The Tormentor is great. It's a Punisher that loses a small amount of tank in exchange for a web.

+1 I've always liked this ship and drones are my favs.

Comment on the puni I run ab and a Web. best combo.

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Tormentor is a joke compared to Tristan.
Main problem is that the new combat frigs in general s....
Kestrel and Breacher aren-¦t good too. Tristan is actually one of the most beloved T1 frigs in game it seems.

So the tormentor was rebalanced during crucible and was a decent ship, then all the other frigates got buffed leaving the tormentor in the dust.
It is now basically a incursus but inferior in every way imaginable. Now that the amarr are a drone race maybe the tormentor should be retooled as an amarr tristan. The amarr kinda have a drone boat in the crucifier but it only has 3 drones and no bonuses.

Amarr will never be a drone race like the gallente, they're adding some drones to make them more viable seeing as tracking disruptors pretty much Nerf all the dps amarr can do, if your complaining the tormentor isnt good enough your not using it right, maybe as a sniper or t1 interceptor.

Or maybe the tormentor has been brought out as a lvl 1 mission ship, i think i remember getting the bpc for them way back in the tutorials.

how do you fit a web on a punisher? Two midslots, it is probably going to be a propolsion mod or scram unless your doing some sort of lol fit with an active tank on it in which case you still don't fit webs. The punisher also has a massive buffer and good dps. The tormentor has the same dps, if your doing an active tank on it then the incursus is also better than it , while doing more dps, needing less cap, and being faster. Their is literally nothing a tormentor can do that other frigates can't do better. Not to mention it doesn't fit in CCP's current rebalancing plan.

Um, you missed the point. The punisher will not have a web. The tormentor will. From ~5km to the edge of scram range the Tormentor will beat pretty much anything else. The Tristan can be fit comparably, but its damage is almost entirely destroyable.

Any other ship with a web will kill a tormentor. Oh look a atron/executioner! U DEAD. OH LOOK ANY OTHER BRAWLING FRIGATE WITH 3+ MIDSLOTS! At least the punisher had the virtue of being a brick with amazing resists that help when logi is around. Then while your shooting that tristan's drones that he can suck in/replace he is killing you! Maybe he had a small neut fitted, boy am I sure glad I have that reduction to cap use bonus, oh I can't shoot him anyway! Also what is the point of a tormentor when it is nothing more than a incursus with lesser stats and it's only bonus other than gun damage is only makes said weapon system not suck your capacitor into oblivion.

Atron/executioner are made of paper. Other brawling frigates may be able to close due to the Tormentor's low speed, eventually..but the Tormentor is still tanky and still capable of fighting up close. By the time most other brawling frigates get point blank, they will be half dead.

Tristan damage is pitiful without drones. It has two unbonused turret hardpoints, which can either be rails (laughable DPS) or blasters (slightly less laughable and requires you get point blank). Given that even bonused drones are exceedingly squishy, this does count as a notable weakness.

The Tormentor is probably my favorite frigate after the Tristan. (Which is hilariously OP btw).

High:
Focused Pulse II x 3
Mid:
AB II
Web II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler
Low:
DC II
200mm rolled tungsten
Adaptive Nano Plate II
SAR II
Rigs:
Small Energy Burst
Small Armor Nano Pump x 2

Hobs II x 2

Overheat your mids and approach to get the initial tackle. Move to 8km and kite after that. Anything MWD fit should die in a fire. This ship is infinitely better then the Punisher.

Dead Kiter

I have seen a few slip past. Their DPS is so horrible though that you can usually call for and get help before they kill you. And if you have Loki boosts? (Above example did not) -18km web and 16 km scram. Fly no tank kiters at your own risk.

Edit: with a web and an AB a target will have a hard time getting under your guns which is the real weakness of the Punisher. Instant ammo swap lets you push 180 DPS or so. (I don't have Pyfa at work for exact numbers). The ship hurts, has about 5.5k EHP, and can get a few cycles of it's SAR to add to that.

Atron/executioner can use this cool strategy called KITING. Their tank doesn't matter because you will never hit them. Even if im dumb enough to warp into a plex your in I still have a chance to coast out of scram range.

The tormentor also isn't that tanky and my incursus can go faster while perma tanking the thing. Every damn brawler can. My merlin/incursus can tank you while hitting you with null. My kestrel will rain full dps on you while having a bigger buffer than you, my slasher will run laps around you while ASB tanking and getting you with a tracking disruptor, the breacher will shake off your damage and apply full dps hitting your resist hole, the punisher has the exact same damage projection and out tanks you massively forcing you to retreat at the least. the condor will kite the **** out of you, the incursus can perma tank you or fit for kiting. Also did you forget that I can fit AUTOCANNONS on my trist or dual neuts and shut off your tormentor completely. The Tristan has multiple sets of drones and will close range while your trying to kill them. Frigate fights have extremely short durations and wasting time trying to kill my drones is a really unwise decision in most cases.

The Incursus can only permatank the thing (and most other t1 frigates) with a gimmicky dual rep fit...A dual rep fit that will not have a web and thus will never get into range. It would be a stalemate until the Incursus ran out of boosters at which point it would die.

Blasterboats with null (and no real range bonus) cannot effectively fight at ~8km. The only thing a Merlin/Incursus can kill at that range is something that also cannot project damage for ****.

TD/ASB slasher could probably win. Breacher/Punisher explicitly counter the tormentor on the basis of range projection, this is nothing new (though the tormentor isn't that much less tanky).

Unbonused autocannons are going to function like blasters except with **** damage. Dual neut could be interesting against a laserboat like the Tristan but you may or may not consistently be in neut range.

the Tristan does not have a full extra flight of drones. It has 3 extra.

First off the atron is nearly identical to the executioner and an excellent kiting ship. Also you said your tormentor would beat anything, so I said anything.

Blasterboats will null can still hit you while closing distance on you, also the merlins buffer is massive it will catch you. Once I close range I can go antimatter and **** ye, then what happens if the fight starts and your not more than 7km away? Also that gimmicky ship will either tank your ships dps for a really really long time. Then if I fit a buffer incursus, not only can I catch you because im faster but I will do more dps when I do close range.

Then if I fit a buffer incursus, not only can I catch you because im faster but I will do more dps when I do close range.

Unbonused autocannons can project range and hit your for any damage type, and I will be consistently in neut range because IM FASTER THAN YOU.