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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
3335
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Posted - 2013.01.16 16:45:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Iminent Penance wrote:
No, cloaking should remove your name from local.
Sure but it better remove everyone else's (and prevent DScan) Sending out pings to scan for things is not silent running
I'd better be able to know there's a cloaked ship within a certain distance (say, 5 AU of me).
Otherwise no, this is a bad idea.
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
327
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:08:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Spurty wrote:Iminent Penance wrote:
No, cloaking should remove your name from local.
Sure but it better remove everyone else's (and prevent DScan) Sending out pings to scan for things is not silent running I'd better be able to know there's a cloaked ship within a certain distance (say, 5 AU of me). Otherwise no, this is a bad idea.
Agreed. Ship scanning should burn through module based cloaks at some minimum distance
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Degren
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2185
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:10:00 -
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Its weird how cyclical these topics are
OP is bored/outraged/emotional? -áCheck. -áOP is in high sec? -áCheck. -áOP is in NPC or solo corp? -áCheck. -áOP demands CCP fix the situation? -áCheck. -áLaugh at OP |
Thrayx
Convergent
Black Core Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:15:00 -
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I think this post is about me. I afk camped his ratting systems. Then I killed his carrier.  |
Jensaro Koraka
Hidden Squid Society
7
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Iminent Penance wrote:No, cloaking should remove your name from local. No it shouldn't.
Yes it should. What's the point of a "covert" ship when everyone knows it's there? They also need to make some way to scan down cloaked ships so one can't stay in a system forever with nobody being able to touch it.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
-H.L. Mencken |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:36:00 -
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Ouch. Just lost all respect for the OP, well, if that was at all possible after his initial post. |
Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
37
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Posted - 2013.03.02 04:28:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Ouch. Just lost all respect for the OP, well, if that was at all possible after his initial post.
Tip 1) look at the fit of the carrier I threw at the gate xD. Was hilarious
LOL, wish theyd put the local chat logs -.-... its amazing, i lost less than a single faction battleship for lulz, and someone came here to post like it was epeen :(
Carriers are 300mil losses insured if built yourself ... so I don't think them that impressive, sorry if theyre impressive to you <3
edit : oh my god those moros kills xD brings back memories... 300+ kills with drones alone in low sec, 100 + pods, billions in haulers... then I lost it and bought another one within 3 minutes. Shame on the drone nerf xD.
I don't get it... If you can afford to replace a ship over one hundred times...
Why should it matter in a video game? :3
But in all seriousness, I don't care about capitals, and cloaking shouldnt even work on them (its like making a f***ing station invisible, shouldnt happen) .... its about how unstoppable cloaking is. If you want to epeen over me losing ships I don't care about fine, just have something to say about whether cloaks should have any counter or not |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1093
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Posted - 2013.03.02 04:39:00 -
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That's a damn funny KM.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
37
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Posted - 2013.03.02 04:45:00 -
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Aye,uncloaked and forgot to re cloak :3. Fitting for a cloaking topic discussion, but on the bright side, in the time I had it, it made enough to buy roughly 6 more carriers of the same fit.
I'm so bad... thinking of profit margins rather than killboards... god help me
edit: ps, this is also a rule: never buy prefit carriers. Unless you dont care xD |
Orlacc
276
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Posted - 2013.03.02 04:57:00 -
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So in the end, just another butthurt capsuleer.. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1008
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Posted - 2013.03.02 04:58:00 -
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Jess Maine wrote:Verity Sovereign wrote:You're right, you shouldn't be in local in the first place.... like in WHs
Then, as a counter, I'd have cloaked ships show up on Dscan, which could be used to find where to fly to decloak them while they are in a bubble You'd then have to buff nullsec income to make it worth my time with the hassle of my ship being blown up. Good luck as Tech Moons are just the first target.
Twist your brain around this....+300 days since my last pve ship loss in w-space with no local and cloakies not showing up on dscan. I PVE almost daily when the opportunity is right.
Stop crying that local & afk cloakers have anything to do with your safety. It's about your laziness.
HTFU!...for the children! |
Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
38
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Posted - 2013.03.02 05:04:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Jess Maine wrote:Verity Sovereign wrote:You're right, you shouldn't be in local in the first place.... like in WHs
Then, as a counter, I'd have cloaked ships show up on Dscan, which could be used to find where to fly to decloak them while they are in a bubble You'd then have to buff nullsec income to make it worth my time with the hassle of my ship being blown up. Good luck as Tech Moons are just the first target. Twist your brain around this....+300 days since my last pve ship loss in w-space with no local and cloakies not showing up on dscan. I PVE almost daily when the opportunity is right. Stop crying that local & afk cloakers have anything to do with your safety. It's about your laziness.
I commend you for doing wormhole space... it was far too much effort. for my blood (too little profit margins for like 5x the effort of even lowsec) |
Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
38
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Posted - 2013.03.02 05:05:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:So in the end, just another butthurt capsuleer..
If by butthurt you mean couldn't care less and trolls the forums for lols... Then yes.
Eve online isnt about the size of the ship... a lot can be done without killboards...
Used to anyways... I don't know when this changed. |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
147
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Posted - 2013.03.02 09:33:00 -
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nullbear tears, best tears.
Move to wormholes and forget your local channel fears. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14332
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Posted - 2013.03.02 09:37:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:So in the end, just another butthurt capsuleer.. Indeed. Now crying forum troll and the I don't care it's a game and I made millions card. But me thinks he doth protest too much. 
This bit was funny:
Iminent Penance wrote:its about how unstoppable cloaking is. Followed by:
Iminent Penance wrote:Aye,uncloaked and forgot to re cloak :3 Yea, certainly looks unstoppable.
Malcanis for CSM 8.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
March rabbit
No Name No Pain
570
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Posted - 2013.03.02 09:52:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Iminent Penance wrote:just make sure they know we approve. Oh, we certainly do approve. AFK cloaky campers never hurt anyone.
and this is the main problem.
Eve is all about conflict and wars. We should get ability to hurt other players when we afk.... Let's say boosting your gang from POS when you afk.... Or preventing someone from carebearing when you are sleep or went to shop.... |
Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
43
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Posted - 2013.03.02 09:59:00 -
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I truly do love trolling the forums, mention cloaking watch people who afk play cry and rage and post killmails,
mention hot drops watch every capital pilot ingame cry,
bumping... griefing... awoxing, mining, botting, spying,
Eve online and Eve Forums online are the two best games ever made xD |
Random Woman
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.03.02 10:06:00 -
[48] - Quote
Remove Local: problem solved
If they cant see it they cant whine about it. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1011
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Posted - 2013.03.02 13:13:00 -
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Random Woman wrote:Remove Local: problem solved
If they cant see it they cant whine about it.
Pretty much.
HTFU!...for the children! |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2114
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Posted - 2013.03.02 13:22:00 -
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Iminent Penance wrote:I truly do love trolling the forums, mention cloaking watch people who afk play cry and rage and post killmails,
mention hot drops watch every capital pilot ingame cry,
bumping... griefing... awoxing, mining, botting, spying, hell just mention how ******** it is that pvp is now pv pve'ers and the tears will flow forth for you. Thank you all.
Eve online and Eve Forums online are the two best games ever made xD
That was futile :D
Only person crying and raging in this thread is you, everyone else is just pointing and laughing at you 
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1166
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Posted - 2013.03.02 14:14:00 -
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I too love the idea of being completely invisible while monitoring system traffic, setting up drops, and gathering intel. The best part is there is no counter and it can even be done in a T1 frig. In a game that's all about checks and balances and everything has a counter, this seems to be an anomaly.
Don't Vote for Malcanis
New Eden Training Simulation. -áIdea to improve NPE. |
Norm Tempesta
The Konvergent League
Sev3rance
23
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Posted - 2013.03.02 14:32:00 -
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Random Woman wrote:Remove Local: problem solved
If they cant see it they cant whine about it.
This has already been done in 2500 systems. It is called W-space. If you don't like local give it a try.
I like how everyone says that if they are afk, they can't hurt you. Along with my answer about local, that answer is obviously simplistic, dont ya think?
Anyway, such is the game, deal with it or station spin. Dock in the station for days on end while afk and give the afk cloaker a reason to exist. |
Jess Maine
Kaesong Kosmonauts
Test Alliance Please Ignore
45
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Posted - 2013.03.02 14:41:00 -
[53] - Quote
Ah cloaks, CCPs secret giggle tool to reduce ISK per hour so less people can pay for PLEX's. |
Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.03.02 15:23:00 -
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I have a suggestion. Make a specific ship type only good for for scanning down cloaked ships. Make the scan interactive so someone needs to be at the keyboard in order to actively do it. Something like scanning a planet in PI. Make it skill dependent on the players part and the characters part. It should take about 15-20 minutes of active work. While all this is going on, the ship doing the scanning is completely vulnerable to even weak attacks and shows like a beacon to cloaked vessels. If it has shield or armor or even thick plating it interferes with the new scan. A cloaked vessel should also have some means to counter the scan. While scanning you can't even see your overview, so a cloaked player at the keyboard would have very little trouble blowing this ship up. This accomplished the following.
AFK cloaking for hours on end would be dangerous to your ship you'd need to at least pay passive attention to see if someone is scanning for you. You can still go grab a bite to eat or a smoke because it takes longer than that to scan you down, but you need to check things out every little bit.
AFK nullsec ratters need to be active at the keyboard in order to alleviate this threat. Bots would not be able to accomplish the scan so bots can either take your chances or station up.
It would make sure everyone is at least paying half attention to what's going on while they are cloaking, mining or ratting said system and would make it harder for mining/ratting bots or AFK cloakers to operate with impunity. |
Varesk
Origin.
Black Legion.
322
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Posted - 2013.03.02 15:36:00 -
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How about people just deal with it and realize its a part of the game instead of crying to CCP to have them change it. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3441
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Posted - 2013.03.02 17:56:00 -
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Varesk wrote:How about people just deal with it and realize its a part of the game instead of crying to CCP to have them change it.
We wouldn't get the afk cloaky camping tears then...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
656
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Posted - 2013.03.02 17:57:00 -
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I heard that CCP is going to disallow cloaky AFK camping on the same day they they disallow frieghter ganking in HI SEC:
So according to ranters like James315 expect it to happen any day now  in that spirit I heard after James315 nerfs HI SEC to SiSi he's going to start a new campaign of bumping cloakies complete with 2 page rants in the EveO forums about how AFK cloakers are worse then ****** (CCP really?? Das F++hrer und Reichskanzler last name is censored? ) just like miners in HI SECare 
Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4106
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Posted - 2013.03.02 23:53:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote:Yes it should. What's the point of a "covert" ship when everyone knows it's there?
Balance.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1113
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Posted - 2013.03.03 00:11:00 -
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Giving covops ships more EHP, fitting and some combat bonuses would be good. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
502
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Posted - 2013.03.03 00:20:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Jess Maine wrote:Verity Sovereign wrote:You're right, you shouldn't be in local in the first place.... like in WHs
Then, as a counter, I'd have cloaked ships show up on Dscan, which could be used to find where to fly to decloak them while they are in a bubble You'd then have to buff nullsec income to make it worth my time with the hassle of my ship being blown up. Good luck as Tech Moons are just the first target. Twist your brain around this....+300 days since my last pve ship loss in w-space with no local and cloakies not showing up on dscan. I PVE almost daily when the opportunity is right. Stop crying that local & afk cloakers have anything to do with your safety. It's about your laziness.
The reason I can't agree with this is that WH space and null space are two different beasts driven by different mechanics. Not to say I dismiss your point entirely. Just that, parking an AFK cloaker in WH space requires and produces different variables than doing it in null space.
To name a few, preparing a cloakie in WH space will require you to put in extra work scanning down, finding, and reasearching whether there are viable targets in the system. In null sec space, you can pretty much park at any known busy hub, no scanning or research required. Simply park and wait.
Results are also different. You can't cyno in friends, or even know how many potential predators are waiting on you to pounce.
In short, an AFK cloaker operating in WH space deals with more unkown variables and erratic risk/reward ratios. For this reason I wouldn't expect to see many AFK cloakers.
Make it so that null sec entry points aren't as predictable and accessible, remove local, and restrict the ability to cyno attack, in other words, the AFK cloaker now has to put in some actual work, and then we can compare the success/failure of AFK cloaking in 0.0/WH.
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