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Gesalt	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:12:00 - [1] Look, I'm new at this pirating business but it's not for want of trying. The only people I've located during my search for victims are people with scary bounties who show up red on my scanner and make me run away. I've been a carebear miner/mission **** which really is very easy. Piracy so far has been much harder, which would be fine if I occasionally found someone to ransom (or take me out if i bite off more than I can handle). I'm in the wrong place clearly... Lonetrek's 0.4s & 0.3s just ain't yielding the customers... my question is, am i unlucky, in the wrong place, or is no-one mining low sec space anymore?
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:22:00 - [2] Its been like this for a while: hopefully with adding zydrine to the ores in 0.4 and below n the next pach there will be more miners there instead of in high security. ------------------ Run and fall or stand in line, in the end what's your's is mine
Lucius Vyne	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:25:00 - [3] I'm in the same boat - my first day frig pirating in belts (in 0.4 in Lonetrek actually) I killed a Badger and then got blown up myself by a Harpy, but since then I've not found anything apart from people camping gates in battleships. I try using the map to identify busy 0.4 systems (or 0.4 systems near hubs), but just because a system is busy doesn't mean that people are mining. I'm also guessing that busy systems will attract bigger and meaner people than me. I think a combination of the map and a bit of luck is your best bet, but if anyone else has any better ideas I'd be happy to hear them...
Maxine Stirner	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:28:00 - [4] Edited by: Maxine Stirner on 23/06/2005 13:32:00 By yourself? I guess you'll have to wait for someone to do something foolishly or without any skill - because that is about all that is going to just drop into your lap. You can encourage foolish behavior or invite it by partaking in it yourself and making others aware of it. The code words for this are in an obscure hybrid diction. You can simply copy paste it: "UR 1vs1 menow u l4mer?!" Sniping works, because turrets intercept instantly at player spawn points. Sniping will always exist, because people are comfortable in the assumption that removal or editing game mechanics does not entail substitution. If you can also find any old systems where other people are at least present, and you have numbers to deal with more than just industrials, then give scan probes a try. CCP apparently doesn't much want frigates camping anything, but an interceptor is generally more than adequate at catching indies exiting gatecloak.. you just have to follow them and catch them on the first try. I'm gonna say that that is all I know about finding targets, because mostly I just spend all my time avoiding others attempting to do what you are doing. I rarely have a good reason to care whether other people retain their ships or not. They're just ships afterall, not causes. Crusades are not launched for the sake of the Crusader. Locking Times & Evil Asteroids
superscarface	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Maxine Stirner Edited by: Maxine Stirner on 23/06/2005 13:32:00 By yourself? I guess you'll have to wait for someone to do something foolishly or without any skill - because that is about all that is going to just drop into your lap. True dat, i found a beta player mining the first belt in a prophecy the other day, in amamake
ASIV TRE	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:56:00 - [6] Mining in Amamake what ever next, maybe they thought it would be safe as all the pirates there only usually camp the gate to the 0.5 (Joke before i get flamed) But your best bet is to keep looking maybe try a different region i'm sure yor find some one
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.23 14:00:00 - [7] aunenen is pretty this time of year [04:02:36] DrunkenOne > nelson 1v1? [04:02:42] Nelson Vandermark > no atuk cheat JaegerBomb Part 1
Gesalt	Posted - 2005.06.23 16:00:00 - [8] thx all... will keep looking. Bring on the trace elements of Zydrine
madaluap	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:14:00 - [9] what really would boost 0.4 and lower is bc npc's. think about it: a 350 k bc that drops fine mods, will be something worth to hunt. also give it a nice sec increase (nothing big like bs , but still pretty good). that combined with zydrine+megacyte in <0.4 will make <0.4 florish. now lets remove uberagents from empire space and most reward is in <0.4.
Reebo77	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:29:00 - [10] Originally by: DrunkenOne aunenen is pretty this time of year You guys still being ebil in aunenen? Can I have my stuff back
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.06.23 19:17:00 - [11] There used to be loads on miners in low sec. Was fun times to bust 10+ BS mining ops. The sad truth now is that everyone is doing lvl 4 missions in hisec because it is more profitable and less risky.
Cummilla	Posted - 2005.06.23 19:23:00 - [12] Edited by: Cummilla on 23/06/2005 19:24:08 Edited by: Cummilla on 23/06/2005 19:23:49 cough cough complexes cough cough Gawdam allergies I've noticed lotsa rich gimps with cap2's and other assorted goodies like to ***** complexes when they get bored of their lvl 4's or need some metals to melt to mins. Although honestly .1 to .4 ganking usually shows you how pathetic most peoples' setups are. They clearly don't read teh forums Every now and then you get a "gamer" who will put up a good fight. In fact my best fight ever in my raven was against a guy setup with a "Raven killer" apoc in .2 system. I ended up structure tanking with no cap and killed him with a thousand or so structure left. Helluva fight
Epais Tete	Posted - 2005.06.23 22:55:00 - [13] Survival of the fittist -- 2 many pirates. Not enough prey. Only the strong survive. To many people switching to pirating -- caused others to stay away from high threat [<5> zones. I mean, come on all those jolly rogers camping jump gates how creative is that -- what do you expect. Shouldn't even be possible you hang around a jump gate too long and someone should be on your tail. Governator where are u? Of course L3 and L4 missions in safer areas helps too. Frankly I don't pirate and think that it should be very difficult to do in protected space.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.24 00:23:00 - [14] Maybe all of you should browse your local regional market trade routes? What a lot of new "pirates" fail to realise is that just killing miners isn't going to really pay the bills. It can however, but like everyone is having to deal with is a flood of other "Pirates". So if you're looking to get some work. Keep your eye on the trade routes that require a trader to buy items in safe security systems and sell them in un-safe security systems. Most if not all good trade routes of these types require a trade to transport millions of isk into a low security system to sell for a much higher price. However, this requires you to actually have a good ship to tank guards with and still kill your target. As well targets that arn't using BM's which a lot of traders who are doing these runs dont. So keep your eye on the trade routes. I'll list some items that are typical trade new players run to make 3-4 million profit doing. -Livestock -Robotics (GOOD Payouts) -Hydro Acid -Any Narcotic -Slaves (Amarrian) -Mechanical Parts Ships you can activly fill the role in camping a gate decent that you can get into quick (Being you're new) are "Battlecruisers". Perfebly "Prophecy" or "Ferox" with rails untill patch (Faster Ballistics). Typical setups you should follow are "Active Shield Hardners" or "Active Armor Hardners". Check out skills ect for the ships and mods. This is only for hauler beatdown, nothing more. Just my 2 isk. Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Discodude	Posted - 2005.06.24 01:39:00 - [15] First of all I suggest useing a battleship for solo pirating because it allows you to defend yourself better while allowing you to destroy bigger targets. But of course skill is a factor there you'll want to be highly skilled. Then I found when I used to pirate that you have to take time to look around search many different areas. I found a excellent area it had a good mining system that major pirates rarely visited and with 15 jumps (useing insta's) I had access to multiple more popular pirating areas. So if my area was baron I'd do some traveling. IMO if you want to get lots of kills you gotta be willing to travel 1 small area is never gonna always be full of targets and even if it is they'll learn who you are and aviod you quickly when you enter so moving around alot makes you less noticed and allows you more opertunaties to kill stuff. Use the map, and definitely learn how to use the scanner it allows you to check a system faster and safer. Insta's Imo are a must. Though 1 thing I highly suggest you useing to your advantage is your sec status. When your able to travel through high sec space because your sec status is still high find low sec systems that are closed off by high sec systems. This means pirates wiht a lows sec can;t get into the system makiung the regular users of the system feel safer and thus they pay less attention to local and my not even notice your a pirate because yuor sec is high up. this = easy easy target. When I first started pirating I used my high sec status to my advantage and got probably 7 kills in my first day pirating I think I turned out 25 killes in that week which was my most sucessfull week ever pirating. So the big key is be smart about it. ----------------------------------------------- "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his" General George Patton Jr.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.24 06:15:00 - [16] Aridia makes a nice hunting ground. a lot of low sec systems.. quite a lot of nice agents so the bears are plentifull. and theres a fair few complexes about that normally have some nicely fitted NPC'ers in them. Gonditsa pretty much owned by Maffia at the moment though... haven't seen loot around in ages which aint a bad thing So my vote is if you want targets set up home around there. Oh and you get nice quick and easy ways into Syndicate & Fountain Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.06.24 07:33:00 - [17] Caldari low sec. space is worst choice... n00bs there get a kessi/caracal/raven. None of those is really mining anyway. And they don't learn to sit in belts for hour, watching roids... I suggest you to try elsewhere.
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.06.24 08:48:00 - [18] Originally by: LUKEC Caldari low sec. space is worst choice... n00bs there get a kessi/caracal/raven. None of those is really mining anyway. And they don't learn to sit in belts for hour, watching roids... I suggest you to try elsewhere. yea try gallente space MAXSuicide > I LOVE U SIIM MAXSuicide > lets go outback for a quicky siim > that was so desperate attempt
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.24 14:14:00 - [19] My corp has had moderate luck in Amarr space. Blood Raiders tear apart shields, which gives us a little bit of an edge when we attack at the same time as an NPC spawn, and the only rival pirate ships we've seen have been MAFIA and Lordless, who seem to be mostly content with staying on their half of the region, giving us the other. Lots of miner corps, including one based in 0.4 we know of, and tourists to the EVE Gate make great target practice. We're hiring people mostly new to piracy, so if you want to join the fun, EVE-mail me or head to Gergish XI (or is it IX? Can never remember) Moon 10 Wyrkomi Factory and apply. That's our recruitment office. "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
Gavin Darklighter	Posted - 2005.06.25 06:33:00 - [20] Wait a minute... you're having trouble finding "customers"? As if pirating is a business of sorts. Stop, my heart is breaking. It's much harder making an honest "living" while avoiding you guys than it will ever be being a pirate. As it is, pirates are swiftly outnumbering the non-pirate types, and as far as I can see you'll turn on each other next, just to find your next thrill...to that, I'll buy tickets to see ( MAFIA takes on Killer Clowns..rofl, or Total Annihilation goes to war against Wraiths Reborn, what a fight! ). Then you'll wipe each other out, and I can go back to making isk and exploring without worrying about some idiots camping a gate. As for being actual PvP'ers, stop being so lame and go on out to 0.0 where the prey has been toughened up and try your pitiful "tactics" there...you'll find that people in Alliances that have been warring back and forth for awhile will probably give you a good fight, since that's all you're really looking for. BTW, there's a reason your "prey" stays where it's safe... They don't particularly care for PvP...other things interest them. It seems you "pirates" keep trying to distill EVE down to what YOU want to see it as...strictly PvP like "Forsaken" or some crap, and force it onto those that don't want it. Stop trying to "convert" the miners and traders into PvP'ers. If they wanted to give you a fight, they wouldn't be doing what they're doing, they'd be doing what YOU'RE doing, making CCP support the economy for all the combatants. You want war and anarchy? There's a hundred other games where you can go that will give you your fill...
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.25 08:02:00 - [21] It's not about pvp, it's not about converting you into pvp. It's about being a criminal and taking hard earn isk or mods you bought from you and turning it into isk. It's not to hard to understand why people pirate in low security empire. Most of these people who can't find noone just arn't experienced enough to use resources or research hard enough. That's there problem and there downfall in the trade. It doesn't mean noone is out there and everyone is hugging 1.0-0.5. Plenty of people go into low security every min of every day. It's just a matter if you're smart enough to predict it. Hate to tell you this also, more people will be comming out to low security everywhere. To get the better taste of rare minerals in common ores in that security. Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Gavin Darklighter	Posted - 2005.06.25 21:16:00 - [22] Edited by: Gavin Darklighter on 25/06/2005 21:18:09 Actually, if you take a look at the map sometime (use average number of players in space) you'll see that most players, by a LONG shot prefer "hugging" higher security space...gee, can there be a reason for that? Does it take a genius to figure this out? Or is it because most people just aren't skilled enough to venture out into low / no sec? I think not....it's because a lot of people who play EVE just don't care for PvP, and yes, too many of you out there insist that EVE is a PvP game...I reiterate my statement from before and add this: there are NOT plenty of people in low / no sec, not many come out to get the minerals either (they would rather just sit back and get them some other way) and until the "criminal element" realizes this, they are always going to be out on the "fringe", waiting for the rare chance to gank someone and or ransom them. Am I trying to convert the pirates out there into "carebears"? Why attempt the impossible?...just like in the real world, there are always going to be vindictive people that feel as if they should be entitled to something for next to nothing, or that feel that because God made them somehow stronger than others, they should take what they want instead of working for it. Seems to me that given the small percentage overall of people who bother to venture out into low / no sec, the pirate "profession" would realize that it's a limited "resource", and people would stop flocking to piracy in EVE. The "customer base" just can't support all you guys clustered together at gates waiting for the occasional morsel, or trolling the belts looking for people who can't or won't give you a fight anyways. Those that consider themselves pirates would go a long way towards observing this and figuring out what they can do with all that spare time spent between victims. Maybe, just maybe, you'll get bored enough to go elsewhere or better yet stop griefing. But I doubt THAT, too.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.25 23:46:00 - [23] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 25/06/2005 23:47:03 Have no idea what to say to idiots. Maybe i'll just let this one go... Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.06.26 11:29:00 - [24] It's a shame that level 4 agents have broken the risk / reward setup that was in Eve, to be honest the harder the agent the lower the sec status of the system is how it should be I think. The reason being that no way is a BS fleet going to make it intact to the heart of an empire, only at the fringes is the heavy action going to be located. As the risk in low sec is too high compared to the rewards compared the agent whoring and scord mining then no one wants to venture there. Would love to see bounty hounting made viable, i.e. less of a security hit for attacking neg sec players or paying for a licence or something, maybe even a skill specialisation that at level means no sec hit for attacking neg sec players with a bounty. But to be honest the best fun is in low sec and 0.0 where the CCP content gives way to player generated content, anyone who doesn't give that a go is wasting thier game money. WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa. WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.06.26 11:43:00 - [25] Originally by: Gavin Darklighter Actually, if you take a look at the map sometime (use average number of players in space) you'll see that most players, by a LONG shot prefer "hugging" higher security space...gee, can there be a reason for that? Does it take a genius to figure this out? Or is it because most people just aren't skilled enough to venture out into low / no sec? The risk / reward hierachy in Eve is broken with Level 4 agents, before then more people went into low sec as it was worthwhile, level 4 reduces the risk for the bountiful rewards. Originally by: Gavin Darklighter I think not....it's because a lot of people who play EVE just don't care for PvP, and yes, too many of you out there insist that EVE is a PvP game...I reiterate my statement from before and add this: there are NOT plenty of people in low / no sec, not many come out to get the minerals either (they would rather just sit back and get them some other way) and until the "criminal element" realizes this, they are always going to be out on the "fringe", waiting for the rare chance to gank someone and or ransom them. As you've pointed out resources in isk and mins are too easy to get via agents, it's very convenient for players but ultimatly turns it into a grind and makes the game boring which leaves to players leaving. EVE is very much a PVP game as you have less high sec than low sec and 0.0 systems. Originally by: Gavin Darklighter Am I trying to convert the pirates out there into "carebears"? Why attempt the impossible?...just like in the real world, there are always going to be vindictive people that feel as if they should be entitled to something for next to nothing, or that feel that because God made them somehow stronger than others, they should take what they want instead of working for it. Actually some of the nicest people I know in this game are pirates and they don't try and convert people to thier way of playing unlike most of the carebears I have seen on this forum. Please don't bother linking gameplay to real life personality traits and piracy is a tough profession, and not an 'I win' button at all. Originally by: Gavin Darklighter Seems to me that given the small percentage overall of people who bother to venture out into low / no sec, the pirate "profession" would realize that it's a limited "resource", and people would stop flocking to piracy in EVE. The "customer base" just can't support all you guys clustered together at gates waiting for the occasional morsel, or trolling the belts looking for people who can't or won't give you a fight anyways. There is a certain population size of prey that can support a population size of predators, of course the pirates attack each other so it's not quite as black and white. Originally by: Gavin Darklighter Those that consider themselves pirates would go a long way towards observing this and figuring out what they can do with all that spare time spent between victims. Maybe, just maybe, you'll get bored enough to go elsewhere or better yet stop griefing. But I doubt THAT, too. Piracy != Griefing, it's a play style that is different from yours and also takes more effort as hunting people is very hard, the AI tends to be better . Oh and I'm in an anti pirate alliance and live in low sec and 0.0 but get fed up when pirates get flamed for having a non carebear play style. We have local pirate corps and there is mutual respect and admiration between us as both sides have the game enriched by the constant low intensity combat. WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa. WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK
Oron	Posted - 2005.06.26 15:38:00 - [26] Use the "jumps in last hour" option to find common travle routes to roaming around. Routes from empire into 0,0 are populated nicly, but you should watch out the alliance camps.. some of them dont like getting pirated.. ;) Long, long ago I meet a real pirate on my ways :( Most there are just simple gankers.
Pitt	Posted - 2005.06.26 17:30:00 - [27] Gesalt, wait for the next patch, we in Loot are hoping the risk vs. reward balance will be brought back into alignment and .4 and lower systems will become alot more attractive to miners, mission runners, etc.. Typherian, you are right Loot hasn't been on eve in some time, and that is a bad thing. Most of us are playing other games or just sitting wathing grass grow, I can get more excited about that than logging on to eve atm. Gavin, people like you make me want to....sigh. I'll just let it go also, I'm so tired of trying to have a discusion with people who don't listen to any other point of view. *Lack of preparation on your part does not constitute greifing on mine*
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.06.27 05:59:00 - [28] w0rd, my brother Gavin Darklighter, w0rd! Althou your points are bit more radicals than mine, I still find many similar toughts there. When I was new in EVE, me and my friends used to actively mine in 0.2 system with alot of hedbergite to consume. Back then there wasnt lvl4 agents and Exodus was just a "soon(TM)"-boogie. I made alot of cash there mining. Few pirates also roamed area and each time I saw pirates entering system, I made my way quickly to station. It wasn't that hard to stay out of their way. Life was happy and nice. But then came agent w**ing and .. well I burnt out myself quickly there. Tried some 0.0 NPC hunting and PvPing but .. nowadays I just train skills and trade items in Yulai. I play some other games to get my PvP kicks _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. "I troll, therefor I am!*" //\\ Suomi-Finland-Perkele asennetta!
Bubba Fett	Posted - 2005.06.27 08:35:00 - [29] Originally by: Discodude Though 1 thing I highly suggest you useing to your advantage is your sec status. When your able to travel through high sec space because your sec status is still high find low sec systems that are closed off by high sec systems. This means pirates wiht a lows sec can;t get into the system makiung the regular users of the system feel safer and thus they pay less attention to local and my not even notice your a pirate because yuor sec is high up. this = easy easy target. Great advice. Go into a .4 system, kill a bunch of the residents, then when your sec status is low from all the kills and you're trapped in the system they can have their fun getting revenge. I live in a .4 system like that and there's a good reason why isolated systems don't have much pirate activity. Even so, most of the residents tend to watch local for low sec players.
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.27 16:23:00 - [30] There's a solution for those high-sec huggers anyway. Suicide Kestrels / Caracals . "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
Lilith Runner	Posted - 2005.06.27 16:35:00 - [31] Missions are a good way to get money and modules. And almost all high skills chars are doing them right now. My last two kills conisted of newbie chars, 1 or 2 months of game time. With better ore in low security space, we should have more miners and competition. Even armed escorts... Well, since I am on it for the fun, it would be a blast.
Cummilla	Posted - 2005.06.27 17:43:00 - [32] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 25/06/2005 23:47:03 Have no idea what to say to idiots. Maybe i'll just let this one go... You did the right thing to let the babble pass. For the life of me I cannot understand how sitting in high sec basically watching the grass grow (PvE) is fun. WTF, are we talking a game like "Sim-Eve" then. Where you tell yer little Eve-Sims to take a dump before eating etc. And don't forget yer WCS's on the way out the door to your "Mission Runner" job
ASIV TRE	Posted - 2005.06.27 18:02:00 - [33] To cummilla's comment, you may think pve is boring but everyone has there way they play eve, miner, pirate, mission runner, ore thief etc etc, everyones different and should be allowed to play the way they want.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.27 18:04:00 - [34] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 27/06/2005 18:05:18 Originally by: Corvus Dove There's a solution for those high-sec huggers anyway. Suicide Kestrels / Caracals . I respect all styles of trades and players joy in what they like in this game. It is a game and we shouldn't be trying to (By Brute Force) kill peoples fun like that. It's one thing to be a pirate and pop someone who comes into your system or region. It's another thing to go in there world and start abusing the security/EVE system and suiciding barges with alts and ships. That's one of those things where people would quit the game and in the long run kill a good portion of the pbase. Because there is no way to prevent or get around that. Where as low security space is preventable. So people who suggest or actually kill people in 0.5-1.0 without war declaration seriously are looked down on by me. This is just me and my opinion, as I respect people who just want to be non-pvp and hug empire. Respect both sides of the world of eve. Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.27 18:24:00 - [35] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 27/06/2005 18:05:18 Originally by: Corvus Dove There's a solution for those high-sec huggers anyway. Suicide Kestrels / Caracals . I respect all styles of trades and players joy in what they like in this game. It is a game and we shouldn't be trying to (By Brute Force) kill peoples fun like that. It's one thing to be a pirate and pop someone who comes into your system or region. It's another thing to go in there world and start abusing the security/EVE system and suiciding barges with alts and ships. That's one of those things where people would quit the game and in the long run kill a good portion of the pbase. Because there is no way to prevent or get around that. Where as low security space is preventable. So people who suggest or actually kill people in 0.5-1.0 without war declaration seriously are looked down on by me. This is just me and my opinion, as I respect people who just want to be non-pvp and hug empire. Respect both sides of the world of eve. It pays the bills. That's what EVE, essentially, is about. Suicides, war decs, whatever it takes. "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
Crellion	Posted - 2005.06.27 18:32:00 - [36] Originally by: ASIV TRE Mining in Amamake what ever next, maybe they thought it would be safe as all the pirates there only usually camp the gate to the 0.5 (Joke before i get flamed) But your best bet is to keep looking maybe try a different region i'm sure yor find some one We did that when based in Rens area and the pirates did stay by the gate and were very polite in not coming anywhere near. Why not? If you get lone traffic day in day out in your snipa-something whats the point of attacking a heavily guarded mining op when even the miners themselves are BSs??? Sure u might win if you organise a bit but whats the point really?
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.06.28 06:42:00 - [37] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri I respect all styles of trades and players joy in what they like in this game. It is a game and we shouldn't be trying to (By Brute Force) kill peoples fun like that. It's one thing to be a pirate and pop someone who comes into your system or region. It's another thing to go in there world and start abusing the security/EVE system and suiciding barges with alts and ships. That's one of those things where people would quit the game and in the long run kill a good portion of the pbase. Because there is no way to prevent or get around that. Where as low security space is preventable. So people who suggest or actually kill people in 0.5-1.0 without war declaration seriously are looked down on by me. This is just me and my opinion, as I respect people who just want to be non-pvp and hug empire. Respect both sides of the world of eve. ... and this comment kinda sums up whole idea and problem within EVE. I have many times been accused to be uber carebear because many "pirate" don't understand my point of view about their profession. What I loathe and dislike very much is those gankers and gate snipers. I do however like REAL pirates and those who works like real criminals with much effort and small revanue. Why is it so hard for "pirates" like Cummilla (ack what a offensive name btw) understand that some people actually LIKE PvE in all its glory. It's a freaking game and still, 80% of interaction in MMORPGs are with NPCs (NON Player Characters). But even if we 's try to say this point of view to 's, there is still so many ""'s out there who thinks that killing others is fun for BOTH parties OR its only THEIR game that needs to be fun and they give jacksh1t about others fun. I respect 's I loathe ""'s (Like many persons on this thread) I enjoy doing all aspects of EVE (Expect ganking and gate sniping) _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. "I troll, therefor I am!" //\\ Suomi-Finland-Perkele asennetta!
Gesalt	Posted - 2005.06.28 12:45:00 - [38] Don't worry. I'm turning to ore thievery now to build some easy cash. cheers
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.06.28 13:41:00 - [39] Dont think theres much money in ore thieving. The only 2 ore thieves that I dont think are too sad are Ashley and that tin rattling lady. They at least have a bit of flair. Most of the others are just attention *****s and assorted misfits climbing on the bandwagon (Tenaj and bigdoggy etc)
Sastria Kasadoraska	Posted - 2005.06.28 14:00:00 - [40] Originally by: Kuolematon Why is it so hard for "pirates" like Cummilla (ack what a offensive name btw) I also thought I it might be a name that implies a certain taste for a sexual byproduct but it seems to be a legitimate and old name...
Pitt	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:02:00 - [41] Edited by: Pitt on 28/06/2005 17:03:49 Kuolematon, as it has been stated many many times before, gate ganking/sniping is a direct result of the nerfs to "real piracy" ie. ransoming mining ops or at gates/stations. Combine that with the lack of reasons for people even doing mining ops in low security. Hence the topic. Reguardless of what you think about my corp, I and a few of us in it really do hate gate camping as much as you do if not more so. Pirating to me should take place in low security empire. Once you venture out to 0.0 to "pirate" all you are doing is alliace warfare. Untill the possability of pirating the way I would like to (the way I used to and the way you want us to) returns piracy is dead to me. I've turned in my union card and parrot. I'm keeping my peg-leg for obvious reasons. These are the reasons I find it difficult to log on these day's. Pirating was what I wanted to do in EVE and the reason I played. I respect the way that you wish to play the game and have nothing but high hopes that you have fun in such a wonderful game as EVE. That goes for every person who plays and enjoy's EVE. My largest fear is that the way I want to play and enjoy the game no longer exsists or ever will again. So any suggestions for an out of work pirate, because I almost have a positive security stat for the first time in over a year and half. *Lack of preparation on your part does not constitute greifing on mine*
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.28 18:10:00 - [42] Q: Is there trade routes still? A: Yes, mostly in 0.4-0.1 systems. Q: Is Piratry all about ransom? A: No.... Q: Is sniping and gate ganking a last result? A: Ummm no... Trade routes remember? Q: So pirates just camp trade routes? A: No, but thats one aspect that hasn't died... Yet... Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Rick Dentill	Posted - 2005.06.28 22:37:00 - [43] Send me 50mill isk and i will tell you _______ Save me Jebus! http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/dd.php
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2005.06.28 23:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Gavin Darklighter As it is, pirates are swiftly outnumbering the non-pirate types, and as far as I can see you'll turn on each other next, just to find your next thrill...to that, I'll buy tickets to see ( MAFIA takes on Killer Clowns..rofl, or Total Annihilation goes to war against Wraiths Reborn, what a fight! ). uh no...most pirates don't want "fair" fights or even challanges, they want easy ganks or "prey" as they lamely call them (as if to imply they are mighty hunters?). Griefers exsist in all MMORGPs, be they lvl 60 night elf thieves who stay cloaked next to lvl 20 mission givers in WoW to jump out and pop the lvl 20 Horde players or be they battleship pilots who look for thorax pilots in gallente space who are mining, war dec their 10 man corp of noobs and then blow them up...it is all the same. Griefers are drawn to EVE beucase of the PvP system, the pro-griefing Devs, and the other actually good qualities of the game. they will never turn on each other, they will quit and find a good player spawn point in another game and wait there with a chain gun for people to pop with out weapons. For some reason EVE likes these people. I like THe true PvPers in thsi game, the allaince forces and people who claims things and fight for reasons in fleets and agaisnt other equally powerful forces, not lame BS pilots attacking haulers for gankage. But meh, what can ya do?
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.06.29 07:25:00 - [45] Originally by: Pitt Kuolematon, as it has been stated many many times before, gate ganking/sniping is a direct result of the nerfs to "real piracy" ie. ransoming mining ops or at gates/stations. Combine that with the lack of reasons for people even doing mining ops in low security. Hence the topic. Reguardless of what you think about my corp, I and a few of us in it really do hate gate camping as much as you do if not more so. Pirating to me should take place in low security empire. Once you venture out to 0.0 to "pirate" all you are doing is alliace warfare. I'm pleased to hear that there is still wisdom on the "other side of the table". I know about your corp, yes, and I find it suprising how you view gate ganking. I have recently been thinking about whole pirate business and I do really want it to be what you said it WAS. But what happened to it? What "nerf" actually caused it to be what it is nowadays? Is it that long term players, who adapted real pirating ideology, left the game and new players who are actually those MMORPG griefers took place and started this whole "easy soft target prey"-ideology. Perhaps all those "pirates" out there who hates me because of my comments about 'em really are griefers who dosen't even want to understand people who enjoy PvE rather than PvP. I know certain player who dosent leave station but makes tons of ISK via market play and trading - and he enjoys it. This all boils down to intoleranse that is one of the worst qualities of human race. We refuse to see others point of view and enforce our own ways to others - just how pirates tells us that getting ganked by THEM is actually FUN .. to them! Btw, I'm intrested to know that is there anyone out there who hates me because of my posts and wants me podded so badly that it hurts? _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. "I troll, therefor I am!" //\\ Suomi-Finland-Perkele asennetta!
Soul Dancer	Posted - 2005.06.29 08:23:00 - [46] Edited by: Soul Dancer on 29/06/2005 08:24:16 do like supremacy gank haulers with 100k zyd, in amarr with suicide caracels and have a friendly indy standing by to get the loot but btw pick ur targets dont go after noobs chars :P
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.29 08:34:00 - [47] Hrrm, since when do you know if someone is PvE or not. I didn't think there was a flag to let us know that you're PvE. Wait, we automaticly know that you're PvE and not just someone wandering in a low security system (That YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN) to bounty hunt, steal ore, move corp to declare war, or corp steal from your corp. Yes we know it all, we just kill you for the hell of it. We don't just do it for the isk, we do it do be MEAN! I was picked on in school and my dad beat me for listening to Papa Rouch. Emo is my life and I always cry myself to sleep. Must seek VENGENCE SOMEWHERE! ERRR! Sure like to know when gate camping to intercept "trade routes" became "Nerfed Piracy". Maybe it's just the new people who all assume ransom was the only piracy out there. Hrrmmm. Maybe someone who hasn't been playing the game for more than 3 months could inlighten all of us on why it is that so many players are having such a hard time... -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Pyr8	Posted - 2005.06.29 12:01:00 - [48] There are no set guidlines how this game should be played, so long as you don't break any of the rules. Piracy, mission running, mining, ore theft, trading and others are all part of the game which makes this game great. Its an individuals choice totally if they wish to make lots of cash in empire with little to no risk, its not there fault the facility with LVL4 agents is there. CCP have obviously seen the flaws developing in high sec empire, with little to no risk yet great profitability, they appear to be addressing these issues gradually with the new patch. I'm personally looking forward to the changes No element of risk in this type of game will certainly do a lot of damage in the long run, and will certainly effect the player base So as mentioned in earlier posts, Battlecruisers, better minerals and moving LVL4 agents to low sec would certainly inprove the game for everybody
Ranger 1	Posted - 2005.06.29 18:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Typherin laidai Aridia makes a nice hunting ground. a lot of low sec systems.. quite a lot of nice agents so the bears are plentifull. and theres a fair few complexes about that normally have some nicely fitted NPC'ers in them. Gonditsa pretty much owned by Maffia at the moment though... haven't seen loot around in ages which aint a bad thing So my vote is if you want targets set up home around there. Oh and you get nice quick and easy ways into Syndicate & Fountain Heh, Ty, I'm going to give you such a smack when I see you next. Long time no see. That's not a moon... that's my POS

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