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Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:37:00 -
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Since eve is about balance and being able to counter anything with some combination, and is against afk playing 23/7 using macros or anything allowing you to be afk, I propose cloaky camping be labeled by ccp as officially unnerfable, and ossibly requiring a buff.
Why
1) I want to be able to be untouchable except if i forget to scout a bubble, period, with no exception. It would not be fun for me to be able to be caught any more than the bs that I already have that risk. Cloaking should probably make me ewar immune on covops class ships as well cloaked or not.
2) i want to be able to passively and invincibly scout everywhere, and if i find a juicy target i should let my cyno alt warp to me to i can kill it without revealing myself EVERY TIME, because eve is about balance, and that is fair for me.
3) local should be nerfed so not only can i not be caught, they shouldnt know im there
4) cloaks should work when logging off/on so i can afk camp people at my leisure in their space without needing to activate my modules, after all it's already too much work. .
5) Like macro miners, I should be able to play afk. Sure macro miners can die, but cloakies are cloaked and therefore should remain invincible.
6)CCP Should never nerf small ships, thats what titans are for.
7) I want to be able to stay cloaked in bubbles, seriously why should I have to be vulnerable to anything cloaked? It isn't fair.
8) Macro mining is bannable because its afk playing, but cloaking requires setup at the start of the day, meaning its different because it isnt macro mining.
Why not
1) if you think cloakies are too op just because they are invincible and fill a role 23/7 that can be unmatchable by any ingame tactic as long as they're afk, you obviously are a carebear and/or noob ... or don't know that cloakies one weakness of jumping into bubbles is a weakness enough. After all you can bait them... or quit eve. Good enough counter imho.
Petition any gm and when they agree with my stance on why we should be allowed to do this even better than before, post it here so maybe we can finally get cloaked buffs letting us shoot while cloaked. Because the utilities mentioned above arent enough for me, and shouldn't be enough for you.
Eve is about balance, and this , as long as used by and for me, is balanced. |
EI Digin
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:38:00 -
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Is someone cloaky camping your favourite ratting system? |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:41:00 -
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Is this about AFK cloakers? They're AFK, they're not even playing the game. Why are you worried about them?
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:41:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Is someone cloaky camping your favourite ratting system?
Nah, I dont rat muc.. But glad you agree with me! |
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgoge rychwyrndrob
In Praise Of Shadows
32
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:42:00 -
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This is an English only forum. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:48:00 -
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Again...
Wouldn't be better to open a specific forum section for "afk cloackers" topics?
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Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:49:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:Again...
Wouldn't be better to open a specific forum section for "afk cloackers" topics?
Yes. But CCP has nothing to say on cloaky campers so general discussion is fine, just make sure they know we approve. |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:51:00 -
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Iminent Penance wrote:just make sure they know we approve.
Oh, we certainly do approve. AFK cloaky campers never hurt anyone.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:58:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Iminent Penance wrote:just make sure they know we approve. Oh, we certainly do approve. AFK cloaky campers never hurt anyone.
Well, much ;) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3217
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:59:00 -
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I agree. Leave it untouched forever.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
FourierTransformer
4
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Posted - 2013.01.16 02:00:00 -
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This again? Standard reply:
1) An ~AFK~ cloaker never killed anyone.
2) It is possible to catch cloaky in a number of ways, specifically:
a) bubbles + competent tackle (honestly, just competent tackles has a decent chance of working)
b) Instalocking frigs, destroyers, and T3's. Due to the fact that eve server does everything in 1s increments, if your ship has a lock time less than 1 second against the cloakies hull, its even money whether they're able to cloak or not if you initiate the lock attempt when they appear out of gate cloak. The cloaky has a delay when decloaking before they can recloak, and a delay between when they send the cloak signal to the server and when the server receives it.
c) decloak cans at 10-12k around gate.
Tl,dr: HTFU and adapt. |
Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
Black Core Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.01.16 02:47:00 -
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FourierTransformer wrote:This again? Standard reply:
1) An ~AFK~ cloaker never killed anyone.
2) It is possible to catch cloaky in a number of ways, specifically:
a) bubbles + competent tackle (honestly, just competent tackles has a decent chance of working)
b) Instalocking frigs, destroyers, and T3's. Due to the fact that eve server does everything in 1s increments, if your ship has a lock time less than 1 second against the cloakies hull, its even money whether they're able to cloak or not if you initiate the lock attempt when they appear out of gate cloak. The cloaky has a delay when decloaking before they can recloak, and a delay between when they send the cloak signal to the server and when the server receives it.
c) decloak cans at 10-12k around gate.
Tl,dr: HTFU and adapt.
In other words cloaking is fine, and you agree. Keep it simple :P |
Mire Stoude
Antelope with Night Vision Goggles
80
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Posted - 2013.01.16 03:26:00 -
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While we are discussing boosting cloaking, CCP should make it so I can lock and activate modules/ weapons without decloaking. It is rather unfair that my targets can defend themselves. I mean what's the use of cloaking if I can't use it in combat? |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
260
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Posted - 2013.01.16 07:14:00 -
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Posting in another poorly disguised "nerf AFK cloaking" thread.
Next!  |
Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
Black Core Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.01.16 09:35:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Posting in another poorly disguised "nerf AFK cloaking" thread. Next!
If you think cloaking needs nerfing, you're just a macro miner who doesnt know the many ways to target a cloak camper, and that's your fault not mine. Don't disgrace this legitimate thread with your pathetic attempts at demeaning the pros of fair cloaking
Mire Stoude wrote:While we are discussing boosting cloaking, CCP should make it so I can lock and activate modules/ weapons without decloaking. It is rather unfair that my targets can defend themselves. I mean what's the use of cloaking if I can't use it in combat?
I wouldnt mine being able to make cynos while cloaked too. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
13560
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Posted - 2013.01.16 09:58:00 -
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Yea while local remains the 100%, risk free, instant intel tool it is now, cloaks should not be touched.
Amidoitrite?
(also posting in a veiled nerf AFKing thread)
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
Black Core Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:09:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Yea while local remains the 100%, risk free, instant intel tool it is now, cloaks should not be touched.
Amidoitrite?
(also posting in a veiled nerf AFKing thread)
No, cloaking should remove your name from local. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1012
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:16:00 -
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Remove cloaking, it was always a bad idea, similar to supercaps. |
Yabba Addict
Red Shift Enterprises
54
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:27:00 -
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Mire Stoude wrote:While we are discussing boosting cloaking, CCP should make it so I can lock and activate modules/ weapons without decloaking. It is rather unfair that my targets can defend themselves. I mean what's the use of cloaking if I can't use it in combat?
I see you
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
3324
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:43:00 -
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Iminent Penance wrote:No, cloaking should remove your name from local.
No it shouldn't.
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Qolde
An Eye For An Eye
AN EYE F0R AN EYE
137
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Posted - 2013.01.16 12:09:00 -
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Cloaking on regular ships is kinda like a mobile station wherever you click it. there have been times where i have flown an odd ship during a super cap fleet battle, wasn't targetted, cloaked, explained the excitement to my roommate, poured another drink, and resumed the killing. Cloaks on your cloakies test your targets group awareness and vigilance. Carebearing should be hard, but not so hard that we lose carriers to afk cloakies all day. That means your alliances sov space wasn't so sov. gtfo.
edit: **** local. boost small gang.
If someone craps in your sandbox:
1. Light it on fire
2. Grab your shovel
3. Throw it back at them. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
358
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Posted - 2013.01.16 12:11:00 -
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You're right, you shouldn't be in local in the first place.... like in WHs
Then, as a counter, I'd have cloaked ships show up on Dscan, which could be used to find where to fly to decloak them while they are in a bubble |
Jess Maine
Kaesong Kosmonauts
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.16 12:12:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:You're right, you shouldn't be in local in the first place.... like in WHs
Then, as a counter, I'd have cloaked ships show up on Dscan, which could be used to find where to fly to decloak them while they are in a bubble
You'd then have to buff nullsec income to make it worth my time with the hassle of my ship being blown up. Good luck as Tech Moons are just the first target. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
358
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Posted - 2013.01.16 12:13:00 -
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Sooo... you're a risk averse nullbear who wants more ISK than in high sec with less risk? |
dexington
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
539
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Posted - 2013.01.16 12:20:00 -
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lol.. you are just mad because to did something stupid and lost you ratting carrier
Thanatos (Carrier) - Iminent Penance
GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
302
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:22:00 -
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Local is the best intel tool in the game for non w-space. CCP is scared to death to lose thousands of player's subs if they change local to delayed.
Local as it is doesn't make sense, it's influencing the way Eve is played much more than any ship or any upcoming T4.
New inventory: Getting better since version 1.2, but what about back and forward buttons? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
3326
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:27:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with local as it is.
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
472
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:27:00 -
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Cloaking is fine but could be much better.
CovOps, Reccons, BlackOps need more tools to improve their game play and offer bitter vets new goals and different gaming experience.
+1 for cloak buffs  |
Spurty
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
740
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:16:00 -
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Iminent Penance wrote:
No, cloaking should remove your name from local.
Sure but it better remove everyone else's (and prevent DScan)
Sending out pings to scan for things is not silent running
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I used to be indecisive but now I am not quite sure. |
Iminent Penance
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation
Black Core Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.01.16 16:44:00 -
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Helps when its location is given by blues :3, dont care though have several of em.
Alts are for cloaks, mains are for shinies... or are you not there yet? ;) |
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