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infused	Posted - 2005.06.26 10:30:00 - [1] So I became a lone pirate for awhile, trying to take the PVP track of eve life... But man it's hard. You make 0 isk. For me anyway. Am I doing something wrong? After one month I've lost all my cash and ships. No prob i'll go back to agent whoring and roid loving... Is eve flawed this way or do I just suck? [World Domination]
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.06.26 10:32:00 - [2] You arent the only one... pvp usually gains you very little money unless you learn how to ransom or extort from a corp. ------------------ Run and fall or stand in line, in the end what's your's is mine
Roland Ender	Posted - 2005.06.26 10:35:00 - [3] It is very hard to turn profit out of pvp until you get the hang out of it. Sad part is the game toasts so many mods and cargo you are honestly better off chasing down haulers or mining barges (local hull expanders sell quite high and if you are lucky you can get a good cargo + easy kill). I have seen a fully kitted hauler lose all its highs, meds and lows + cargo before... no can at all. I hope this helps a bit, any questions you have feel free to contact me ingame.
Flourite	Posted - 2005.06.26 10:49:00 - [4] You need to lean who hauls where and when! Then get a stiletto with 2x 200m TECH 2 Auto cannons and go and nail a few haulers with your 6pts of scramble the stilletto can use
Shafty	Posted - 2005.06.26 10:50:00 - [5] Edited by: Shafty on 26/06/2005 10:50:00 Yeah, an Ity5 dropped 5 local hulls the other day plus some POS stuff. Made up for lean times. Keep at it matey, all it takes is a few expanders or an Arbie to get you on your feet again.
Pehova Mindtriq	Posted - 2005.06.26 11:20:00 - [6] Get bm's deep into 0.0 and fly there with a inty that got more than 2 midslots(you need a high scramble strenght). Attack haulers and mining barges and soon enough you earn isk pvping.
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2005.06.26 11:46:00 - [7] Well I am no pirate and I don't really do PvP either, but I think that it should be hard to pirate, othervise you get everybody trying to do just that and you get a game like Freelancer or something. And for the cost of loosing something in PVP well I rather play EVE loosing stuff when fighting than playing games like WoW where you won't loose anything when you make a mistake and loose the fight. Oh and I have been loosing my share of Battleships and such both to NPC and players.... ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. 13:11
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2005.06.26 11:50:00 - [8] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 26/06/2005 11:50:48 I moved into pirating about 2 months ago. In terms of loot I have made around 150m (300m if I didn't give something back). I have lost 1 ship worth about 15m in that time and that was in war against CVA and Aegis so not while pirating. So, no it's not Eve that is the problem imo. It is a harder life than other paths but much more fun. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.06.26 11:57:00 - [9] It's not hard to make money with piracy at all (though I guess 0.0 piracy is a lot harder and <0.5 piracy is simply dead). But the key is to make more money then you lose. Only the emphasis should be on the 'losing' part. People that fly T2 ships, T2 fitted battleships, Faction loot etc. ofcourse will unlikely be able to fund themselves without grinding on the side. But if you use cheap modules, cheap ships and pick your fights carefully, the lower income a pirate has is still more then enough to keep money in your wallet for your next few ships. Spacerats recruiting!
R31D	Posted - 2005.06.26 12:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Tobiaz It's not hard to make money with piracy at all (though I guess 0.0 piracy is a lot harder and <0.5 piracy is simply dead). But the key is to make more money then you lose. Only the emphasis should be on the 'losing' part. People that fly T2 ships, T2 fitted battleships, Faction loot etc. ofcourse will unlikely be able to fund themselves without grinding on the side. But if you use cheap modules, cheap ships and pick your fights carefully, the lower income a pirate has is still more then enough to keep money in your wallet for your next few ships. Yep, this pretty much sums it up. All you really need for 0.4 pirating is a frig with a relatively decent damage output, and a scrambler. Fly around the belts and only shoot at the mining barges/haulers. These guys are likely to have the good expanders/modulated strip miner II's. Not hard to make your cash back, as long as you play it safe. Also, change your area of operations every copuple of days, so people don't lie in wait for you with a setup specifically designed to counter yours
MrMorph	Posted - 2005.06.26 12:43:00 - [11] Doing PvP or Piracy does not get you isk. Trading/Selling the modules do ---------------------------------------------- Trishys cookies they are !
Berta Kriel	Posted - 2005.06.26 13:24:00 - [12] You just need to learn teh Art of Loot Whoring.
Garnerius De'Nugent	Posted - 2005.06.26 13:29:00 - [13] If you're losing money while PVP'ing, you've forgotten the golden rule; Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose
Shafty	Posted - 2005.06.26 13:29:00 - [14] Yep, anchor yourself some large secure cans in the areas where you will operate and collect everything, the good stuff sell, the crap melt it down and sell/use the ore.
Cividari	Posted - 2005.06.26 14:04:00 - [15] Its all about choosing your targets. A cargo scanner is your friend if you are able to tank sentrys. Wanted for crimes against a rich guy.
HUGO DRAX	Posted - 2005.06.26 15:44:00 - [16] I think PvP/Piracy is best if you have some skillpoints and a large reserve of cash as seedmoney.
Kumq uat	Posted - 2005.06.26 16:16:00 - [17] I thought the golden rule was do unto others then safe spot before their friends bring in the battleships Tired of mining the same looking rock for thousands of hours you care bear you? www.freeallegiance.org
Shafty	Posted - 2005.06.26 16:29:00 - [18] Actually the golden rule is to Do unto others, then cloak and laugh from miles away as their mates look for you in innapropriate ships :) also steam in with an alt and take all the goodies while they look on helpless :)
V2GBR	Posted - 2005.06.26 16:35:00 - [19] Originally by: Shafty Actually the golden rule is to Do unto others, then cloak and laugh from miles away as their mates look for you in innapropriate ships :) also steam in with an alt and take all the goodies while they look on helpless :) You evil evil man ! Where do you get these ideas from :p ---------- http://guc.webinventions.co.uk <-- GUC Site. www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history.
Shafty	Posted - 2005.06.26 16:44:00 - [20] You Knows It :)
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.26 18:15:00 - [21] *Gate camp... Trade runs... They're there, find them.* It's not something that's going to bring you a player every 5 mins. It's not something it's going to be easy to do. You got to take time to find good systems with players running a lot of haulers threw it without bookmarks. They're out there, I've seen them, and I've abused them. Every REGION has atleast one trade run that runs threw a 0.4-0.1 system. If you're just sticking to Belt Piracy like that piracy guide implies. Then yes, you will not have as much luck. And for god sakes, kill other pirates. Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
R31D	Posted - 2005.06.26 21:05:00 - [22] Problem with that is that some people may not have a BS with which to snipe. it is easier to start with belt piracy in 'safe' 0.4 and when you have a BS, you can snipe. Also, belt piracy is more fun, if you know what I mean
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.26 22:14:00 - [23] Originally by: R31D Problem with that is that some people may not have a BS with which to snipe. it is easier to start with belt piracy in 'safe' 0.4 and when you have a BS, you can snipe. Also, belt piracy is more fun, if you know what I mean Very Very true HOWEVER you can use a Maller to tank sentry's long enough to take out a hauler. You can also use Battlecruisers such as the Ferox or Prophecy to do it much better. Note these ships have Resistance Increases Per Level. Who said gate camping or station camping was all about sniping. You snipe to hit all styles of ships. You can tank sentrys down to 30-100 damage per shot with these ships listed above. Solo it's hard, thats why you line up 2 Mallers tanked out with 800mm and active armor hardners or the same with any other style ships that can eject decent firepower as well good resistances and you got yourself a 2-3 man crew to take down haulers/frigs while tanking sentry guns. This keeps the isk factor of ship loss down a lot. It also allows you to execute real skill in gate camping other than sniping. Such as "Time it takes for Sentry to ware you down", "Warp out Times", "Time it takes to down a Hauler", and "Counter Mesures". Should be no reason why anyone has any problems doing any trade. You got to do your homework. Don't just expect people to hand it to you. Don't just expect un-professional players to hand you a setup or a pirate for newbies guide and work. Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
infused	Posted - 2005.06.27 01:07:00 - [24] How can you fit a maller to tank sentries? I got Sentry owned the other day. At the moment im using a nice gank setup of: 5x medium pulse lasers (frig guns) with xray, 1 med nos warp, web, cap charger, 1xt2 small armor repair, x5 heatsink II's [World Domination]
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.27 02:50:00 - [25] Originally by: infused How can you fit a maller to tank sentries? I got Sentry owned the other day. At the moment im using a nice gank setup of: 5x medium pulse lasers (frig guns) with xray, 1 med nos warp, web, cap charger, 1xt2 small armor repair, x5 heatsink II's Well that wont work of course. Mallers are best working in teams but you can tank good enough to pop and run. But mind you, the loot stays behind. Why me and my fiance do this together. But a good idea what you want to go for is something like this. Highs - Medium Pulses perferbly NAMED (Being you can't fit heat sinks) Mediums - 2xSensor Boosters and 1xWebber (1x Sensor, 1xWarp Disruptor/Scramb) Lows - 1x EM/Kentic/Explosive/Thermal Armor Hardner, 2xArmor Plates depending on skills Something like that. If you need more powergrid then remove a EM Hardner and put power mods in. Keep atleast 3 active hardners on as well atleast 1 good sized plate. I think something like that should fit. Always get my prophecy setup mixed with maller being they're almost both the same just 1 more gun heh. But never fit armor reps on your low slots if you plan on hitting and running. Just fit more resistance or plates. Skills to look for would be "Hull Upgrades IV" for the hardners. Then Engineering up good helps as well having Amarrian Cruiser IV to boost more resistance power. Just keep in mind, you can use something like this solo and work good. I've done it many times, however you do have to focus on timings and practice. This isn't ***** sniper deals, you do have to play in the fact of how long the target is from the gate, your warp out speeds, your damages, and ect. It's better if you had a wingman as well a person to aquire the loot after explosion. Camping only really works well solo in a battleship but you can still do this and get away with it. Hope this helps.. Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
infused	Posted - 2005.06.27 05:02:00 - [26] ^^ Very good post. Thanks alot. Made me think a bit more. I was not tanking before, I was just pure damage. [World Domination]
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.06.27 05:47:00 - [27] Originally by: infused ^^ Very good post. Thanks alot. Made me think a bit more. I was not tanking before, I was just pure damage. Aye, just got to remember everything on EVE is almost possiable. Just got to go out there and experience it for yourself. Just make sure you get up to the Prophecy or Ferox. They do really well tanked out in there bonuses. If you play your cards right, you will not lose your ship so easy. So investing into something that big (30 Million) would be worth it. As well give you something that's more original about yourself in the trade. Just some more low isk stuff you can do that can equaly be up on battleship level. Good luck! Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Pa1nbringr	Posted - 2005.06.27 06:47:00 - [28] Originally by: infused So I became a lone pirate for awhile, trying to take the PVP track of eve life... But man it's hard. You make 0 isk. For me anyway. Am I doing something wrong? After one month I've lost all my cash and ships. No prob i'll go back to agent whoring and roid loving... Is eve flawed this way or do I just suck? its a very up and down kind of thing, every once in a while youll get a lucky break and have yourself covered for a long time ---------------------- Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out Pa1nbringr > sick Fedaykin Naib > lol
promatolya	Posted - 2005.06.27 08:26:00 - [29] well, i did some gatecamping myselve... so for those that wanna do it in a raven, might i suggest this setup: high: - 6x siege launcher with torps (even tough withthe next patch, cm's might be nicer) - 2x medium gun,preferable pulse laser to take out the first few shieldpoints before ppl can activate their hardners medium: - xl shieldbooster, 4x hardner (depending on the sentrie type. eg: amarr would be 2x em, 2x thermal) and a heavy cap injecter with booster charge 800 lows 4x warp core stab (to prevent the first best frigpilot to scramble you and watch the sentries ***you) and a cpu perhapes (i had low cpu skills then, so maybe you can fit another mod in there, some ecm backup maybe) even tough you'll be able to tank the sentries for a long long time with this SCORPION** as for the scorpion keep the setup but make it 6x siege, and put a 2x 20k scrambler, or a 20k scrambler and a sensor booster 2 in there. gank a good hauler here and there, and get nice isks. maybe get a friend or an alt to cargo scann or sit in an indi to pick up lootdrops. We dont fight because we are right, we fight because what we believe in is at stake.
promatolya	Posted - 2005.06.27 08:28:00 - [30] scorp: 4x siege whoops We dont fight because we are right, we fight because what we believe in is at stake.

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