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Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.06.23 11:19:00 - [1] Ok, so we have 3 Blasters 3 Rails 3 Beams 3 Autocannons yet only 2 pulses and 2 arties. So maybe its time for the 3rd for these weapons, so here are my suggestions Tachyon Pulse Laser I Damage Modifier 4.25 x Rate of fire 9.0 s Optimal Range 32 000 m Accuracy falloff 10 000 m Activation Cost 70 Energy Tracking 0.018 rad/sec PG: 3500 CPU: 60 1325mm Howitzer Artilery I Damage Modifier 5 x Rate of fire 21 s Optimal Range 36 000 m Accuracy falloff 35 000 m Activation Cost 3 Energy Tracking 0.01 rad/sec PG: 3000 CPU: 43 ---------------
Vee Bot	Posted - 2005.06.23 11:21:00 - [2] sounds good, wait do we need another bigger pulse laser /o\ Boooooo! ------------------ (_8(\|) BEWARE. EBIL HOMER. IF SPOTTED CALL THIS NUMBER 0-800-I-C-HOMER
Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.06.23 11:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Vee Bot sounds good, wait do we need another bigger pulse laser /o\ Boooooo! Look at its fitting req tho :p ---------------
Farjung	Posted - 2005.06.23 11:28:00 - [4] Mm, I considered the 1400mm roughly equivalent to the 425mm rail, w/ the 1200mm roughly equivalent to the 350mm rail, meaning the equivalent to the dual 250mm rail is missing. But honestly, do we really need that? I guess a dual 720mm might find a home on the phoon or something, meh. Someone really needs to keep me away from the Taranis
Kunming	Posted - 2005.06.23 11:33:00 - [5] Not only the large turrets are missing; we have 2 small arties and 2 small beam lasers only. Intercepting since BETA
Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.06.23 11:34:00 - [6] i'd rather compare the 1200 to the dual heavy beam laser and the 1400 a tachyon and thus a mega beam (1325) is needed, well at least imo :p (as 1200's are rarely used because they lack the ooomph the 1400's have) ---------------
Kaalise	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Kunming Not only the large turrets are missing; we have 2 small arties and 2 small beam lasers only. There's also a Medium Pulse missing. .+ (_) Fetch the holy hand grenade
Vee Bot	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:10:00 - [8] Well as mimn are behind on dps id say they need a 1800mm artie to compare with the tach and the 425. ------------------ (_8(\|) BEWARE. EBIL HOMER. IF SPOTTED CALL THIS NUMBER 0-800-I-C-HOMER
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:15:00 - [9] There are more problems with lasers. There is no tachyon equal for frigates or cruisers. Instead we get gatling pulse and quad light beam (which isn't even a beam ffs!). I'm not sure we need tach pulses for BS tbh. I was always hoping we'd get them for dreadnaughts ________________________________________________________
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Amthrianius i'd rather compare the 1200 to the dual heavy beam laser and the 1400 a tachyon and thus a mega beam (1325) is needed, well at least imo :p (as 1200's are rarely used because they lack the ooomph the 1400's have) afaik its supposedly 1400=megabeam=425, and tachs are just an extra uber gun for amarr with extra uber fitting reqs. And its supposedly dual 250=dual heavy beam=1200, and 350s are a special midrange for gallante. But I think personally they should boost the 1200 a bit damage wise (completely outclassed by 1400s and uses almost as much grid) and add a dual 720 arty and make that in line with the dual 250 and dual heavy beam. It would have decent range and small fitting reqs but crap damage. [04:02:36] DrunkenOne > nelson 1v1? [04:02:42] Nelson Vandermark > no atuk cheat JaegerBomb Part 1
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:21:00 - [11] Edited by: Meridius on 23/06/2005 15:25:06 Originally by: Vee Bot Well as mimn are behind on dps id say they need a 1800mm artie to compare with the tach and the 425. DrunkenOne [ATUK] perfectly strikes you wrecking for for 3829.3 damage No pls ________________________________________________________
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Meridius Edited by: Meridius on 23/06/2005 15:25:06 Originally by: Vee Bot Well as mimn are behind on dps id say they need a 1800mm artie to compare with the tach and the 425. DrunkenOne [ATUK] perfectly strikes you wrecking for for 3829.3 damage No pls Minny dont need a better gun than the 1400. Like I said, they need a gun below the 1200 to fit that is comparable to dual heavy beams and dual 250s in damage and fitting. [04:02:36] DrunkenOne > nelson 1v1? [04:02:42] Nelson Vandermark > no atuk cheat JaegerBomb Part 1
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:27:00 - [13] Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Amthrianius i'd rather compare the 1200 to the dual heavy beam laser and the 1400 a tachyon and thus a mega beam (1325) is needed, well at least imo :p (as 1200's are rarely used because they lack the ooomph the 1400's have) afaik its supposedly 1400=megabeam=425, and tachs are just an extra uber gun for amarr with extra uber fitting reqs. And its supposedly dual 250=dual heavy beam=1200, and 350s are a special midrange for gallante. But I think personally they should boost the 1200 a bit damage wise (completely outclassed by 1400s and uses almost as much grid) and add a dual 720 arty and make that in line with the dual 250 and dual heavy beam. It would have decent range and small fitting reqs but crap damage. If tachs are so uber, why do they do less dps then 1400's and 425's ________________________________________________________
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:30:00 - [14] Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 15:34:56 Originally by: Meridius If tachs are so uber, why do they do less dps then 1400's and 425's tach IIs=.408 1400 IIs=.292 425 IIs=.345 megabeam IIs=.400 w/ BS 5 tempest + 1400 II= .45625 Geddon + tach II= .51 Mega + 425 II= .43125 Geddon + megabeam IIs= .5 And no I'm not gonna calc damage mods cause I dont know how to do that . [04:02:36] DrunkenOne > nelson 1v1? [04:02:42] Nelson Vandermark > no atuk cheat JaegerBomb Part 1
Vee Bot	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Meridius Edited by: Meridius on 23/06/2005 15:25:06 Originally by: Vee Bot Well as mimn are behind on dps id say they need a 1800mm artie to compare with the tach and the 425. DrunkenOne [ATUK] perfectly strikes you wrecking for for 3829.3 damage No pls holy mother of God! That must be faction stuff, cos i got tech II and fine gunnery but thats just silly! Thats the sorta hit i would expect from the 1800mm, i shudder to think what a 1800mm would do with Drunks setup ------------------ (_8(\|) BEWARE. EBIL HOMER. IF SPOTTED CALL THIS NUMBER 0-800-I-C-HOMER
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:36:00 - [16] Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 15:36:37 Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 15:36:08 Originally by: Vee Bot Originally by: Meridius DrunkenOne [ATUK] perfectly strikes you wrecking for for 3829.3 damage No pls holy mother of God! That must be faction stuff, cos i got tech II and fine gunnery but thats just silly! Thats the sorta hit i would expect from the 1800mm, i shudder to think what a 1800mm would do with Drunks setup Thats a fake hit, meridius is just chicken little, always thinks the sky is falling. I can't even use t2 med proj yet [04:02:36] DrunkenOne > nelson 1v1? [04:02:42] Nelson Vandermark > no atuk cheat JaegerBomb Part 1
Sun Ra	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Farjung Mm, I considered the 1400mm roughly equivalent to the 425mm rail, w/ the 1200mm roughly equivalent to the 350mm rail, meaning the equivalent to the dual 250mm rail is missing. But honestly, do we really need that? I guess a dual 720mm might find a home on the phoon or something, meh. Personally i find 1200 more akin to 250 Frank made me do it
Vee Bot	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:44:00 - [18] well ya got me good there Meridius. I have seen proper hits upto 3000, but the dps of the Tempest, the ship thats meant to be good at long range actually does the least But of course if the mimns got a uber tach like 1800mm-explosive-oil-barrel-launching-cannon-of-doom the poor tempest could only mount 4 anyway ------------------ (_8(\|) BEWARE. EBIL HOMER. IF SPOTTED CALL THIS NUMBER 0-800-I-C-HOMER
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.23 15:55:00 - [19] Originally by: DrunkenOne Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 15:34:56 Originally by: Meridius If tachs are so uber, why do they do less dps then 1400's and 425's tach IIs=.408 1400 IIs=.292 425 IIs=.345 megabeam IIs=.400 w/ BS 5 tempest + 1400 II= .45625 Geddon + tach II= .51 Mega + 425 II= .43125 Geddon + megabeam IIs= .5 And no I'm not gonna calc damage mods cause I dont know how to do that . Convenient using the geddon as a tach boat since you can only fit 5 of them and it's not as good for sniping as say the apoc because of CPU + mid slots. Try again with the apoc and btw, i think something is wrong with your numbers... ________________________________________________________
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.23 16:29:00 - [20] Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 16:29:40 Originally by: Meridius Convenient using the geddon as a tach boat since you can only fit 5 of them and it's not as good for sniping as say the apoc because of CPU + mid slots. Try again with the apoc and btw, i think something is wrong with your numbers... Awesome, you can only fit 5 1400s on a tempest. And the numbers are simply damage/RoF for the 1st group, and then damage/RoF * 1.25 (and an extra *1.25 for the tempest) for the BS. [04:02:36] DrunkenOne > nelson 1v1? [04:02:42] Nelson Vandermark > no atuk cheat Claw=win:JaegerBomb Part 1
Moridan	Posted - 2005.06.23 16:38:00 - [21] I'd love to have a mid range projectile gun effective from 25-40km with half decent tracking, if mostly just for npc'ing. "Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.23 16:39:00 - [22] Originally by: DrunkenOne Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 16:29:40 Originally by: Meridius Convenient using the geddon as a tach boat since you can only fit 5 of them and it's not as good for sniping as say the apoc because of CPU + mid slots. Try again with the apoc and btw, i think something is wrong with your numbers... Awesome, you can only fit 5 1400s on a tempest. And the numbers are simply damage/RoF for the 1st group, and then damage/RoF * 1.25 (and an extra *1.25 for the tempest) for the BS. 5 Tach II's use 100% of a geddons grid so you need a pdu to fit anything else otherwise you will end up in a ship with 5 tachs II's and nothing else. It's better to use mega beams on a geddon anyway so i don't even know why you thought up of tachs on a geddon ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.23 16:56:00 - [23] Here are those numbers drunk... Originally by: DigitalCommunist 425mm Railgun II Base: 3.3x @ 9.563 sec Max Skills: 6.5227x 7.17225 sec DPS: 43.65 Tachyon Beam Laser II Base: 5.1x @ 12.5 sec Max Skills: 8.064x @ 9.375 sec DPS: 41.23 1400mm Artillery II Base: 6.9x @ 23.625 sec Max Skills: 11.86x @ 11.8125 sec DPS: 48.19 You stilling calling the tach an extra uber gun? ________________________________________________________
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:06:00 - [24] Well Ion and Netron med might as well be missing for hybrids. It isn't like you can actually mount them.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:08:00 - [25] Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 17:10:13 Originally by: Meridius Here are those numbers drunk... Originally by: DigitalCommunist 425mm Railgun II Base: 3.3x @ 9.563 sec Max Skills: 6.5227x 7.17225 sec DPS: 43.65 Tachyon Beam Laser II Base: 5.1x @ 12.5 sec Max Skills: 8.064x @ 9.375 sec DPS: 41.23 1400mm Artillery II Base: 6.9x @ 23.625 sec Max Skills: 11.86x @ 11.8125 sec DPS: 48.19 You stilling calling the tach an extra uber gun? Using stats out of context 4tw? Looks like hes using tachs on an apoc, which gets no damage bonuses, so obviously guns with 2 bonuses look better. Hell if you are gonna do that why not compare the tachs on an apoc to 1400 IIs on a phoon? Seeing as how we are using stats that our out of context, why don't we see total dps for the ships hes using the guns on? Tempest w/1400 IIs: 48.19* 6= 289.14 Mega w/ 425 IIs: 43.65 * 7= 305.55 Apoc w/ tach IIs: 41.23* 8= 329.84 Out of context stats 4tw? Yeah, Tachs really suck. Best base stats of the long range guns and best dps on an apoc or geddon. Oh and dont complain that you need 2 RCU IIs or whatever to fit those tachs. Cause that leaevs you with the same # of low slots a tempest has when fitting 6 1400s. Can't we both just whine about how mega's with 425s are uber seeing as how they need no grid mods? [04:02:36] DrunkenOne > nelson 1v1? [04:02:42] Nelson Vandermark > no atuk cheat Claw=win:JaegerBomb Part 1
Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:10:00 - [26] god knows why you2 are arguing over tachyon beam's when this is for new guns not ones that already exist :p ---------------
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Amthrianius god knows why you2 are arguing over tachyon beam's when this is for new guns not ones that already exist :p Me and meri always fight on the forums (and make love ingame). [04:02:36] DrunkenOne > nelson 1v1? [04:02:42] Nelson Vandermark > no atuk cheat Claw=win:JaegerBomb Part 1
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:28:00 - [28] Originally by: DrunkenOne ] tachs are just an extra uber gun for amarr with extra uber fitting reqs. Drunk, my problem was with you calling them uber when they are AT BEST par. Now stop doing stupid things like thinking of tachs on geddons, that does a lot less DPS then a tach with 7 mega beams Mega beams = geddon Tachs = apoc Sorry dread ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:29:00 - [29] Originally by: DrunkenOne Can't we both just whine about how mega's with 425s are uber seeing as how they need no grid mods? It needs no grid mods but well at least the mega is good at something this way ________________________________________________________
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:30:00 - [30] make dual 720s :( [04:02:36] DrunkenOne > nelson 1v1? [04:02:42] Nelson Vandermark > no atuk cheat Claw=win:JaegerBomb Part 1

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