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Gesalt	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:12:00 - [1] Look, I'm new at this pirating business but it's not for want of trying. The only people I've located during my search for victims are people with scary bounties who show up red on my scanner and make me run away. I've been a carebear miner/mission **** which really is very easy. Piracy so far has been much harder, which would be fine if I occasionally found someone to ransom (or take me out if i bite off more than I can handle). I'm in the wrong place clearly... Lonetrek's 0.4s & 0.3s just ain't yielding the customers... my question is, am i unlucky, in the wrong place, or is no-one mining low sec space anymore?
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:22:00 - [2] Its been like this for a while: hopefully with adding zydrine to the ores in 0.4 and below n the next pach there will be more miners there instead of in high security. ------------------ Run and fall or stand in line, in the end what's your's is mine
Lucius Vyne	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:25:00 - [3] I'm in the same boat - my first day frig pirating in belts (in 0.4 in Lonetrek actually) I killed a Badger and then got blown up myself by a Harpy, but since then I've not found anything apart from people camping gates in battleships. I try using the map to identify busy 0.4 systems (or 0.4 systems near hubs), but just because a system is busy doesn't mean that people are mining. I'm also guessing that busy systems will attract bigger and meaner people than me. I think a combination of the map and a bit of luck is your best bet, but if anyone else has any better ideas I'd be happy to hear them...
Maxine Stirner	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:28:00 - [4] Edited by: Maxine Stirner on 23/06/2005 13:32:00 By yourself? I guess you'll have to wait for someone to do something foolishly or without any skill - because that is about all that is going to just drop into your lap. You can encourage foolish behavior or invite it by partaking in it yourself and making others aware of it. The code words for this are in an obscure hybrid diction. You can simply copy paste it: "UR 1vs1 menow u l4mer?!" Sniping works, because turrets intercept instantly at player spawn points. Sniping will always exist, because people are comfortable in the assumption that removal or editing game mechanics does not entail substitution. If you can also find any old systems where other people are at least present, and you have numbers to deal with more than just industrials, then give scan probes a try. CCP apparently doesn't much want frigates camping anything, but an interceptor is generally more than adequate at catching indies exiting gatecloak.. you just have to follow them and catch them on the first try. I'm gonna say that that is all I know about finding targets, because mostly I just spend all my time avoiding others attempting to do what you are doing. I rarely have a good reason to care whether other people retain their ships or not. They're just ships afterall, not causes. Crusades are not launched for the sake of the Crusader. Locking Times & Evil Asteroids
superscarface	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Maxine Stirner Edited by: Maxine Stirner on 23/06/2005 13:32:00 By yourself? I guess you'll have to wait for someone to do something foolishly or without any skill - because that is about all that is going to just drop into your lap. True dat, i found a beta player mining the first belt in a prophecy the other day, in amamake
ASIV TRE	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:56:00 - [6] Mining in Amamake what ever next, maybe they thought it would be safe as all the pirates there only usually camp the gate to the 0.5 (Joke before i get flamed) But your best bet is to keep looking maybe try a different region i'm sure yor find some one
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.23 14:00:00 - [7] aunenen is pretty this time of year [04:02:36] DrunkenOne > nelson 1v1? [04:02:42] Nelson Vandermark > no atuk cheat JaegerBomb Part 1
Gesalt	Posted - 2005.06.23 16:00:00 - [8] thx all... will keep looking. Bring on the trace elements of Zydrine
madaluap	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:14:00 - [9] what really would boost 0.4 and lower is bc npc's. think about it: a 350 k bc that drops fine mods, will be something worth to hunt. also give it a nice sec increase (nothing big like bs , but still pretty good). that combined with zydrine+megacyte in <0.4 will make <0.4 florish. now lets remove uberagents from empire space and most reward is in <0.4.
Reebo77	Posted - 2005.06.23 17:29:00 - [10] Originally by: DrunkenOne aunenen is pretty this time of year You guys still being ebil in aunenen? Can I have my stuff back
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.06.23 19:17:00 - [11] There used to be loads on miners in low sec. Was fun times to bust 10+ BS mining ops. The sad truth now is that everyone is doing lvl 4 missions in hisec because it is more profitable and less risky.
Cummilla	Posted - 2005.06.23 19:23:00 - [12] Edited by: Cummilla on 23/06/2005 19:24:08 Edited by: Cummilla on 23/06/2005 19:23:49 cough cough complexes cough cough Gawdam allergies I've noticed lotsa rich gimps with cap2's and other assorted goodies like to ***** complexes when they get bored of their lvl 4's or need some metals to melt to mins. Although honestly .1 to .4 ganking usually shows you how pathetic most peoples' setups are. They clearly don't read teh forums Every now and then you get a "gamer" who will put up a good fight. In fact my best fight ever in my raven was against a guy setup with a "Raven killer" apoc in .2 system. I ended up structure tanking with no cap and killed him with a thousand or so structure left. Helluva fight
Epais Tete	Posted - 2005.06.23 22:55:00 - [13] Survival of the fittist -- 2 many pirates. Not enough prey. Only the strong survive. To many people switching to pirating -- caused others to stay away from high threat [<5> zones. I mean, come on all those jolly rogers camping jump gates how creative is that -- what do you expect. Shouldn't even be possible you hang around a jump gate too long and someone should be on your tail. Governator where are u? Of course L3 and L4 missions in safer areas helps too. Frankly I don't pirate and think that it should be very difficult to do in protected space.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.24 00:23:00 - [14] Maybe all of you should browse your local regional market trade routes? What a lot of new "pirates" fail to realise is that just killing miners isn't going to really pay the bills. It can however, but like everyone is having to deal with is a flood of other "Pirates". So if you're looking to get some work. Keep your eye on the trade routes that require a trader to buy items in safe security systems and sell them in un-safe security systems. Most if not all good trade routes of these types require a trade to transport millions of isk into a low security system to sell for a much higher price. However, this requires you to actually have a good ship to tank guards with and still kill your target. As well targets that arn't using BM's which a lot of traders who are doing these runs dont. So keep your eye on the trade routes. I'll list some items that are typical trade new players run to make 3-4 million profit doing. -Livestock -Robotics (GOOD Payouts) -Hydro Acid -Any Narcotic -Slaves (Amarrian) -Mechanical Parts Ships you can activly fill the role in camping a gate decent that you can get into quick (Being you're new) are "Battlecruisers". Perfebly "Prophecy" or "Ferox" with rails untill patch (Faster Ballistics). Typical setups you should follow are "Active Shield Hardners" or "Active Armor Hardners". Check out skills ect for the ships and mods. This is only for hauler beatdown, nothing more. Just my 2 isk. Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Discodude	Posted - 2005.06.24 01:39:00 - [15] First of all I suggest useing a battleship for solo pirating because it allows you to defend yourself better while allowing you to destroy bigger targets. But of course skill is a factor there you'll want to be highly skilled. Then I found when I used to pirate that you have to take time to look around search many different areas. I found a excellent area it had a good mining system that major pirates rarely visited and with 15 jumps (useing insta's) I had access to multiple more popular pirating areas. So if my area was baron I'd do some traveling. IMO if you want to get lots of kills you gotta be willing to travel 1 small area is never gonna always be full of targets and even if it is they'll learn who you are and aviod you quickly when you enter so moving around alot makes you less noticed and allows you more opertunaties to kill stuff. Use the map, and definitely learn how to use the scanner it allows you to check a system faster and safer. Insta's Imo are a must. Though 1 thing I highly suggest you useing to your advantage is your sec status. When your able to travel through high sec space because your sec status is still high find low sec systems that are closed off by high sec systems. This means pirates wiht a lows sec can;t get into the system makiung the regular users of the system feel safer and thus they pay less attention to local and my not even notice your a pirate because yuor sec is high up. this = easy easy target. When I first started pirating I used my high sec status to my advantage and got probably 7 kills in my first day pirating I think I turned out 25 killes in that week which was my most sucessfull week ever pirating. So the big key is be smart about it. ----------------------------------------------- "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his" General George Patton Jr.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.24 06:15:00 - [16] Aridia makes a nice hunting ground. a lot of low sec systems.. quite a lot of nice agents so the bears are plentifull. and theres a fair few complexes about that normally have some nicely fitted NPC'ers in them. Gonditsa pretty much owned by Maffia at the moment though... haven't seen loot around in ages which aint a bad thing So my vote is if you want targets set up home around there. Oh and you get nice quick and easy ways into Syndicate & Fountain Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.06.24 07:33:00 - [17] Caldari low sec. space is worst choice... n00bs there get a kessi/caracal/raven. None of those is really mining anyway. And they don't learn to sit in belts for hour, watching roids... I suggest you to try elsewhere.
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.06.24 08:48:00 - [18] Originally by: LUKEC Caldari low sec. space is worst choice... n00bs there get a kessi/caracal/raven. None of those is really mining anyway. And they don't learn to sit in belts for hour, watching roids... I suggest you to try elsewhere. yea try gallente space MAXSuicide > I LOVE U SIIM MAXSuicide > lets go outback for a quicky siim > that was so desperate attempt
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.24 14:14:00 - [19] My corp has had moderate luck in Amarr space. Blood Raiders tear apart shields, which gives us a little bit of an edge when we attack at the same time as an NPC spawn, and the only rival pirate ships we've seen have been MAFIA and Lordless, who seem to be mostly content with staying on their half of the region, giving us the other. Lots of miner corps, including one based in 0.4 we know of, and tourists to the EVE Gate make great target practice. We're hiring people mostly new to piracy, so if you want to join the fun, EVE-mail me or head to Gergish XI (or is it IX? Can never remember) Moon 10 Wyrkomi Factory and apply. That's our recruitment office. "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
Gavin Darklighter	Posted - 2005.06.25 06:33:00 - [20] Wait a minute... you're having trouble finding "customers"? As if pirating is a business of sorts. Stop, my heart is breaking. It's much harder making an honest "living" while avoiding you guys than it will ever be being a pirate. As it is, pirates are swiftly outnumbering the non-pirate types, and as far as I can see you'll turn on each other next, just to find your next thrill...to that, I'll buy tickets to see ( MAFIA takes on Killer Clowns..rofl, or Total Annihilation goes to war against Wraiths Reborn, what a fight! ). Then you'll wipe each other out, and I can go back to making isk and exploring without worrying about some idiots camping a gate. As for being actual PvP'ers, stop being so lame and go on out to 0.0 where the prey has been toughened up and try your pitiful "tactics" there...you'll find that people in Alliances that have been warring back and forth for awhile will probably give you a good fight, since that's all you're really looking for. BTW, there's a reason your "prey" stays where it's safe... They don't particularly care for PvP...other things interest them. It seems you "pirates" keep trying to distill EVE down to what YOU want to see it as...strictly PvP like "Forsaken" or some crap, and force it onto those that don't want it. Stop trying to "convert" the miners and traders into PvP'ers. If they wanted to give you a fight, they wouldn't be doing what they're doing, they'd be doing what YOU'RE doing, making CCP support the economy for all the combatants. You want war and anarchy? There's a hundred other games where you can go that will give you your fill...
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.25 08:02:00 - [21] It's not about pvp, it's not about converting you into pvp. It's about being a criminal and taking hard earn isk or mods you bought from you and turning it into isk. It's not to hard to understand why people pirate in low security empire. Most of these people who can't find noone just arn't experienced enough to use resources or research hard enough. That's there problem and there downfall in the trade. It doesn't mean noone is out there and everyone is hugging 1.0-0.5. Plenty of people go into low security every min of every day. It's just a matter if you're smart enough to predict it. Hate to tell you this also, more people will be comming out to low security everywhere. To get the better taste of rare minerals in common ores in that security. Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Gavin Darklighter	Posted - 2005.06.25 21:16:00 - [22] Edited by: Gavin Darklighter on 25/06/2005 21:18:09 Actually, if you take a look at the map sometime (use average number of players in space) you'll see that most players, by a LONG shot prefer "hugging" higher security space...gee, can there be a reason for that? Does it take a genius to figure this out? Or is it because most people just aren't skilled enough to venture out into low / no sec? I think not....it's because a lot of people who play EVE just don't care for PvP, and yes, too many of you out there insist that EVE is a PvP game...I reiterate my statement from before and add this: there are NOT plenty of people in low / no sec, not many come out to get the minerals either (they would rather just sit back and get them some other way) and until the "criminal element" realizes this, they are always going to be out on the "fringe", waiting for the rare chance to gank someone and or ransom them. Am I trying to convert the pirates out there into "carebears"? Why attempt the impossible?...just like in the real world, there are always going to be vindictive people that feel as if they should be entitled to something for next to nothing, or that feel that because God made them somehow stronger than others, they should take what they want instead of working for it. Seems to me that given the small percentage overall of people who bother to venture out into low / no sec, the pirate "profession" would realize that it's a limited "resource", and people would stop flocking to piracy in EVE. The "customer base" just can't support all you guys clustered together at gates waiting for the occasional morsel, or trolling the belts looking for people who can't or won't give you a fight anyways. Those that consider themselves pirates would go a long way towards observing this and figuring out what they can do with all that spare time spent between victims. Maybe, just maybe, you'll get bored enough to go elsewhere or better yet stop griefing. But I doubt THAT, too.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.25 23:46:00 - [23] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 25/06/2005 23:47:03 Have no idea what to say to idiots. Maybe i'll just let this one go... Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.06.26 11:29:00 - [24] It's a shame that level 4 agents have broken the risk / reward setup that was in Eve, to be honest the harder the agent the lower the sec status of the system is how it should be I think. The reason being that no way is a BS fleet going to make it intact to the heart of an empire, only at the fringes is the heavy action going to be located. As the risk in low sec is too high compared to the rewards compared the agent whoring and scord mining then no one wants to venture there. Would love to see bounty hounting made viable, i.e. less of a security hit for attacking neg sec players or paying for a licence or something, maybe even a skill specialisation that at level means no sec hit for attacking neg sec players with a bounty. But to be honest the best fun is in low sec and 0.0 where the CCP content gives way to player generated content, anyone who doesn't give that a go is wasting thier game money. WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa. WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.06.26 11:43:00 - [25] Originally by: Gavin Darklighter Actually, if you take a look at the map sometime (use average number of players in space) you'll see that most players, by a LONG shot prefer "hugging" higher security space...gee, can there be a reason for that? Does it take a genius to figure this out? Or is it because most people just aren't skilled enough to venture out into low / no sec? The risk / reward hierachy in Eve is broken with Level 4 agents, before then more people went into low sec as it was worthwhile, level 4 reduces the risk for the bountiful rewards. Originally by: Gavin Darklighter I think not....it's because a lot of people who play EVE just don't care for PvP, and yes, too many of you out there insist that EVE is a PvP game...I reiterate my statement from before and add this: there are NOT plenty of people in low / no sec, not many come out to get the minerals either (they would rather just sit back and get them some other way) and until the "criminal element" realizes this, they are always going to be out on the "fringe", waiting for the rare chance to gank someone and or ransom them. As you've pointed out resources in isk and mins are too easy to get via agents, it's very convenient for players but ultimatly turns it into a grind and makes the game boring which leaves to players leaving. EVE is very much a PVP game as you have less high sec than low sec and 0.0 systems. Originally by: Gavin Darklighter Am I trying to convert the pirates out there into "carebears"? Why attempt the impossible?...just like in the real world, there are always going to be vindictive people that feel as if they should be entitled to something for next to nothing, or that feel that because God made them somehow stronger than others, they should take what they want instead of working for it. Actually some of the nicest people I know in this game are pirates and they don't try and convert people to thier way of playing unlike most of the carebears I have seen on this forum. Please don't bother linking gameplay to real life personality traits and piracy is a tough profession, and not an 'I win' button at all. Originally by: Gavin Darklighter Seems to me that given the small percentage overall of people who bother to venture out into low / no sec, the pirate "profession" would realize that it's a limited "resource", and people would stop flocking to piracy in EVE. The "customer base" just can't support all you guys clustered together at gates waiting for the occasional morsel, or trolling the belts looking for people who can't or won't give you a fight anyways. There is a certain population size of prey that can support a population size of predators, of course the pirates attack each other so it's not quite as black and white. Originally by: Gavin Darklighter Those that consider themselves pirates would go a long way towards observing this and figuring out what they can do with all that spare time spent between victims. Maybe, just maybe, you'll get bored enough to go elsewhere or better yet stop griefing. But I doubt THAT, too. Piracy != Griefing, it's a play style that is different from yours and also takes more effort as hunting people is very hard, the AI tends to be better . Oh and I'm in an anti pirate alliance and live in low sec and 0.0 but get fed up when pirates get flamed for having a non carebear play style. We have local pirate corps and there is mutual respect and admiration between us as both sides have the game enriched by the constant low intensity combat. WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa. WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK
Oron	Posted - 2005.06.26 15:38:00 - [26] Use the "jumps in last hour" option to find common travle routes to roaming around. Routes from empire into 0,0 are populated nicly, but you should watch out the alliance camps.. some of them dont like getting pirated.. ;) Long, long ago I meet a real pirate on my ways :( Most there are just simple gankers.
Pitt	Posted - 2005.06.26 17:30:00 - [27] Gesalt, wait for the next patch, we in Loot are hoping the risk vs. reward balance will be brought back into alignment and .4 and lower systems will become alot more attractive to miners, mission runners, etc.. Typherian, you are right Loot hasn't been on eve in some time, and that is a bad thing. Most of us are playing other games or just sitting wathing grass grow, I can get more excited about that than logging on to eve atm. Gavin, people like you make me want to....sigh. I'll just let it go also, I'm so tired of trying to have a discusion with people who don't listen to any other point of view. *Lack of preparation on your part does not constitute greifing on mine*
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.06.27 05:59:00 - [28] w0rd, my brother Gavin Darklighter, w0rd! Althou your points are bit more radicals than mine, I still find many similar toughts there. When I was new in EVE, me and my friends used to actively mine in 0.2 system with alot of hedbergite to consume. Back then there wasnt lvl4 agents and Exodus was just a "soon(TM)"-boogie. I made alot of cash there mining. Few pirates also roamed area and each time I saw pirates entering system, I made my way quickly to station. It wasn't that hard to stay out of their way. Life was happy and nice. But then came agent w**ing and .. well I burnt out myself quickly there. Tried some 0.0 NPC hunting and PvPing but .. nowadays I just train skills and trade items in Yulai. I play some other games to get my PvP kicks _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. "I troll, therefor I am!*" //\\ Suomi-Finland-Perkele asennetta!
Bubba Fett	Posted - 2005.06.27 08:35:00 - [29] Originally by: Discodude Though 1 thing I highly suggest you useing to your advantage is your sec status. When your able to travel through high sec space because your sec status is still high find low sec systems that are closed off by high sec systems. This means pirates wiht a lows sec can;t get into the system makiung the regular users of the system feel safer and thus they pay less attention to local and my not even notice your a pirate because yuor sec is high up. this = easy easy target. Great advice. Go into a .4 system, kill a bunch of the residents, then when your sec status is low from all the kills and you're trapped in the system they can have their fun getting revenge. I live in a .4 system like that and there's a good reason why isolated systems don't have much pirate activity. Even so, most of the residents tend to watch local for low sec players.
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.27 16:23:00 - [30] There's a solution for those high-sec huggers anyway. Suicide Kestrels / Caracals . "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"

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