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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
17
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Posted - 2013.01.15 13:59:00 -
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Thought this would be something new to try. I've done FW, pvp, missions, arcs, ganks, pirating, null sec, etc. (even mining)
OK. I've read all the rules and requirements to actually do the orbital bombardments. I enlist my corp into FW again. Next day I grab a Cormy, and head to Marthia. Marthia wasn't that far away. There's about 80 mercs in local. I find that Marthia V is a temperate planet, so I head there. I saw that Marthia V has 11 districts that show up, and I warp to each one. No flashes of light on the surface, so I talk to the local Mercs. They said that they not in any corp battles, there the only ones there. One said he didn't know even when he would ever need a strike, and if he did it would be a long time.
So, right now I've got a clone sitting there at Marthia, I'll check back once in a while on the dusters progress, and in the mean time I may head to another system.
Disappointment--Welcome to EVE. (I really wasn't surprised.)
Anyone else?
-Kirst |
Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc Zero Hour Alliance
131
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Posted - 2013.01.15 14:22:00 -
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Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
1538
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Posted - 2013.01.15 14:29:00 -
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Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week.
This man sums it up pretty well.
Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning. Game Designer | Team True Grit |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
349
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Posted - 2013.01.15 14:55:00 -
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There is a whole galaxy of pilots that want to troll-strafe a planet - any planet. I say let them... But give the planetary NPCs highly effective surface-to-space weapons. And lots of 'em.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1425
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:41:00 -
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whats missing (at a minimum) to make dust relevant for FW 1) clean UI to see what districts/planets are owned by whom (planet -> show info would be a start) 2) eve -> dust merc contracts (or similar mechanics like ihub ISK/lp pools) to communicate what systems are relevant
2) automatically solves the problem "where can i bombard?"
otherwise i fear it will just be perceived as random parameter of the contesting mechanic. a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
18
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:53:00 -
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Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week.
Thanks Liner.
However, why does EVE list Marthia as one of the places that orbital bombardment can take place at?
-Kirst |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
420
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:55:00 -
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Ion Kirst wrote:
However, why does EVE list Marthia as one of the places that orbital bombardment can take place at?
-Kirst
This is actually one of the home systems for Dust mercs. Essentially were they are docked. wumbo |
Feer Truelight
83
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Posted - 2013.01.15 16:58:00 -
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Came in to read potential misconception of orbital bombment. Left satisfied. Killed by Brothel: http://i.imgur.com/WyR1x.png BC skill changes coming this summer: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2442879#post2442879 |
Usagi Toshiro
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.01.15 17:01:00 -
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DUST is still in Open Beta, to go live in a week or so. This will open the game beyond current EVE players who also have a PS3. Hopefully once it is live on the PSN, the number of mercs will increase and in a month or so the need for orbital strikes will be increases and more common.
*Obligatory "Bring the rain" comment goes here.* |
Prootje
LazyBoyz Band of Recreational Flyers Intrepid Crossing
1
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Posted - 2013.01.15 17:06:00 -
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Usagi Toshiro wrote:DUST is still in Open Beta, to go live in a week or so. This will open the game beyond current EVE players who also have a PS3. Hopefully once it is live on the PSN, the number of mercs will increase and in a month or so the need for orbital strikes will be increases and more common. *Obligatory "Bring the rain" comment goes here.*
small correction; it's still in Closed Beta, going into Open Beta on the 22nd |
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RomeStar
Astra Research
112
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Posted - 2013.01.15 17:16:00 -
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Dust will be dead by this time next year and I will quote this post once it happens to prove it. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Wacktopia
Noir. Black Legion.
419
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Posted - 2013.01.15 17:21:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning.
Sounds like a good system to me. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
188
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Posted - 2013.01.15 17:27:00 -
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So, at some point in a future iteration of "Orbital Bombardment", may we hope that it will extend to allowing people to hit other people's Planetary Interaction on various planets by the use of war decs ?
I applaud buffing Faction Warfare with Orbital Bombardment at this point, it's a good way to limit the application at this early point in it's development ... BUT... that seems very limiting in the long run.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
954
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Posted - 2013.01.15 17:58:00 -
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So DUST is a super HI-sec expansion in FW-lowsec,you have to have approval to shoot at planets.
R.S.I2014
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
352
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:03:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:So, at some point in a future iteration of "Orbital Bombardment", may we hope that it will extend to allowing people to hit other people's Planetary Interaction on various planets by the use of war decs ? Would love to annihilate some legacy PI installations that are doing nothing - except blocking others' access to the resource. Not my personal sites, but for some of my corpies.
Quote:I applaud buffing Faction Warfare with Orbital Bombardment at this point, it's a good way to limit the application at this early point in it's development ... BUT... that seems very limiting in the long run. Early days yet. Let Dust learn to stand before you demand it walk, let it walk before you demand it run. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
954
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:10:00 -
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silens vesica wrote: Early days yet. Let Dust learn to stand before you demand it walk, let it walk before you demand it run.
Good luck with that . The same thing was said about WIS ,at least we have a sofa to sit on. the only real interaction in the cell i hope there is a sofa anywhere on some High sec minded low sec FW planet
R.S.I2014
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
199
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:10:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning.
Awwwwww...you mean I don't get to sit in orbit and pulverize the planet below?!?!?!?!
CCP FoxFour, you disappoint me.
*sad face* I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Thgil Goldcore
Advenus Classem
495
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:13:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Dust will be dead by this time next year and I will quote this post once it happens to prove it.
Glad you take delight in the prospect watching peoples jobs vanish and many millions of dollars go down the drain. If a game like dust where to fail that's exactly what will happen. I don't think CCP bet the farm on it, but it would mean for some lean years if it does flop.
I hope that dust does very well. It can only mean good things for eve and beyond. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
1547
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:16:00 -
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DUST would be more interesting if you had 5 Capsuleers in orbit of every planet randomly bombarding the surface for no apparent reason.... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
352
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:24:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:silens vesica wrote: Early days yet. Let Dust learn to stand before you demand it walk, let it walk before you demand it run.
Good luck with that . The same thing was said about WIS ,at least we have a sofa to sit on. the only real interaction in the cell i hope there is a sofa anywhere on some High sec minded low sec FW planet The sofa is still a sofa, and a pointless one at that - I can't even take a nap on it. I'm not a console or FPS player, but at the very least Dust has actual live bodies playing, albeit very few.
We'll see - I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt for now. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
955
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:32:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:silens vesica wrote: Early days yet. Let Dust learn to stand before you demand it walk, let it walk before you demand it run.
Good luck with that . The same thing was said about WIS ,at least we have a sofa to sit on. the only real interaction in the cell i hope there is a sofa anywhere on some High sec minded low sec FW planet The sofa is still a sofa, and a pointless one at that - I can't even take a nap on it. I'm not a console or FPS player, but at the very least Dust has actual live bodies playing, albeit very few. We'll see - I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt for now.
Well those live bodies should be in both games not only in DUSTcrap CCP want interaction ,then give interaction and not a cross hair on a planet only for EvE R.S.I2014
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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
21
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:42:00 -
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Here's the link for "Orbital Bombardment Mechanics":
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE-DUST_514_Link_FAQ
I believe I followed every step. If there's more to it, then maybe it should say so. It doesn't differentiate which systems can only have battles. If the mercs at Marthia will never be able to participate then Marthia should be removed. It is misleading.
-Kirst |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1141
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:57:00 -
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CCP, could you PLEASE put EVE NPCs in DUST and give them Tanks (like a Dread Guristas M1A1) and such and let us shoot them from orbit for bounties.
You guys at ccp always say you want NPCs to act more like real players, what's more real EVE player-like than some Serpentis saying "screw spaceships, ima go play Tanks for a while"? But this way those us still in space ships can shoot them! |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
147
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:59:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:So, at some point in a future iteration of "Orbital Bombardment", Bahahahah! You must be new around here. "future iteration" doesn't happen in Eve. The CCP way is to produce some new shiney video, pre-nerf the implementation to point of absurdity, release it, then NEVER come back to it. Ever.
MDD |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
188
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Posted - 2013.01.15 19:00:00 -
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silens vesica wrote: Early days yet. Let Dust learn to stand before you demand it walk, let it walk before you demand it run.
Dude, I appreciate the new-car smell this whole "DUST" experiment oozes... really, I do.
But I'm an EVE player... ultimately, I don't give a rats ass about DUST.
I'm happy that FW is being used for DUST to take it's "baby steps". Fair enough, it had to happen somewhere. At least the FW guys are getting some mileage out of it.
BUT... the sooner that great features like "Orbital Bombardment" have more autonomy from DUST, then the better.
Carry on, crack a cold brew, and drop those nukes !
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Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc Zero Hour Alliance
142
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Posted - 2013.01.15 20:37:00 -
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Ion Kirst wrote:Here's the link for "Orbital Bombardment Mechanics": http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE-DUST_514_Link_FAQI believe I followed every step. If there's more to it, then maybe it should say so. It doesn't differentiate which systems can only have battles. If the mercs at Marthia will never be able to participate then Marthia should be removed. It is misleading. -Kirst
I'll grant you that the Dust-EVE Link FAQ doesn't communicate very well what Dust does to EVE and how it all boils down; and I do hope they'll get down to writing a better version before the open beta hits.
Even the fact that there is a FAQ isn't communicated properly. - Nullarbors Devblog "Dust 514 enters the EVE universe" doesn't mention it - First page on the comments of said devblog doesn't mention it. - EVE Forums-Dust 514 board doesn't have it stickied to the top - EVE Forums-General Discussion doesn't have it stickied to the top.
Maybe CCP/ISD can help out here.
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Wacktopia
Noir. Black Legion.
419
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Posted - 2013.01.15 20:50:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:So, at some point in a future iteration of "Orbital Bombardment", may we hope that it will extend to allowing people to hit other people's Planetary Interaction on various planets by the use of war decs ? I applaud buffing Faction Warfare with Orbital Bombardment at this point, it's a good way to limit the application at this early point in it's development ... BUT... that seems very limiting in the long run.
True. I'm sure they'll expand on it. Just if they start small and work up it reduces the risk that the existing and strong EVE player base decimates Dust before it gets wings. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1476
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Posted - 2013.01.15 20:55:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:So, at some point in a future iteration of "Orbital Bombardment", may we hope that it will extend to allowing people to hit other people's Planetary Interaction on various planets by the use of war decs ? I applaud buffing Faction Warfare with Orbital Bombardment at this point, it's a good way to limit the application at this early point in it's development ... BUT... that seems very limiting in the long run. There is currently no connection between dust and null sec. They've openly said they haven't actually got that far yet. I think the null stuff is to come after Dust goes live. In the meantime they're focusing on FW as the primary connection, as it's the more "structured" PvP content of EVE.
I expect that, eventually, you'll be able to use orbital strikes against corporate war targets, and districts will have a significant meaning as it pertains to null; which is were I think those corpoarte war targets will be confined too.
I think that high sec will end up structured in the same way the FW is. Corps will have to schedule things in high sec first. I expect null to be the place were things open up and become more "free".
Total speculation in case anyone couldn't figure it out. |
ZionShad
51
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Posted - 2013.01.15 20:57:00 -
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We will be looking for a lot of OB support this Sat in Gallente /Caldari FW at 11am PST. Please join "Dust OB" chat in game and will give you the planet, districts and times of battles Zion TCD CEO ( ZionTCD.enjin.com ) Co-Host "Podside" Podcast on iTunes DUST 514 Beta Tester -á |
RomeStar
Astra Research
116
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Posted - 2013.01.15 21:37:00 -
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The only Orbital Bombardment I will see is when I sit on the toilet which is where Dust belongs right next to WIS. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
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Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
60
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Posted - 2013.01.15 22:32:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:The only Orbital Bombardment I will see is when I sit on the toilet which is where Dust belongs right next to WIS.
Someone is bitter about the prospect of dust being interconnected with eve. I'm actually finding it rather satisfying seeing him repeatedly trying to dismiss Dust as being the failure that WiS was. It's rather unfortuante then, for Rome, that not only are they nothing alike, but Dust is actually fun. Sorry bud, you're going to be stuck with it for years on end, but enjoy your time on the joilet, jerking off to WIS. |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
226
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Posted - 2013.01.15 23:02:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:The only Orbital Bombardment I will see is when I sit on the toilet which is where Dust belongs right next to WIS.
Congrats you just crossed the line from bittervet to vetbitter. |
ZionShad
52
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Posted - 2013.01.16 00:33:00 -
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FAQ on OB's LINK Zion TCD CEO ( ZionTCD.enjin.com ) Co-Host "Podside" Podcast on iTunes DUST 514 Beta Tester -á |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6581
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Posted - 2013.01.16 00:42:00 -
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The dust bunnies were having a picnic... y u bother them? "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Ckra Trald
Remnants of Retribution
48
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:07:00 -
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If it pointed out everytwhere "com 2 this planit pls and hover here" its just saying for people to afk cloak there, uncloak, kill OB barge, and just fill their killboard with random kills. communicate with some dust bunnies, be friendly, and they might ask you to tag along. If you fial, try again
If you flel, try again.
Try as much as you want, you'll still... faill? |
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
23
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:50:00 -
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Ion Kirst wrote:Here's the link for "Orbital Bombardment Mechanics": http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE-DUST_514_Link_FAQI believe I followed every step. If there's more to it, then maybe it should say so. It doesn't differentiate which systems can only have battles. If the mercs at Marthia will never be able to participate then Marthia should be removed. It is misleading. -Kirst
I started checking, and I believe that every system listed in the "bombardment steps" are all high sec systems. So because all these systems are in high sec (.5-.9), no bombardment can be done in the districts (at this time). For cryin' out loud!
What is the point? All this hype, that is my disappointment. I know it's all new, but is this working as intended? Will this too, as many of our semi-recent improvements to the game, like FW and Incursions, become only available to groups of people (corps), and not to individual players, as myself and many others. Oh, yeah, we still can do arcs and missions. CCP do you know how many individual players you have in this game? Not everything is centered on low sec, but it seems that's what you want. Geez, how 'bout something new for us individuals? Ya think you could throw us a bone or something? Or did you already give us one?
That's enough, you guys can take it from here.
-Kirst |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
587
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Posted - 2013.01.16 02:00:00 -
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When you want to form up a fleet to go roam, do you go to a trade hub and ask in local for people to join your lowsec PVP fleet?
No.
EVE is a social game, but it is social with people you know, not a game for random PUGs. If you want to participate in the Dust bombardment then that means you need to meet people who play it and work together with them. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3217
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Posted - 2013.01.16 02:07:00 -
[38] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning. Awwwwww...you mean I don't get to sit in orbit and pulverize the planet below?!?!?!?! CCP FoxFour, you disappoint me. *sad face* It's a nerf to space-planet force projection. Otherwise we'd have blobs making the dust people never deploy.
As it is, apparently people in space don't like to undock sometimes...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
24
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Posted - 2013.01.16 02:43:00 -
[39] - Quote
Kahega Amielden wrote:When you want to form up a fleet to go roam, do you go to a trade hub and ask in local for people to join your lowsec PVP fleet?
No.
EVE is a social game, but it is social with people you know, not a game for random PUGs. If you want to participate in the Dust bombardment, then you need to meet people who play it and work together with them.
You are correct, EVE (and Dust) is a social game. That doesn't work very well for all us random PUGs. When I belonged to the Inf1dels, I loved going on the roams and ganks. It was awesome in how they worked together. But I respectfully had to withdraw from them, I could not set aside the time away from RL to play a game. Same for the FWs, and Incursions. I can run a boring L4 mission every night, and that's about it. (besides wasting my time on these forums) . . . my comments are not delegated to you or anyone, they are only for CCP.) I really do love this game, and I do hate that I cannot play it the way I want to. I am not alone in those feelings. I would bet that there are many, many others who also feel the same way. (they are smarter than I, as they probably don't even bother with these forums.) I guess, that CCP feels that if they can get a person to join a group, and become "social", they will continue to subscribe. . . that they will belong to something greater than themselves, and that they will feel needed. So please, you do not have to preach to me that I need to be social, as if you're thinking you're enlightening me or something. (been there, done that.)
-Kirst
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Sab Sab Five
Purging Maelstrom Villore Accords
5
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Posted - 2013.01.16 02:50:00 -
[40] - Quote
what's gonna be nuts is when they open up WIS to the dust bunnies for folks who won't undock....
behind the locked door.... FPS FPS pew pew! |
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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.01.16 03:14:00 -
[41] - Quote
Kahega Amielden wrote:When you want to form up a fleet to go roam, do you go to a trade hub and ask in local for people to join your lowsec PVP fleet?
No.
EVE is a social game, but it is social with people you know, not a game for random PUGs. If you want to participate in the Dust bombardment, then you need to meet people who play it and work together with them. And how exactly are we supposed to get to know the Dust bunnies and get them to trust us, when the only interaction we can get when not yet trusted is talking in local? |
Fanatic Row
DED Drug Enforcement Department
12
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Posted - 2013.01.16 03:21:00 -
[42] - Quote
Ion Kirst wrote:I guess, that CCP feels that if they can get a person to join a group, and become "social", they will continue to subscribe. . . That is how you build retention in a Sandbox, yes.
PUG gameplay is more suited for Themeparks, which is why themeparks go F2P these days and allow players to super-spend their cash in those bursts they get to play, instead of having to justify their monthly cost; to a customer who hardly makes use of their service.
Ask yourself this, do you really love EVE and the activities you currenty do in it, or do you love the idea of how EVE could be for you, if you could play it in another way that your lifestyle would permit?
If it's the latter, and you like your current lifestyle; do yourself a favor and get out now.
If it's the former, accept that not all activities are going to suit your playstyle.
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Angeal MacNova
9th Fleet-Seraphins
79
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Posted - 2013.01.16 03:29:00 -
[43] - Quote
Well best of luck to CCP to produce another successful product. I hope Dust takes over as the best FPS game for console.
Why?
Because CCP can then shift their developmental attention to WoD and with two successful products for the income to develop it properly. |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
302
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Posted - 2013.01.16 12:51:00 -
[44] - Quote
Angeal MacNova wrote:Well best of luck to CCP to produce another successful product. I hope Dust takes over as the best FPS game for console.
Why?
Because CCP can then shift their developmental attention to WoD and with two successful products for the income to develop it properly.
Development attention should be at Eve as long as Eve exists. Don't share resources, I don't want to wait another 19-1 months for a POS overhaul. New inventory: Getting better since version 1.2, but what about back and forward buttons? |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
472
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:31:00 -
[45] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning.
Happy to see unbrained F1 pawns didn't got another buff. Should happen more often when you guys change/implement game mechanics. |
RomeStar
Astra Research
121
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:47:00 -
[46] - Quote
[quote=Arronicus] Dust is actually fun. [quote]
Ask yourself will it still be fun when all the console gamers get tired of yet another FPS and choose to go play COD 5000 and you are still sitting there all by your lonesome self shooting at nothing or constantly being sniped by some pimple faced teenager sitting in his parents basement.
Dont get me wrong I love the idea of integrating a planet game with EVE but I think they would have have better sucess if they had made it a strategy game similiar to Civilization and not a FPS and made it for the PC not some outdated console that will be extinct in a few years.
I have played dust and I actually enjoyed it but after 30 mins or so It became alittle mundane and this is coming from someone who loved COD and who played it constantly for hours on end. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
29
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:49:00 -
[47] - Quote
Fanatic Row wrote:Ion Kirst wrote:I guess, that CCP feels that if they can get a person to join a group, and become "social", they will continue to subscribe. . . Ask yourself this, do you really love EVE and the activities you currenty do in it, or do you love the idea of how EVE could be for you, if you could play it in another way that your lifestyle would permit? If it's the latter, and you like your current lifestyle; do yourself a favor and get out now.
Maybe you are right, all good things must come to an end. If lifestyle permitted, I definetely would play differently. I do love the idea of how EVE could be for me (and others), but everyone can't be pleased or have it there way.
Quit EVE? . . . . . . . . . but, but, but, I can't quit now. I invested a lot of effort, too much time, too many years . . . I, I, I can't. Give this all up?
I keep hoping, that maybe in the next expansion . . .
-Kirst |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
359
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:55:00 -
[48] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Well those live bodies should be in both games not only in DUSTcrap CCP want interaction ,then give interaction and not a cross hair on a planet only for EvE
Why?
I'm not going to go buy a console to play Dust. Why should FPS players be required to gear-up for EVE? Because *you* say so? What makes your position so superior to that of the people who, you know, actually design games for a living?
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
359
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:58:00 -
[49] - Quote
Felicity Love wrote: ...the sooner that great features like "Orbital Bombardment" have more autonomy from DUST, then the better. Carry on, crack a cold brew, and drop those nukes ! Fair enough. I don't disagree - But I'm willing to be patient. For a while, at least.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
322
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:15:00 -
[50] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:DUST would be more interesting if you had 5 Capsuleers in orbit of every planet randomly bombarding the surface for no apparent reason.... Why, that would constitute griefing the Dust Bunnies. I'm positive the EvE community would shun such a malicious activity. |
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Robert Warner
Nex Angelus. Unclaimed.
60
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Posted - 2013.01.16 15:25:00 -
[51] - Quote
Urgg Boolean wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:DUST would be more interesting if you had 5 Capsuleers in orbit of every planet randomly bombarding the surface for no apparent reason.... Why, that would constitute griefing the Dust Bunnies. I'm positive the EvE community would shun such a malicious activity.
For how long have you been part of the EvE community?
Fake-edit: Aha sarcasm, I should have guessed :P |
K1netic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.01.16 15:41:00 -
[52] - Quote
RomeStar wrote:Arronicus wrote: Dust is actually fun. Ask yourself will it still be fun when all the console gamers get tired of yet another FPS and choose to go play COD 5000 and you are still sitting there all by your lonesome self shooting at nothing or constantly being sniped by some pimple faced teenager sitting in his parents basement. Dont get me wrong I love the idea of integrating a planet game with EVE but I think they would have have better sucess if they had made it a strategy game similiar to Civilization and not a FPS and made it for the PC not some outdated console that will be extinct in a few years. I have played dust and I actually enjoyed it but after 30 mins or so It became alittle mundane and this is coming from someone who loved COD and who played it constantly for hours on end. COD 5000 isn't going to be free to play. That's a pretty big difference. Ever wonder why LOL is the most successful MOBA game when it looks pretty **** ? I'll give you a hint... because it's FREE.
Sure that's gets you allot of 15y olds but i don't really care what age they are when i nuke them from the skies. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3365
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Posted - 2013.01.16 16:17:00 -
[53] - Quote
[quote=RomeStar][quote=Arronicus] Dust is actually fun. Quote:
Ask yourself will it still be fun when all the console gamers get tired of yet another FPS and choose to go play COD 5000 and you are still sitting there all by your lonesome self shooting at nothing or constantly being sniped by some pimple faced teenager sitting in his parents basement.
Dont get me wrong I love the idea of integrating a planet game with EVE but I think they would have have better sucess if they had made it a strategy game similiar to Civilization and not a FPS and made it for the PC not some outdated console that will be extinct in a few years.
I have played dust and I actually enjoyed it but after 30 mins or so It became alittle mundane and this is coming from someone who loved COD and who played it constantly for hours on end.
Not only is COD not free to play as DUST is, but there is no continuity... nor are there regular updates to content as there will be in DUST. DUST will be updated and have regular expansions just like EvE does... for free. If you don't think the console FPS crowd won't be down for that, especially when their characters continually acquire more skills (even if another game takes their fancy for a week or two) then you don't understand how many adults play console now.
Keep in mind it really doesn't matter when the PS4 comes out, DUST will have a version that works on that as well. Remember, DUST is designed from the get go to run primarily on Tranquility... the box is just the delivery mechanism. That's why it can be expanded and updated so easily. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3365
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Posted - 2013.01.16 16:25:00 -
[54] - Quote
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Well best of luck to CCP to produce another successful product. I hope Dust takes over as the best FPS game for console.
Why?
Because CCP can then shift their developmental attention to WoD and with two successful products for the income to develop it properly. Development attention should be at Eve as long as Eve exists. Don't share resources, I don't want to wait another 19-1 months for a POS overhaul. EDIT: The development of Dust is giving me the creeps already. Some day there may be even systems in New Eden which are not compatible with others any more. Capsuleers playing in the past with old UIs and unable to leave their systems crying in agony for some dev attention to relieve them of their miserable fragmentation disease. Yes, all successful game companies should put all of their eggs in one basket... because you personally prefer that basket.
CCP would be stupid NOT to diversify, and there has been no lack of attention for EvE. Most of the staff devoted to DUST has never done development for EvE, and never will. The don't even work out of the same office, or country for that matter. They are console game specialists, not PC game specialists.
And frankly your EDIT is perhaps the most ludicrous pile of what if, fantasy rubbish I've seen anyone pull out of their butt in a long time. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3365
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Posted - 2013.01.16 16:33:00 -
[55] - Quote
Sal Landry wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:When you want to form up a fleet to go roam, do you go to a trade hub and ask in local for people to join your lowsec PVP fleet?
No.
EVE is a social game, but it is social with people you know, not a game for random PUGs. If you want to participate in the Dust bombardment, then you need to meet people who play it and work together with them. And how exactly are we supposed to get to know the Dust bunnies and get them to trust us, when the only interaction we can get when not yet trusted is talking in local? You can get to know them by chatting in the high sec "Home" systems (that's where their local chat stays, to avoid DUST being exploited for intel purpposes by EvE players).
You can get to know them in your own FW corp, as you will likely have DUST members joining that.
You can join the chat channels springing up specifically for the purpose of arranging Oribital Bombardments.
And in the last two examples you can easily speak with them on EvE voice just by being in that channel, as it is fully compatible with DUST in game voice chat.
You people need to stop thinking that because DUST players show up in a high sec systems local that they aren't using that as a jump off point to their combat area's in Low.
Personally, I hope that eventually they show up in local in the systems they are fighting in as well, perhaps for them the default local could be delayed or EvE players only show up after speaking... or simply says to heck with it and allow it as another intel tool for EvE players (it's not like we couldn't put an alt in that system easily anyway). To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3366
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Posted - 2013.01.16 16:37:00 -
[56] - Quote
MailDeadDrop wrote:Felicity Love wrote:So, at some point in a future iteration of "Orbital Bombardment", Bahahahah! You must be new around here. "future iteration" doesn't happen in Eve. The CCP way is to produce some new shiney video, pre-nerf the implementation to point of absurdity, release it, then NEVER come back to it. Ever. MDD Except, of course, for every expansion put out in the last year or two that has focused on nothing else. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1143
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Posted - 2013.01.16 16:45:00 -
[57] - Quote
Ion Kirst wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:When you want to form up a fleet to go roam, do you go to a trade hub and ask in local for people to join your lowsec PVP fleet?
No.
EVE is a social game, but it is social with people you know, not a game for random PUGs. If you want to participate in the Dust bombardment, then you need to meet people who play it and work together with them. You are correct, EVE (and Dust) is a social game. That doesn't work very well for all us random PUGs. When I belonged to the Inf1dels, I loved going on the roams and ganks. It was awesome in how they worked together. But I respectfully had to withdraw from them, I could not set aside the time away from RL to play a game. Same for the FWs, and Incursions. I can run a boring L4 mission every night, and that's about it. (besides wasting my time on these forums) . . . my comments are not delegated to you or anyone, they are only for CCP.) I really do love this game, and I do hate that I cannot play it the way I want to. I am not alone in those feelings. I would bet that there are many, many others who also feel the same way. (they are smarter than I, as they probably don't even bother with these forums.) I guess, that CCP feels that if they can get a person to join a group, and become "social", they will continue to subscribe. . . that they will belong to something greater than themselves, and that they will feel needed. That is not the case for us PUGs, I guess I'm anti-social, and going on 5 yrs, it's how I want to play, so because of that I realize there are some things I cannot do, so again there's the disappointment in EVE. So please, you do not have to preach to me that I need to be social, as if you're thinking you're enlightening me or something. (been there, done that.) -Kirst
This is where I get to say "EVE might not be for you".
You have time constraints, and that's ok. But the game should not revolve around you because YOU have time constraints, and yet so many of you anti-social "solo" players keep asking for just that.
I love (American) Football, I don't have time to put on a full set of pads and play a full almost 3 hour game of it at a stadium everynight, I don't go running to the NFL or NCAA saying "you need to change the rules of football so i can play it in the 5 minutes I have available".
OB works just fine as it is, it's you who are doing it wrong.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1145
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Posted - 2013.01.16 16:48:00 -
[58] - Quote
Fanatic Row wrote:Ion Kirst wrote:I guess, that CCP feels that if they can get a person to join a group, and become "social", they will continue to subscribe. . . That is how you build retention in a Sandbox, yes. PUG gameplay is more suited for Themeparks, which is why themeparks go F2P these days and allow players to super-spend their cash in those bursts they get to play, instead of having to justify their monthly cost; to a customer who hardly makes use of their service. Ask yourself this, do you really love EVE and the activities you currenty do in it, or do you love the idea of how EVE could be for you, if you could play it in another way that your lifestyle would permit? If it's the latter, and you like your current lifestyle; do yourself a favor and get out now. If it's the former, accept that not all activities are going to suit your playstyle.
If I were CCP I would sticky this post not only to the top of these forums, I would make it a pop up you had to read every time you logged in :).
Seriously Fanatic, well said. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1826
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Posted - 2013.01.16 19:16:00 -
[59] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:So DUST is a super HI-sec expansion in FW-lowsec,you have to have approval to shoot at planets.
So how would you feel, if someone activates their "mega death ray" out of nowhere, not even in grid, not even in the same system with you, while you're battling some gang or doing missions or incursions or whatever and cause your ship and everything around you to suddenly explode? Playing Eve 100% Risk Free! |
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
722
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Posted - 2013.01.16 19:40:00 -
[60] - Quote
Dude go play dust if you want enjoy OB, i dont know why so meny people focus on this console aspect and fall into whis rumor, espetaly OB its marginal in EvE that can be initiate by few people one time per day or somthing like this.. Come on, this is EvE. EvE isn't game, its style of living. |
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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
34
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:04:00 -
[61] - Quote
OK guys, enough. You donGÇÖt know what the frack you talking about in your cuts at me. You make assumptions (know what they say about that).
I do not want EVE to cater to me. I never said that, that is your (ahem) entitled opinion. I would love to have the time to be in null sec with the Inf1deles. I want to have the time to take part in Incursion fleets. I would love to spend hours and hours playing EVE, and I am envious of those who can. So I do missions, and just tried OB.
GÇ£Hardly makes use of servicesGÇ¥ . . . dude you have no idea of what I have done over the last 5 years. Over that time, I have spent 2-3 hours every night (probably about 95%) of the time playing EVE.
I accept the fact that all activities (in EVE) are not suited for my play style. I can be disappointed, but I am still here. But the disappointment is not with the EVE game itself. The disappointment is in what I mentioned before, like trying to follow the mechanics of OB in there admitted vague steps. And what does posting on the forum do, blows things out of proportion as usual.
Jen, the game does not revolve around me. I never said that. I donGÇÖt want EVE to revolve around me. Where did you get that, or did you pull that out of your *ss. You assume what you perceive, which isnGÇÖt based on fact. DonGÇÖt read words into what I wrote. Oh, and your football example was just plain stupid.
Oh, baby, I would love to have this post stickie.
Could we get back to the OP, or is this where it digressed too. Maybe just lock this, as what more can really be said.
-Kirst |
Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
71
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Posted - 2013.01.17 00:02:00 -
[62] - Quote
Suicide ganking planets in hisec.
The biggest loot pinadas ever! Who knows what will 'drop out'!!!
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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
962
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Posted - 2013.01.17 05:53:00 -
[63] - Quote
Sarah Schneider wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:So DUST is a super HI-sec expansion in FW-lowsec,you have to have approval to shoot at planets.
So how would you feel, if someone activates their "mega death ray" out of nowhere, not even in grid, not even in the same system with you, while you're battling some gang or doing missions or incursions or whatever and cause your ship and everything around you to suddenly explode?
how would you feel ,if you have to ask the asteroid to shoot the miner.
can say stupid things also ,you know. ooow wiat,......i always do R.S.I2014
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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
964
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:29:00 -
[64] - Quote
So we don,t ask permissions in EvE ,but we have to when Console kids come into picture? So Dust is the best thing happening to EvE,right? R.S.I2014
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Kristopher Rocancourt
Quality Assurance
26
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:49:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning.
which makes it as lame as we all expected it to be. "May we have permission to nuke the hell out of you from space?" "no im not telling you where we are..." "oh ok then... guess i will go back to being a carebear in the padded cell they call high sec..." |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
967
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:13:00 -
[66] - Quote
Kristopher Rocancourt wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning. which makes it as lame as we all expected it to be. "May we have permission to nuke the hell out of you from space?" "no im not telling you where we are..." "oh ok then... guess i will go back to being a carebear in the padded cell they call high sec..."
You still have the chance to shoot at planets,must count for something
i wonder ,will you get concorded ,if you could shoot at a planet without approval
R.S.I2014
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
379
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:31:00 -
[67] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
i wonder ,will you get concorded ,if you could shoot at a planet without approval
Seems like a reasonably appropriate reaction. After all, no one asked to be blown up, therefore probably an outlaw action: Concordokken!
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
538
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:39:00 -
[68] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning. Awwwwww...you mean I don't get to sit in orbit and pulverize the planet below?!?!?!?! CCP FoxFour, you disappoint me. *sad face*
Compared to the power output of even a small planet, an Erebus produces practically 0 power. Applying thats planets power output to high energy x-ray lasers ... even a titan pilot should think twice about making that bombardment approach run, into the firing range of said defences.
I say give the Dust Bunnies weapons that can 1-2 shot ANY non-allied ship in orbit. Give them SoonGäó |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
380
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:53:00 -
[69] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:
I say give the Dust Bunnies weapons that can 1-2 shot ANY non-allied ship in orbit. Give them SoonGäó
Should this come to pass, I predict a new Dusty Bunny joke:
"What do you call a dessy in low orbit?" "Skeet."
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1168
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:58:00 -
[70] - Quote
Ion Kirst wrote:
Jen, the game does not revolve around me. I never said that. I donGÇÖt want EVE to revolve around me. Where did you get that, or did you pull that out of your *ss. You assume what you perceive, which isnGÇÖt based on fact. DonGÇÖt read words into what I wrote. Oh, and your football example was just plain stupid.[
Dude,you owe me a keyboard, I just spewed soda everywhere reading this. I'll try not to read words into your word no more, promise.
Fact remains you are doing it wrong. I have to wonder at people like you, you make a post, MULTIPLE people tell you you've got it wrong, and it's everyone else's fault. Amazing. |
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Ranzabar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.01.17 21:41:00 -
[71] - Quote
Here we have the expensive development of Dust...on a PS3 , and then you make it headscratchingly intriguing to engage these guys. That business model only works if 6 people who know what to do are paying $1,238,200.76 a month to play.
It's like advertising a new Porsche, setting up dealerships, scheduling test drives, then giving the buyer a cardboard cutout of the car and hoping he'll be satisfied making vrooom sounds.
Weird. Abide |
Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
71
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Posted - 2013.01.17 23:24:00 -
[72] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
i wonder ,will you get concorded ,if you could shoot at a planet without approval
Seems like a reasonably appropriate reaction. After all, no one asked to be blown up, therefore probably an outlaw action: Concordokken!
Should be able to suicide gank entire planetary civilian populations in hisec...
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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
34
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Posted - 2013.01.18 02:15:00 -
[73] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Ion Kirst wrote:
Jen, the game does not revolve around me. I never said that. I donGÇÖt want EVE to revolve around me. Where did you get that, or did you pull that out of your *ss. You assume what you perceive, which isnGÇÖt based on fact. DonGÇÖt read words into what I wrote. Oh, and your football example was just plain stupid.[
Dude,you owe me a keyboard, I just spewed soda everywhere reading this. I'll try not to read words into your word no more, promise. Fact remains you are doing it wrong. I have to wonder at people like you, you make a post, MULTIPLE people tell you you've got it wrong, and it's everyone else's fault. Amazing.
The definition of amazing in this post is the people who cannot read!
People like me? Wow another dig? How about people like you? (touche)
I originally said that I followed the steps laid out in "OB Mechanics". It was admitted that the steps should have included more information, and that they were vague. I'd have everyone read it if they could. The mechanics did not say, that the mercs in those 48 systems could not participate in OB. So when I got to one of the systems I asked them. (one guy said they were just driving the jeeps around in circles.) They didn't know when they would need an OB strike.
I just didn't want to "shoot a planet", I wanted to assist the mercs on the surface. I found out that I couldn't, and that was the disappointment. That's all there was too this.
Actually, I did it right.
. . . and Jen, you did it again, you've accused me blaming other people, when I didn't. You just can't help yourself can you. Oh, wait, maybe I read it wrong. Let me quote you . . .
. . . I make a post, MULTIPLE people tell me I've got it wrong and it's their fault. Wow, I misunderstood, I thought you were slamming me again. So now your blaming them? Amazing. (See how that works.)
-Kirst
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fukier
RISE of LEGION
726
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Posted - 2013.01.18 02:54:00 -
[74] - Quote
RomeStar wrote:Dust will be dead by this time next year and I will quote this post once it happens to prove it.
is it ok if i quote this post in a year when dust is a massive hit? At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Meraxes Tykjen
Ahrendee Mercenaries
0
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:03:00 -
[75] - Quote
[quote=RomeStar][quote=Arronicus] Dust is actually fun. Quote:
Ask yourself will it still be fun when all the console gamers get tired of yet another FPS and choose to go play COD 5000 and you are still sitting there all by your lonesome self shooting at nothing or constantly being sniped by some pimple faced teenager sitting in his parents basement.
Dont get me wrong I love the idea of integrating a planet game with EVE but I think they would have have better sucess if they had made it a strategy game similiar to Civilization and not a FPS and made it for the PC not some outdated console that will be extinct in a few years.
I have played dust and I actually enjoyed it but after 30 mins or so It became alittle mundane and this is coming from someone who loved COD and who played it constantly for hours on end.
The less COD babies that's in Dust 514, the better. Thanks for your input. Hopefully all COD players think the same about Dust 514 and leaves it well alone. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1160
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:15:00 -
[76] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning.
I failed to read that until today... So as much as interacting with dust bunnies requires thorough planning and organization and scheduling and preparation and wasting heaps of time just to push a bloody button and see nothing happen... That truly is EVE at its finest, congratulations on a job well done. I was a bit worried that DUST could derail the stagnation express, but now I see that all is back on track... CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3507
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:44:00 -
[77] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning. I failed to read that until today... So as much as interacting with dust bunnies requires thorough planning and organization and scheduling and preparation and wasting heaps of time just to push a bloody button and see nothing happen... That truly is EVE at its finest, congratulations on a job well done. I was a bit worried that DUST could derail the stagnation express, but now I see that all is back on track... If the DUST bunnies are in your corp (or at least under contract and in your coms) it doesn't take even as much effort as organizing a hot drop. Not to say that organizing a hot drop doesn't require organization and planning, but it's really not that big a deal when your corps standard operating procedure already has the right people in the right places with the right skills... like most "good" corps do. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Zapp Brenigan
Ishukone Black Watch
0
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Posted - 2013.02.07 22:17:00 -
[78] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning. Awwwwww...you mean I don't get to sit in orbit and pulverize the planet below?!?!?!?! CCP FoxFour, you disappoint me. *sad face*
I'm sure most Dust Bunnies would be all for randoms OBing them as long as they have the ability to target orbiting ships with ICBM's or an orbital defense grid. I'd love to see the whining when kb's start filling up with 'Random Pansy' killed by 'DustBunny123' using 'Orbital Beam Weapon X'. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1160
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:22:00 -
[79] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning. I failed to read that until today... So as much as interacting with dust bunnies requires thorough planning and organization and scheduling and preparation and wasting heaps of time just to push a bloody button and see nothing happen... That truly is EVE at its finest, congratulations on a job well done. I was a bit worried that DUST could derail the stagnation express, but now I see that all is back on track... If the DUST bunnies are in your corp (or at least under contract and in your coms) it doesn't take even as much effort as organizing a hot drop. Not to say that organizing a hot drop doesn't require organization and planning, but it's really not that big a deal when your corps standard operating procedure already has the right people in the right places with the right skills... like most "good" corps do.
Just read my signature and learn on the improvements of adding yet another awfully time comsuming multiplayer chore to EVE when you compare it to what people actually does in game. CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
77
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:22:00 -
[80] - Quote
Zapp Brenigan wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning. Awwwwww...you mean I don't get to sit in orbit and pulverize the planet below?!?!?!?! CCP FoxFour, you disappoint me. *sad face* I'm sure most Dust Bunnies would be all for randoms OBing them as long as they have the ability to target orbiting ships with ICBM's or an orbital defense grid. I'd love to see the whining when kb's start filling up with 'Random Pansy' killed by 'DustBunny123' using 'Orbital Beam Weapon X'.
Will the Eve OB pilot get one KM for every dust bunny they nuke from orbit?
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Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
176
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Posted - 2013.02.08 00:05:00 -
[81] - Quote
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:Zapp Brenigan wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning. Awwwwww...you mean I don't get to sit in orbit and pulverize the planet below?!?!?!?! CCP FoxFour, you disappoint me. *sad face* I'm sure most Dust Bunnies would be all for randoms OBing them as long as they have the ability to target orbiting ships with ICBM's or an orbital defense grid. I'd love to see the whining when kb's start filling up with 'Random Pansy' killed by 'DustBunny123' using 'Orbital Beam Weapon X'. Will the Eve OB pilot get one KM for every dust bunny they nuke from orbit?
Nope! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3508
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Posted - 2013.02.08 00:25:00 -
[82] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Liner Xiandra wrote:Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.
Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.
Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.
It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week. This man sums it up pretty well. Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning. I failed to read that until today... So as much as interacting with dust bunnies requires thorough planning and organization and scheduling and preparation and wasting heaps of time just to push a bloody button and see nothing happen... That truly is EVE at its finest, congratulations on a job well done. I was a bit worried that DUST could derail the stagnation express, but now I see that all is back on track... If the DUST bunnies are in your corp (or at least under contract and in your coms) it doesn't take even as much effort as organizing a hot drop. Not to say that organizing a hot drop doesn't require organization and planning, but it's really not that big a deal when your corps standard operating procedure already has the right people in the right places with the right skills... like most "good" corps do. Just read my signature and learn on the improvements of adding yet another awfully time comsuming multiplayer chore to EVE when you compare it to what people actually does in game. Sure, and while we are at it you might be pleased with what you find in the CSM meeting notes concerning that very issue. It appears that single player pursuits are gaining needed recognition from CCP, which is good. But that is certainly no indication that team play is going to be (or should be) neglected in current and future development.
You might also consider that there are many people already doing planetary bombardment, and far from considering the few minutes required a "chore" they consider it entertaining to watch the planets surface light up and the kill notifications scroll across their screen.
Planetary bombardment in particular is one area of game play in EvE that needs a cooperative element to avoid ruining associated game play. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2192
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Posted - 2013.02.08 00:28:00 -
[83] - Quote
RomeStar wrote:Dust will be dead by this time next year and I will quote this post once it happens to prove it.
I would bookmark this to pull it up in a year just to laugh at you, but you'll be long gone by then.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
994
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Posted - 2013.02.08 03:26:00 -
[84] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
Sure, and while we are at it you might be pleased with what you find in the CSM meeting notes concerning that very issue. It appears that single player pursuits are gaining needed recognition from CCP, which is good. But that is certainly no indication that team play is going to be (or should be) neglected in current and future development.
You might also consider that there are many people already doing planetary bombardment, and far from considering the few minutes required a "chore" they consider it entertaining to watch the planets surface light up and the kill notifications scroll across their screen.
Planetary bombardment in particular is one area of game play in EvE that needs a cooperative element to avoid ruining associated game play.
I am not an miner ,but people say mining is boring gameplay ,bc you can only shoot a laser at a asteroid. but shooting a planet is gameplay .
hmmm i find this interesting R.S.I2014
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1160
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Posted - 2013.02.08 07:48:00 -
[85] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:(...) Sure, and while we are at it you might be pleased with what you find in the CSM meeting notes concerning that very issue. It appears that single player pursuits are gaining needed recognition from CCP, which is good. But that is certainly no indication that team play is going to be (or should be) neglected in current and future development.
You might also consider that there are many people already doing planetary bombardment, and far from considering the few minutes required a "chore" they consider it entertaining to watch the planets surface light up and the kill notifications scroll across their screen.
Planetary bombardment in particular is one area of game play in EvE that needs a cooperative element to avoid ruining associated game play.
I read the minutes, and my signature comes from there.
I don't oppose that "politically correct" gameplay gets attention, but I am pretty negative about CCP's abbility to get anything right. The worst and most serious t issues from the Incarnageddon haven't been accounted for, and just now CCP appears to start thinking about figuring a way to suppose how to get a hint on why TQ population is a dead horse that needs being stimulated with price rebates and aggressive markting (in my books, offering "power of 2" to just-subcribed players Is aggressive marketing).
CCP is late and stagnation express is on the track and running well towards damnation. CCP has spent years and god know how many millions in developing a game whose link to EVE includes the same flaws that prevent EVE from reaching a healthy sustained population. Seriously, I was concerned on wether DUST's advertising of "just log in and join any random battle" was true, but it turns it is not. DUST is serious business and no serious FC will allow his squad be lost because they just allowed a nobody to join them. Which means that DUST's entry barrier will mimick EVE's learning cliff with the foreseable consequence of having few but dedicated users. Just they won't be paying a subscription, and may be dedicated enough to don't need to throw a single cent into CCP's pockets. CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1160
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Posted - 2013.02.08 07:50:00 -
[86] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Sure, and while we are at it you might be pleased with what you find in the CSM meeting notes concerning that very issue. It appears that single player pursuits are gaining needed recognition from CCP, which is good. But that is certainly no indication that team play is going to be (or should be) neglected in current and future development.
You might also consider that there are many people already doing planetary bombardment, and far from considering the few minutes required a "chore" they consider it entertaining to watch the planets surface light up and the kill notifications scroll across their screen.
Planetary bombardment in particular is one area of game play in EvE that needs a cooperative element to avoid ruining associated game play.
I am not an miner ,but people say mining is boring gameplay ,bc you can only shoot a laser at a asteroid. but shooting a planet is gameplay . hmmm i find this interesting
Even worst, i heard a rumor that they're actually shooting Barbies on that planet. CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
78
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:48:00 -
[87] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Sure, and while we are at it you might be pleased with what you find in the CSM meeting notes concerning that very issue. It appears that single player pursuits are gaining needed recognition from CCP, which is good. But that is certainly no indication that team play is going to be (or should be) neglected in current and future development.
You might also consider that there are many people already doing planetary bombardment, and far from considering the few minutes required a "chore" they consider it entertaining to watch the planets surface light up and the kill notifications scroll across their screen.
Planetary bombardment in particular is one area of game play in EvE that needs a cooperative element to avoid ruining associated game play.
I am not an miner ,but people say mining is boring gameplay ,bc you can only shoot a laser at a asteroid. but shooting a planet is gameplay . hmmm i find this interesting Even worst, i heard a rumor that they're actually shooting Barbies on that planet.
Just throw another Barbie on the prawn...
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Aracimia Wolfe
Fade To Darkness
169
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:18:00 -
[88] - Quote
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Sure, and while we are at it you might be pleased with what you find in the CSM meeting notes concerning that very issue. It appears that single player pursuits are gaining needed recognition from CCP, which is good. But that is certainly no indication that team play is going to be (or should be) neglected in current and future development.
You might also consider that there are many people already doing planetary bombardment, and far from considering the few minutes required a "chore" they consider it entertaining to watch the planets surface light up and the kill notifications scroll across their screen.
Planetary bombardment in particular is one area of game play in EvE that needs a cooperative element to avoid ruining associated game play.
I am not an miner ,but people say mining is boring gameplay ,bc you can only shoot a laser at a asteroid. but shooting a planet is gameplay . hmmm i find this interesting Even worst, i heard a rumor that they're actually shooting Barbies on that planet. Just throw another Barbie on the prawn...
Mining People is more fun than mining rocks. Theres a higher tear per hour ratio I like my coffee like I like my men. In a plastic cup http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Kodocha
Ikon Heavy Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.04.28 12:37:00 -
[89] - Quote
I have an opinion on this matter...
I think you would get more participation if they remember to "KISS"... For those of you who don't know, that stands for Keep It Simple Stupid!
Orbital bombardment should not involve FW. Set it up so tho Dust people can write up contracts for orbital bombardment! No different than courier contracts...
AT X planet in X system at X time... for X duration... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD IN HIGHSEC!!! (does no good if the pvp greifers can wantonly attack whomever they want. Especially nkowing in advance where their MARK is going to be. That's what low sec and 0.0 are for) I Digress.
An eve pilot can then accept the contract and in order to get PAID most be at said planet ONSTATION awaiting Strike package. IF/WHEN the order comes in. Go Weapons HOT! ??? Profit Bonus paid for successful strikes. Also easy enough to write up several contracts for the same place and time to have more ships in the area. The longer time ONSTA the higher the price... also maybe with higher payouts if there are enemy contractors in the area... last bit would be tough to figure out how to do properly but you get the idea.
Here's where it gets interesting...
The RIVAL dust people can ALSO make up contracts. IF opposing contracts appear at the same planet at the same time AND a Strike package is attacked... the opposing contractor gets to attack the bombarding ship and vice versa. A contractor CAN warp OFFSTA... but to get paid must spend a minimum of lets say 80% of the contracted time ONSTA. with a bonus for 100% contract completion. and diminishing payout down to say 50% of the contracted time. After which the contract is failed.
NOW!
To keep it "Strategic" with the planning and whatnot... allow for "dummy contracts" Dummy contracts pay the same as regular contracts, but are meant to keep the other dust faction guessing... They look same as normal contracts but you don't know where the attack is going to be exactly til the fighting begins... the REAL ISK is in performing hot strikes...
You may get a lot of dummy contracts but hey you get paid to sit and do nothing... ALSO if you establish your reputation with a Specific group or groups as a reliable contractor they can always issue private contracts to maintain secrecy.
"Dummy contracts" is also strategic is that the opposing force needs ensure they have PAID forces in all the areas where there are contracts... IF they fail to provide coverage BAM! launch your attack there.. you have "air support" and they DON'T.
I think something along those lines will make it much more fun and increase accessibility for all those who wish to be involved. That and you don't have to worry about being in FW so you don't have to risk getting shot at if if you don't feel like it on any given day.
Obviously there is some smoothing to be done here but this as a general idea, I think, is the way to go.
There are so many ways to make this game FUN but leave it to CCP to do things the Hard way... Welcome to EVE... Your OTHER full time job.
Cheers
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