY CAN'T I FIT IT IN A MEDIUM SLOT, A SLOT IS A SLOT RIGHT????? I MEAN, COME ON!!!
cuss its a low slot... bad troll 1/10 Exactly, and CCP decided that Neuts aren't classed as Ewar and thus they affect caps in siege, because CCP says so. Also because it keeps them from jumping out etc.
i am cool with that (but its odd because they are psuedo e-war as its the secondary ewar for ammar like gal is long range scrams minnie is long range webbers caldari is nothing because ecm is op and ammar is nuets) but we used to have drones that could defend against pesky smaller ships with neuts... this is no longer the case...
even an extra utility slot so i can fit a nos or nuet or something...
i would love to see more cap mods like a capital cap injector... to allow options for fittings...
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
591
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Posted - 2013.01.12 16:25:00 -
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No, a capital sized cap booster would create problems than you realise as it effectively means caps can jump around MUCH faster. We need LESS projected power from capitals, not more.
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Durrr
In Exile.
6
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Posted - 2013.01.12 16:28:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:No, a capital sized cap booster would create more problems than you realise as it effectively means caps can jump around MUCH faster. We need LESS projected power from capitals, not more.
Ah, the power of unintended consequences. |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
810
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Posted - 2013.01.12 16:28:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:No, a capital sized cap booster would create more problems than you realise as it effectively means caps can jump around MUCH faster. We need LESS projected power from capitals, not more.
you could give it heavy fitting restictions and make it a dread only mod plus make it like an asb that it takes a long time to reload or something to provide balance...
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Mizhir
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
2544
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Posted - 2013.01.12 16:46:00 -
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But how are RNK supposed to fight if they cant neut the dreads?
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
810
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Posted - 2013.01.12 16:49:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:But how are RNK supposed to fight if they cant neut the dreads?
adapt?
i still would like to see capital neuts and nos plus capital cap injector...
the cap nuet/nos would have a sig radius restriction that would make it so they dont work on sub caps...
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Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
79
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Posted - 2013.01.12 17:36:00 -
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Considering normal cap boosters work after a fashion.. we use em all the time.
BUT if you introduce capital size you only make the two best dreads even better compared to their counterparts (since moros and rev have such cap hungry guns). And as said, we have way to much in the way of capitals moving across huge distances in an instant.
So bad idea!
Edit: also if you do it for dreads, what stops carriers from using them too? Now we have even MORE capitals zooming around all over, and with triage carriers now able to last even longer? Dear Goddess no!!!!!!! |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
374
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Posted - 2013.01.12 17:43:00 -
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I know what energy neutralizers are. That doesn't have anything to do with "nuet". |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
810
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Posted - 2013.01.12 17:49:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:I know what energy neutralizers are. That doesn't have anything to do with "nuet".
ah you are talking about a spelling error please see my sig
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
810
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Posted - 2013.01.12 17:51:00 -
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Lady Naween wrote:Considering normal cap boosters work after a fashion.. we use em all the time.
BUT if you introduce capital size you only make the two best dreads even better compared to their counterparts (since moros and rev have such cap hungry guns). And as said, we have way to much in the way of capitals moving across huge distances in an instant.
So bad idea!
Edit: also if you do it for dreads, what stops carriers from using them too? Now we have even MORE capitals zooming around all over, and with triage carriers now able to last even longer? Dear Goddess no!!!!!!!
fozzie did say he was going to rebalance dreads... so i would assume that the minni one and caldari are in for a nice boost.
as for what will make this a dread only mod? easy you do what they always do make a gigantic CPU requirement and just make a role bonus for cpu reduction on the mod by 99%...
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Veronica Kerrigan
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
66
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Posted - 2013.01.12 21:59:00 -
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In theory, if cap neutralization does not count as Ewar, should energy transfer not count as remote assistance? However rather than the absurd efficiency of a normal energy transfer, have a capital energy transfer operate equivalently to a large when the dread is in siege. |
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
239
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Posted - 2013.01.12 22:10:00 -
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Heh.
If your mind is blown by the fact that neuts arent classified as "ewar" and can affect sieged dreads, triaged carriers and supercapitals, wait until you learn that the target spectrum breaker can break the lock of all of these.
Oh.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
1603
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Posted - 2013.01.12 22:25:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:"DC only goes in low slots"
WHY CAN'T I FIT IT IN A MEDIUM SLOT, A SLOT IS A SLOT RIGHT????? I MEAN, COME ON!!!
"hey guys, is there a reason why neuts work but other EWAR not because this sucks?"
"lol roflcopter, gb2wow you fckn clown, I R teh poon"
Ok.
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
811
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Posted - 2013.01.12 22:53:00 -
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Veronica Kerrigan wrote:In theory, if cap neutralization does not count as Ewar, should energy transfer not count as remote assistance? However rather than the absurd efficiency of a normal energy transfer, have a capital energy transfer operate equivalently to a large when the dread is in siege.
i would support this
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
811
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Posted - 2013.01.12 22:55:00 -
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Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:Heh.
If your mind is blown by the fact that neuts arent classified as "ewar" and can affect sieged dreads, triaged carriers and supercapitals, wait until you learn that the target spectrum breaker can break the lock of all of these.
Oh.
wow that did blow my mind!
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
601
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Posted - 2013.01.12 23:17:00 -
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Roime wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:"DC only goes in low slots"
WHY CAN'T I FIT IT IN A MEDIUM SLOT, A SLOT IS A SLOT RIGHT????? I MEAN, COME ON!!!
"hey guys, is there a reason why neuts work but other EWAR not because this sucks?" "lol roflcopter, gb2wow you fckn clown, I R teh poon" Ok.
Someone's butthurt.
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Wacktopia
Noir.
Black Legion.
410
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Posted - 2013.01.12 23:23:00 -
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Neuts != EWAR
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
2628
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Posted - 2013.01.13 00:53:00 -
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I don't seem to remember whether you can remote energy transfer someone that's sieged or triaged. It feels like neutralization and energy transfer should follow the same rules....
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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
540
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Posted - 2013.01.13 05:22:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I don't seem to remember whether you can remote energy transfer someone that's sieged or triaged. It feels like neutralization and energy transfer should follow the same rules....
-Liang
You can't. Would be quite hard to suck a dread dry if his 40+ carrier buddies could just cap him up. As a dread pilot though, I'd be quite happy if it was allowed :) |
Kirkwood Ross
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
30
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Posted - 2013.01.13 05:53:00 -
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Instead of fitting Cap Recharger IIs in your mids you should replace them with Large Cap Battery IIs. Gives some protection against neuting until you exit siege then can get cap from your fleetmates. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
110
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Posted - 2013.01.13 08:08:00 -
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Protection against Neuts is what your support fleet is there for.
While a single Falcon might (if siege didn't provide EWar protection) be able to seriously disrupt a small siege with hit and fade tactics, a Curse would have to remain on the field for a long time to do any significant damage and is vulnerable to engagement by your support during that time.
If you've lost the support battle then it seems perfectly reasonable to me that the hostile support is able to mob your capitals.
The Target Spectrum Breaker, particularly with the low max targets and slow lock of dreads does seem like an oversight (which perhaps needs to be bug reported) however. |
mxzf
Blackened Skies
2132
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Posted - 2013.01.13 08:50:00 -
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When it comes down to it, it is a balance measure. It allows a smaller, but better organized force to take down capital ships if they work together properly.
In the end, capital ships aren't designed to work on their own. They're designed to have a support fleet. And if your support fleet can't kill/counterneut the enemy, then they've lost the fight. The real question becomes why did the support fleet fail (or why did their support fleet succeed). |
Bubanni
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
627
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Posted - 2013.01.13 10:15:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:No, a capital sized cap booster would create more problems than you realise as it effectively means caps can jump around MUCH faster. We need LESS projected power from capitals, not more.
you mean like capitals have already?... two options making you able to jump around as fast as you can get cynos... jumping into a station and docking for cap... or fit a ton of cap recharging modules... the idea of larger cap booster wont change that, specially if you make the charges expensive... people would prefere the older option then
However the cap booster would allow more capitals to remain functional for longer... is this something we really need?
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
1604
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Posted - 2013.01.13 10:25:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Roime wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:"DC only goes in low slots"
WHY CAN'T I FIT IT IN A MEDIUM SLOT, A SLOT IS A SLOT RIGHT????? I MEAN, COME ON!!!
"hey guys, is there a reason why neuts work but other EWAR not because this sucks?" "lol roflcopter, gb2wow you fckn clown, I R teh poon" Ok. Someone's butthurt.
:D
Someone is terribly inconsistent even when badposting 
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