See? There you go. MUCH easier than using the perfectly functional OS that came per-loaded and pre-configured on your PC.

Seriously, if the OP is incapable of removing a partition and installing a different OS, I think sending him/her down the Linux/WINE road is fraught with pain and anxiety.

He/she has been given explicit instruction how to do it and plenty of advice not to do it. At this point, any further response from in has to be trolling.

He/she should go with the last thing stated: take the PC to a computer store and let someone who knows what they're doing take care of it.

KB

Is this a joke? Windows 8 has the exact same interface as Windows 7 (desktop environment etc, the only change is the lack of the start button, big whoop!), you can turn off the "metro" touch interface with one click, and then you can stop it from ever appearing again.

There is no logical reason to downgrade, W8 has some nice speed improvements over W7 as well.

Agreed. I noticed a slight speed improvement when upgrading. The metro screen is easily disabled.

Agreed. I noticed a slight speed improvement when upgrading. The metro screen is easily disabled.

Hi Guys.
I just bought a new comp with widows 8 on it. This may be great for people who are into touch screen monitors and Ti Chi but it's not for me.
I put in my tried and true XP disk but I cant get the boot to get it running.
EvE attracts people of over average intelligence therefore I posted on here because I'm sure that one of you guys will be able to give me the information I need to ditch the chit and get back to XP.
Thanks in advance for any help and suggestions.
Regards Dave

Tippia: disabled = I don't see the Metro interface ever.

Windows 8 blows hard. The menus are all in weird places, the interaction sucks, its full of all kinds of suck. I'm not sure what they were aiming for on windows 8, but like all windows operating systems you skip one generation before buying the next windows 98 - skip windows ME - XP - skip vista - Windows 7 - skip 8 - next generation.

Yeah, no. There is no way to do that since No-onger-Metro is too deeply ingrained in Win8. You can kind of keep the start screen at bay, but the rest of Metro is unavoidable since many core components only exist as metro implementations, and the move in that direction will only continue. You can't disable the metro framework without disabling Win8 entirely. So you're constantly seeing the Metro interface with its ****-poor discoverability and near-complete lack of integration with standard desktop inputs (with the former being a direct consequence of the latter), but you're confusing Metro with the Start Screen. The Start Screen is just the most blatant and in-your-face flaw of the framework.

The fundamental flaw of Win8 is that it tries to make two completely separate environments exist side-by-side by making one a subset of the otherGǪ except it's in the wrong order: desktop is a metro app, rather than the oher way around. Granted, none of this comes as a surprise as MS is desperate to get people accustomed to Metro GÇö even if it means cramming it down people's throats GÇö so they will stand a chance to gain the familiarity and traction of iOS, but that still doesn't make it any less ill-suited for a desktop environment.

You can't disable the metro framework without disabling Win8 entirely.

I can not agree on this, maybe I'm misunderstanding the point you're trying to make but I have no problem at all with Win8 features/stuff/my usual work programs and games (except Eve)

What is exactly that doesn't run at all or badly when you disable the Metro interface?

My point is that all the Metro stuff in Win8 has no place in the OS. It's only there to habituate users to the UI so MS can try to push more mobile appliances, rather than to improve the user interaction and usability of the OS GÇö in fact, in rather does the exact opposite.

Metro goes far beyond just the Start Screen and Metro as a whole cannot be disabled without losing critical core services in the process. Unfortunately, all of these services are primarily designed for a (multi)touch experience on limited real-estate, where there are already a couple of conventions that are tied directly to that kind of input. In the transition to a desktop environment, those conventions are no longer applicable and many of the improvements that make the mobile implementations more discoverable have actually been lost in the process (that last bit is particularly silly: not only did they make a mobile-OS port a core part of the desktop UI, the port was incomplete so the visual language actually becomes inconsistent between the two).

None of the assumptions that drive this UI are true for a desktop, and yet they've decided to make the desktop environment a special case of the mobile one, thus retaining those mobile roots, rather than do it the other way around the way OSX has been receiving back-ported features from iOS over the last couple of releases. They chose to retain the desktop foundations and added (easily ignored) functionality that emulated the mobile experience as an optional layer on top of the standard desktop environment. The end result of this ass-backwards approach is a fundamentally schizophrenic desktop OS that is pretty much totally unsuited for its environment with no way of rectifying those problems since they're hard-coded and only available as Metro interfaces.

Worse, the stated goal is to Metro:ify everything on the platform, even though that would ruin and irreversibly remove every bit of functionality that made window-based desktop computing such a massive hitGǪ

Windows 8, should you actually be able to hack out all of MetroGǪ which you can't.
You can't get rid of Metro any more than you could get rid of GDI in XP.

I believe the main point is that even though the Metro interface may not be ideal, he would be far better served to learn how to use it (with perhaps certain parts disabled to make that process easier) than to take on the many inevitable (and potentially insurmountable) drawbacks he will face trying to load XP on his new machine.

There WILL be serious issues getting this machine to operate correctly with XP, if it will even accept it at all. Less immediate but potentially more serious in the long run will be the lack of support for XP and it's many security flaws.

in their quest to beat Apple

try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur

Windows 8, should you actually be able to hack out all of MetroGǪ which you can't.
You can't get rid of Metro any more than you could get rid of GDI in XP.

Dude agree with you, me to got XP and long time ago i was able to run 4x eve client very smooth, i can even play skyrim on full details and crysis 2 on it with full details, these days I pod generation dislike xp users ;) Long live XP! ;D i wont buy new os for few titles like battlefied 3, crysic 3, or new hitman, maybe in future;p

I got windows 7 on modern laptop but my main computer is based on xp which is 4 years old ;D still use it as main computer to run EvE and other games.

You guys know, that XP will not be aupported anymore? It will not get any security updates at all?

It's funny, when ppl complain about a simple change in the UI (the start screen works like the start button in Win7 but has more features)... but to go back to that old stupid system instead of Windows 7... seems to be a grandpa who can't adapt to anything new, lol :D

vista, 7, and 8 are the same OS.

The guy WANTS to install XP and is asking for help to get it done but 90% of the responses are just to make fun of him and tell him he really wants something else. Frankly his only mistake is asking here for help except for the few who actually tried to help him...

Well, if the computers BIOS does now allow to boot from other sources than from hard drive by hitting F8, then it's very likely being diabled in BIOS settings.

I own a copy of windows XP and after windows 8 I will be F****ked if I give Bill Gates one more cent.

Everyone is saying Windows 7 is the best option, but you don't want to pay for it.

There is another option.

Oh goes! The start menu changed. The sky is falling, this is the end of the world!

You know I agree that it is less useful on touch devices but stop acting like a moron. There are good feature enhancements and perf improvements in win8. Just install one of the free or cheap 3rd party programs that restore the start menu

This "stupid" old system is most succesful stable and best microsoft os system in thier entire history, i know people need adapt to new things, but come on XP was awesome and meny players still use it, exept new generation whith focusend on consumption and people who spent a lot money every month to get new brand cell phone with new icon on better lcd scren, or just to get 2fps more.