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K1netic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.01.15 11:43:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Hans Hoff wrote: FAIL. Can I get an answer from someone who knows what he's talking about? Briefly, IT DON'T HAPPEN. Or I wouldn't have posted on here. Check the other post, Someone is quitting. Go ask for his stuffs.
XP wont install (at least from official Microsoft volumes) on your modern computer, because it doesn't have SCSI drivers included to properly recognize your HDD drives. You have two solutions: 1. Install Windows 7. Install is easy and all essential drivers are included. 2. Download SCSI driver for your motherboard, copy them on floppy (google what it is  ) and choose them when loading XP installation. Alternatively you can try to make your custom XP bootable DVD with SCSI drivers included using Nlite tool. But seriously, there is no reason to stay on XP. SCSI is older than WinXP, they don't sell PC with that crap anymore wtf you talking about.
some bios have options to format hard drives. Or use your old computer to reformat you main drive. after that just insert the winXP cd.
+1 to what other have said you probably won't use most of your resources using an 11y old dinosaur but do as you wish. |

K1netic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.01.15 11:45:00 -
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Hans Hoff wrote:Juan Andalusian wrote:Hans Hoff wrote:Andski wrote:try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur I own a copy of windows XP and after windows 8 I will be F****ked if I give Bill Gates one more cent. I checked out the net for alternative os BUT MOST SEEM TO BE STILL IN THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE.. Until about an hour ago I was running 4 accounts on an old comp using XP. It has got a loose connection somewhere and I have left it running since early December.. The power cut about an hour ago has made me decide to drag this comp out of its box and fire it up. I would appreciate information how to uninstall windows 8 a replace it with XP. Although opinions are interesting they are not really helpful. Jesus. 1) Format the drive. 2) Insert XP DVD into DVD Drive. 3) Set Boot Device. 4) Do what the PC asks you. I sincerely hope you fail and that someone close to you more computer savvy forces windows 7 on you. FAIL. Can I get an answer from someone who knows what he's talking about? Briefly, IT DON'T HAPPEN. Or I wouldn't have posted on here. Check the other post, Someone is quitting. Go ask for his stuffs. you fail because that's how you do it. maybe you should try explaining which part exactly you failed at. |

Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc Zero Hour Alliance
131
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Posted - 2013.01.15 11:49:00 -
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K1netic wrote: you fail because that's how you do it. maybe you should try explaining which part exactly you failed at.
He already did, he was looking in the Windows startup options (f8) instead of his bios. |

Emma Knightly
11
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Posted - 2013.01.15 11:49:00 -
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Downgrading your new PC to Windows XP is fraught with problems.
As others have already warned you it is likely it will come with all the drives including any DVD reader/writer drives connected to SATA ports. Out of the box versions of XP cannot support SATA drives unless you download and install the required drivers during the install process. You will also have trouble even getting the XP install disk to even boot under these circumstances.
An easy way to find out if the disk will boot in your machine is to look at the boot screen when the system starts, look for a keypress for GÇÿBoot menuGÇÖ, often tapping either F2 or F8 will get you this screen. You can then select the drive the disk is in and see if it will boot from it.
Also be warned that XP may well not support the motherboard chipsets, video card, USB ports (may well be USB 3) and such like, so again you will have problems getting any external devices to work.
A far better option even thought you may not like it would be to get a copy of Windows 7 which will cover most if not all of the above problems in one fell swoop. You can get an upgrade version of Windows 7 and use it as a downgrade, you can even install it on a clean HD if you donGÇÖt mind doing it twice lol.
Windows 8 will run Eve and you can get used to it if you try and stick to the desktop view. Also learning the keyboard shortcuts can be handy. My favourites are (Alt + F4) to shut any running full screen appGÇÖs, and the Windows key + Q (Search and Apps list), Windows key + I (settings), there are many more you can find if you try.
One other tip as you are used to XP, download and install Windows Live Essentials to give yourself a reasonable email client, try and install programs not apps to do things (Skype is essential), and make sure you use a Microsoft ID to log in to your computer to allow access to the market place and all the other stuff.
Otherwise whatever you do, good luck 
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Jonah Gravenstein
Overly Complex Security Innovations
5043
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Posted - 2013.01.15 11:52:00 -
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XP is getting on a bit now, your new PC is likely to have hardware that XP has no drivers for, USB3, SATA controllers, some onboard sound etc, will not work with XP unless you can find third party drivers for them. I would suggest doing as others have suggested, live with win8 and remove the Metro interface or downgrade to win7, both of which are 2 generations ahead of XP in terms of hardware support.
XP still has it's place, gaming isn't it.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |

Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
188
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Posted - 2013.01.15 11:57:00 -
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Just so you know, Win8 is perfectly viable without a touchscreen. The new Metro "Start Menu" can be setup to be very usefull with a mouse. You just need to play around a bit to what is comfortable to you. Don't jump on the bandwagon just because it looks different.
XP....XP has it's place on computers, but it's an old dinosaur. If you are dead set on downgrading, downgrade to Win7, but atleast give 8 a chance. Don't be afraid of change.
Learn shortcuts Win+I, Win+X, Win+C. Win+X became a personal favourite of mine. Learn to use "Type to search", just hit the Win Key, and start typing the name of the program you need. |

Etherealclams
305
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Posted - 2013.01.15 12:24:00 -
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Braxus Deninard wrote:Is this a joke? Windows 8 has the exact same interface as Windows 7 (desktop environment etc, the only change is the lack of the start button, big whoop!), you can turn off the "metro" touch interface with one click, and then you can stop it from ever appearing again.
There is no logical reason to downgrade, W8 has some nice speed improvements over W7 as well.
Exactly. W8 has speed upgrades, other upgrades, plus that menu... which I just set to not appear until I want it to ( I just go straight to desktop ) and it's like it's windows 7 but with speed upgrades!
No reason to go to XP. jesus christ. http://aclamthatrants.blogspot.com/ Read up on my adventures. |

RaTTuS
BIG Everywhere - Everything
233
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Posted - 2013.01.15 12:28:00 -
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dont use xp - down grade the interface in win8 to be like win7
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1053
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Posted - 2013.01.15 12:36:00 -
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Windows XP, 64 bit edition is, to put it politely, not very good.
Windows 7 (or 8) 64 bit edition works without any trouble at all. If you want more than 3.2GB of RAM, go with 7 or 8. I'm using 8 on my laptop and desktop. No trouble at all, and a bunch of benefits. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12619
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Posted - 2013.01.15 12:43:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Just so you know, Win8 is perfectly viable without a touchscreen. The new Metro "Start Menu" can be setup to be very usefull with a mouse. You just need to play around a bit to what is comfortable to you. Don't jump on the bandwagon just because it looks different. The problem with No-Longer-Metro isn't that it can't be used or that it's different GÇö it's that it's pointless. It is there to solve the issue of multitasking overview on single-task platforms with small-size/lowres screens.
Metro was obsoleted by type-to-search, which came with Vista(!). All the other things it's supposed to solve aren't issues on a proper full-size computer and instead, it only manages to introduce usability problems because it supposes (and thus imposes) restrictions that come from a completely different platform.
Just because it can be skipped, worked around, or GÇö with large enough a chisel GÇö disabled doesn't make it any less misapplied. It's a wart that should never have existed to begin with because all it does is get in the way, which is pretty much the exact opposite of what a good UI should do. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

Sarmatiko
859
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Posted - 2013.01.15 12:46:00 -
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K1netic wrote:SCSI is older than WinXP, they don't sell PC with that crap anymore wtf you talking about. it's all about SATA these days.. You never installed XP on SATA drive, isnt it? XP installer have this message: "Press F6 if you need to install a third party SCSI or RAID driver...." so I have used SCSI term for clarity. Technically OP still needs driver for SATA controller.
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Braxus Deninard
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
88
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Posted - 2013.01.15 12:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Just so you know, Win8 is perfectly viable without a touchscreen. The new Metro "Start Menu" can be setup to be very usefull with a mouse. You just need to play around a bit to what is comfortable to you. Don't jump on the bandwagon just because it looks different. The problem with No-Longer-Metro isn't that it can't be used or that it's different GÇö it's that it's pointless. It is there to solve the issue of multitasking overview on single-task platforms with small-size/lowres screens, a problem that doesn't exist in a multi-task large-size/highres environment. Metro was obsoleted by type-to-search and similar UI tweaks, which came with Vista(!). All the other things it's supposed to solve aren't issues on a proper full-size computer and instead, it only manages to introduce usability problems because it supposes (and thus imposes) restrictions that come from a completely different platform. Just because it can be skipped, worked around, or GÇö with large enough a chisel GÇö disabled doesn't make it any less misapplied. It's a wart that should never have existed to begin with because all it does is get in the way, which is pretty much the exact opposite of what a good UI should do.
I agree that smashing a desktop and tablet OS into one is poor design, and should not have been done by Microsoft, but the point of simply turning it off is so much easier than degrading to a less secure OS (XP). W8 has a lot of performance improvements over XP and even W7 as well, so the positives of sticking with W8 vastly outweigh the one negative - the 5 seconds it will take to disable metro. |

Marcus Caspius
134
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Posted - 2013.01.15 12:52:00 -
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Andski wrote:try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur
Not to be critical but Win 7 is probably your best bet. It stable and pretty well supported. No reason to not go there.
There are a couple of paradigm shifts from XP but if you can understand EvE you'll get the hang of Win 7 in no time.
Hope this helps matey & good luck! 07 Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
357
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Posted - 2013.01.15 12:53:00 -
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Hans Hoff wrote:Andski wrote:try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur I own a copy of windows XP and after windows 8 I will be F****ked if I give Bill Gates one more cent. I checked out the net for alternative os BUT MOST SEEM TO BE STILL IN THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE.. Until about an hour ago I was running 4 accounts on an old comp using XP. It has got a loose connection somewhere and I have left it running since early December.. The power cut about an hour ago has made me decide to drag this comp out of its box and fire it up. I would appreciate information how to uninstall windows 8 a replace it with XP. Although opinions are interesting they are not really helpful. Graphics is not an issue. Single players have time to star gaze and look at all the fireworks. Multiplayers tend to study overviews and textual screens. Ship graphics are something that one can study on a 100au+ warp but are not , absolutely not, necessary. XP does the job ans so that's what I want.. DO. NOT. GO. BACK. TO. XP.
Windows XP is my all-time favorite version, but for the love of god don't use it. It's old, discontinued, and has no support for it anymore. Think the security holes in windows now is bad? Multiply it by 10 with XP.
Classic Shell owns. I loved the XP version of windows explorer and I wish they'd revert back to that version of it. Follow me on twitter |

Elvis Fett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
187
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Posted - 2013.01.15 13:40:00 -
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You are aware the statement that you make by not buying MS products is not a very loud one. Microsoft is not going anywhere, and Mr. Gates will not notice the loss of business. The only person that is adversely affected is you, by being inconvenienced by having to find an alternative to modern windows. But I am not judging, hey I refuse to shop at Walmart they could be giving **** away, so I feel ya about making a statement with your money. I just want you to be aware how silly you are being as I am aware how silly I am being when I do it.
Now if you insist on being ridiculous and not using win 8 or purchasing win 7, why not just use Linux? Even though CCP doesn't necessarily support it people do play EVE on linux. I have a corpie that plays EVE on linux. Last night he was telling us how he is "currently running 3 clients on wine". I am not sure if wine is a Linux distro, a program that emulates windows for gaming, or if he was just drinking a nice glass of Chardonnay but I do know he was running 3 instances of EVE on linux.
Plus for anything not gaming related Linux is thetits. Soon steam will have Linux support as well. |

Kopfy
31
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Posted - 2013.01.15 13:49:00 -
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Ok, you see, when booting up, precisely after the first screen of text, you press del or f10 to get into the BIOS (the two I've encountered). Then you set your first boot device to CDROM or similar if you are going to install from a disk.
Then you install Linux Mint. Install Wine and playonlinux through Synaptics. Open playonlinux and select EVE and... Oh you're talking about windows? Never mind then. >.> |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1053
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Posted - 2013.01.15 13:58:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:Hans Hoff wrote:Andski wrote:try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur I own a copy of windows XP and after windows 8 I will be F****ked if I give Bill Gates one more cent. I checked out the net for alternative os BUT MOST SEEM TO BE STILL IN THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE.. Until about an hour ago I was running 4 accounts on an old comp using XP. It has got a loose connection somewhere and I have left it running since early December.. The power cut about an hour ago has made me decide to drag this comp out of its box and fire it up. I would appreciate information how to uninstall windows 8 a replace it with XP. Although opinions are interesting they are not really helpful. Graphics is not an issue. Single players have time to star gaze and look at all the fireworks. Multiplayers tend to study overviews and textual screens. Ship graphics are something that one can study on a 100au+ warp but are not , absolutely not, necessary. XP does the job ans so that's what I want.. DO. NOT. GO. BACK. TO. XP. Windows XP is my all-time favorite version, but for the love of god don't use it. It's old, discontinued, and has no support for it anymore. Think the security holes in windows now is bad? Multiply it by 10 with XP. Classic Shell owns. I loved the XP version of windows explorer and I wish they'd revert back to that version of it.
Doesn't Classic Shell come with Classic Explorer too? (I've not used it though)
Oh, and for everyone still on XP because they don't want to pay for 7? Look at the offer for Windows 8 pro. It's a pretty good one. -ú25 or so. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |

KaarBaak
246
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Posted - 2013.01.15 14:00:00 -
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Kopfy wrote:Ok, you see, when booting up, precisely after the first screen of text, you press del or f10 to get into the BIOS (the two I've encountered). Then you set your first boot device to CDROM or similar if you are going to install from a disk.
Then you install Linux Mint. Install Wine and playonlinux through Synaptics. Open playonlinux and select EVE and... Oh you're talking about windows? Never mind then. >.>
See? There you go. MUCH easier than using the perfectly functional OS that came per-loaded and pre-configured on your PC.
Seriously, if the OP is incapable of removing a partition and installing a different OS, I think sending him/her down the Linux/WINE road is fraught with pain and anxiety.
He/she has been given explicit instruction how to do it and plenty of advice not to do it. At this point, any further response from in has to be trolling.
He/she should go with the last thing stated: take the PC to a computer store and let someone who knows what they're doing take care of it.
KB |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
1194
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Posted - 2013.01.15 14:06:00 -
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Welcome to the wonderful world of UEFI. Microsoft now owns your machine. |

Kopfy
31
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Posted - 2013.01.15 14:07:00 -
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KaarBaak wrote:Kopfy wrote:Ok, you see, when booting up, precisely after the first screen of text, you press del or f10 to get into the BIOS (the two I've encountered). Then you set your first boot device to CDROM or similar if you are going to install from a disk.
Then you install Linux Mint. Install Wine and playonlinux through Synaptics. Open playonlinux and select EVE and... Oh you're talking about windows? Never mind then. >.> See? There you go. MUCH easier than using the perfectly functional OS that came per-loaded and pre-configured on your PC. Seriously, if the OP is incapable of removing a partition and installing a different OS, I think sending him/her down the Linux/WINE road is fraught with pain and anxiety. He/she has been given explicit instruction how to do it and plenty of advice not to do it. At this point, any further response from in has to be trolling. He/she should go with the last thing stated: take the PC to a computer store and let someone who knows what they're doing take care of it. KB
It works perfectly! The updater works never failing, the game starts and runs flawless! And... ok maybe not flawless the CQ crashes the client, but who needs that anyway? and EVE voice... last time I tried it... TS3 is better and recommended.
But it works!  |

Implying Implications
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
292
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Posted - 2013.01.15 14:09:00 -
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Get a Mac. It just works. püåpüÉpüàn+P |

dexington
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
539
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Posted - 2013.01.15 14:10:00 -
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Hans Hoff wrote: ... XP does the job ans so that's what I want..
lol GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |

Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
93
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Posted - 2013.01.15 14:19:00 -
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Timely article related to this subject :
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/01/help-ive-got-windows-8-and-i-miss-my-start-menu/ I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service. |

Gerald Taric
102
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Posted - 2013.01.15 14:21:00 -
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Tarvos Telesto wrote:This "stupid" old system is most succesful stable and best microsoft os system in thier entire history, i know people need adapt to new things, but come on XP was awesome and meny players still use it, exept new generation whith focusend on consumption and people who spent a lot money every month to get new brand cell phone with new icon on better lcd scren, or just to get 2fps more. As you wrote: It was a good Windows Version, indeed, but lacks some security improvements, which have been done in the meantime in order to adapt to new threats. Additionally to that: In round about one year XP-Users will very likely running into trouble with their outdated OS. That will be a slaughter feast for malware programmers: No new drivers, no patches, new programs not supporting XP anymore... Yes, it's right: XP might indeed do it's job ... for now, ... but only for another ~ 16 months.
I seriously suggest, as some others here too: Do not install XP again, if you do not want to make all that work again next year. Get a legit copy of Win7 as long as they are still sold (if you really dislike Win 8).
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Tarak Muritar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:48:00 -
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Um, Win8 has desktop mode which is basically same as Win7 but faster.... |

Leetha Layne
53
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:53:00 -
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Tarak Muritar wrote:Um, Win8 has desktop mode which is basically same as Win7 but faster....
Windows 8 is faster on a desktop than Windows 7. Period. |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1054
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:54:00 -
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Tarak Muritar wrote:Um, Win8 has desktop mode which is basically same as Win7 but faster....
Shhh. You'll confuse people. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |

Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
119
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:57:00 -
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Braxus Deninard wrote:Is this a joke? Windows 8 has the exact same interface as Windows 7 (desktop environment etc, the only change is the lack of the start button, big whoop!), you can turn off the "metro" touch interface with one click, and then you can stop it from ever appearing again.
There is no logical reason to downgrade, W8 has some nice speed improvements over W7 as well.
Windows 8 blows hard. The menus are all in weird places, the interaction sucks, its full of all kinds of suck. I'm not sure what they were aiming for on windows 8, but like all windows operating systems you skip one generation before buying the next windows 98 - skip windows ME - XP - skip vista - Windows 7 - skip 8 - next generation.
Anyway for the OP.
Most likely the hardware in your new computer is not compatibile with the drivers on your XP disk. Unfortunately unless you are going to build an old school machine (and by this I mean a MOBO that is XP compat and a standard SATA HDD) your most likely SOL with installing XP on a new machine. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12620
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:59:00 -
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Toshiroma McDiesel wrote: GǪwhich only really serves to highlight how there is no way to properly disable this horrible misfeature until MS themselves accept that it was slightly less competent an idea than MS Bob and either strips it out or provides it as an optional layer on top of a proper desktop UI. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
325
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Posted - 2013.01.15 16:07:00 -
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Implying Implications wrote:Get a Mac. It just works.
And pay twice as much for an inferior product performance wise. Smart. Very smart.  ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
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