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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:16:00 -
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Lakshmii wrote:I like how anyone who disagrees with the FiS-focused folks is a troll. 10/10, got me good.
Non-sequitor!
WiS might be an important addition to Eve, eventually. But, if it kneecaps FiS, then one must ask, "What is the point of WiS?". Development of WiS should not be at the expense of FiS. The entire time that CCP was talking up WiS, all the years, they should have been developing it to be a functional addition to Eve. Instead, what we got, was a decision to develop it back in January, it's release 6mos later, shoddy code obsoleting some systems, killing others, bringing yet other's to their knees, poor performance on systems capable of running it and adequate performance on top of the line boxes and ONE ROOM WITH ONE PERSON encompassing all of 2 minutes of explorable content while advancement in FiS has has been stunted for almost 2 years.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
25
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:26:00 -
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@ Tippia:
I'm not trying to attack you with the post at all. The comment you made is one many anit-WiS people use quite often. No matter how much FiS stuff the supporters of this get. They will still shoot down any development other than their primary concern. Especially when it comes to WiS.
They'll give this half-assed support for FW, POS managment and SOV warfare mechanics. Since they are in their ships when they are doing most of that stuff..
But everytime WiS is mentioned they will gun it down. Some absolutely believe it has no place in a Sci-Fi game such as EVE. So I don't see any straws being grasped there. It's just a whole bunch of fact and a fist-full of WiS hatters. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:28:00 -
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they won't throw away incarna crap, they are just started to focus more on the next stuff
incarna literally was not an expansion. in winter you will get the other CQs... maybe next winter u can leave the station and have a conference room with up to 8 people
maybe in 5 years you can enter a station and see 50 other people. the requirments of CQ alone justify waiting until the adverage computer catches up.
next, some things in FIS have been broken for a long time. its time to fix it. if incarna is the backside of each expansion everyone will be happy. but we never want to see
oh yea FIS gets nothing here is incarna please buy $70 monocle. |
Varesk
Maelstrom Crew
27
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:32:00 -
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Sofia Bellard wrote:I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.
So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.
post with your main, troll.
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Jooce McNasty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:40:00 -
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Apollo-Moor wrote:But everytime WiS is mentioned they will gun it down. Some absolutely believe it has no place in a Sci-Fi game such as EVE. So I don't see any straws being grasped there. It's just a whole bunch of fact and a fist-full of WiS hatters.
Once FIS is in a good state I will support WIS 100% but when the game is in such a broken state with major glaring issues I will not put any support behind WIS. Also when they do return to working on WIS if it is implemented as broken as it currently is I will vocally shout how they wasted all this time for 4 room, and a single player experience in a MMO.
WIS should be developed but not at the expense of FIS which is what has seemed to happen. This is why I believe most people are angry with WIS.
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T-Jay Charante
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:53:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:they won't throw away incarna crap, they are just started to focus more on the next stuff
incarna literally was not an expansion. in winter you will get the other CQs... maybe next winter u can leave the station and have a conference room with up to 8 people
maybe in 5 years you can enter a station and see 50 other people. the requirments of CQ alone justify waiting until the adverage computer catches up.
next, some things in FIS have been broken for a long time. its time to fix it. if incarna is the backside of each expansion everyone will be happy. but we never want to see
oh yea FIS gets nothing here is incarna please buy $70 monocle.
This game will be lucky if it makes it past 2013, in its current state.
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Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
27
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:54:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:they won't throw away incarna crap, they are just started to focus more on the next stuff
incarna literally was not an expansion. in winter you will get the other CQs... maybe next winter u can leave the station and have a conference room with up to 8 people
maybe in 5 years you can enter a station and see 50 other people. the requirments of CQ alone justify waiting until the adverage computer catches up.
next, some things in FIS have been broken for a long time. its time to fix it. if incarna is the backside of each expansion everyone will be happy. but we never want to see
oh yea FIS gets nothing here is incarna please buy $70 monocle.
Not being able to get even 20 people in the same room without melting a setup is nuts and completely unacceptable for ANY MMO.
I'm sure Blizzard/Trion/Bioware are all having a field day laughing at the ineptitude of CCP to actually build it right.. |
Aldan Romar
Imperial Academy
21
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:09:00 -
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Lakshmii wrote:I like how anyone who disagrees with the FiS-focused folks is a troll. 10/10, got me good.
+1
At least the WIS crowd doesn't go out of their way shooting monuments at Jita...
There's nothing worse than leaving a bad looking corpse |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
69
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:09:00 -
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Sofia Bellard wrote:I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.
So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.
**** incarna is my personal view. incarna would have added something to eve if it was the same as the fanfest 05/06 vision. what we got was so far from that. it adds nothing to eve in its current state. 4 rooms and maybe a bar, woopy that was 6 years work down the drain.
i hope they go back to space ships and dont touch wis for a long long time
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
390
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:11:00 -
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Aldan Romar wrote:At least the WIS crowd doesn't go out of their way shooting monuments at Jita... That's because there are no monuments in the CQ (yet), and if if there were (and when there are), they won't be able to do anything to themGǪ
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
28
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:12:00 -
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Sofia Bellard wrote:I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.
So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.
CCP are not abandoning Incarna, but they are delaying it. And sadly, I think they have to. I do want to see the vision realised but it is clearly not ready yet and CCP need to take more time to work on and refine their concept for what the gameplay value actually is.
In the meantime, EVE's existing core gameplay is in desperate need of attention. Lingering problems have been left to fester for far too long and they are approaching a critical mass. EVE has significant balance issues that needed to be addressed a full year ago, they are now reaching a point where they must be dealt with.
Null sec has been stagnating for a long time. Super capital proliferation (and the power of these ships) is killing null sec and getting worse all the time. The sov mechanics need to be revisted as they simply are not much fun. There are may sub capital balancing issues that lead to whole ship classes being largely irrelevant. When it comes to balancing existing ships/items/features these are relatively 'cheap' changes in development terms. Balancing blasters requires no new art or programming work but could make many ships into viable options again. Balancing capitals can hugely change the null sec (and low sec) dynamics but again need no art and relatively little programming.
Those art/programming resources can (in theory) continue to be used to develop Incarna in the background while much needed fixes are applied to existing EVE content. I think that is CCP's game plan at the moment, with 2 possible exceptions; Factional Warfare and Starbases. Depending on their ambitions for the winter release there may be some heavy lifting in these areas for art teams and underlying game code.
EVE needs a damn good tidy up to address key flaws that are alienating the existing player base and would impact on new players as well. Incarna will benefit from extra time as what we have seen so far has felt rushed. A strong release next year will be better than a disappointing release this year. And a release cycle of fixing and polishing existing content may go a long way towards restoring confidence in CCP's ability to deliver the experience we all hope for.
http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/ |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
69
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:12:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Yes and No.
When I look at the up coming winter expansion I see a list of fixes and changes to FIS.
Also I see the rest of the CQ's.
So basically if CCP gives the whiners there fixes and changes to FIS then CCP can slip in there Incarna additions as well.
This is not the first time CCP ran into Issues with an expansion.
Several years ago CCP tryed to release a pure industrial expansion.
There was an outcry and CCP backed off and handed out some FIS and a few industrial items.
So as long as CCP hands out FIS and slips in other items at the same time they will be okay.
And then non-sandbox crowd (FIS only) can suck it up and deal.
that expansion, the industrial one, we were promised lots of stuff. ccp failed to delivery any industrial stuffs and instead added 1 ship.
they promised and failed to deliver, yet again
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
9
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:15:00 -
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CCP needs to work on WiS so I can keep my spaceheater running, winter is comming and it getting cold!
I am just thinking of all the heat 10 people would make if just me alone is a nice stress on my system...
Gona be -20 out and I'll have windows open just to play eve! Fresh air FTW! |
Kengutsi Akira
22
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:34:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Ruby Hotrod wrote:FiS needs a buff in general. Not just in null sec as the CSM and their buddies keep pushing to CCP. Yeah, because things like fixing hybrids will only work in nullsec. 
Yeah because Mittens ISNT doing what he said ...right? lol
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
167
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:40:00 -
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I think its a mistake.
I mean honestly with how poorly optimized, generic, and buggy CQ is. Why would you want those Devs working on FiS? |
Blue Bitties
Republic University
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:43:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Yeah because Mittens ISNT doing what he said ...right? lol
Suck daddy's **** harder, ******. |
Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:50:00 -
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Sofia Bellard wrote:I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.
So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.
It is now very common to get less than 30k members logged in. It used to be very common to have over 40k. This drastic drop in actively logged in players is due to ignoring the desires of their existing customers. Where are all these new customers that came here for WiS. They are not here.
Allocate resources to FiS |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:51:00 -
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Somehow I don't think unfinished WiS is what caused the holes to appear in the EVE boat. CCP are privy to data and where applicable the exit survey for people cancelling their subs that we will never see. No company does a sudden about face based on what is written on the forum alone, so CCP is focussing on FiS for other reasons ... overall feedback.
Incarna has potential, but CCP need to make it more than a shoebox with a credit card attached. My idea of content for WiS is not pushing piles of stuff into the Nex store, but adding things that actually expand the gameplay options in EVE.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
393
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:53:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:I think its a mistake.
I mean honestly with how poorly optimized, generic, and buggy CQ is. Why would you want those Devs working on FiS? Because fixing the CQ doesn't serve any purpose until Incarna is released, and until then, the return of the hangar view (a much simpler and more efficient and effective route) solves the optimisation issues while still leaving plenty of room for improvements to the core gameplay and to long-lasting issues that should have been addressed years ago.
It would be like sprucing up the window sills when the window itself is bricked up and while the rest of the house is falling apart: the sill serves no purpose without the actual window, and knocking a hole in the wall to provide that purpose might not be the best idea considering the reinforcements the wall itself could useGǪ
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Blue Bitties
Republic University
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:55:00 -
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Lady Zarrina wrote:Sofia Bellard wrote:I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.
So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down. It is now very common to get less than 30k members logged in. It used to be very common to have over 40k. This drastic drop in actively logged in players is due to ignoring the desires of their existing customers. Where are all these new customers that came here for WiS. They are not here.
Fool, WiS isn't the same thing that CCP delivered with Incarna. I assume you walk outside on April 1st with an umbrella, look at the sun surprised and say "People lied to me about this being a rainy month." Nice logic. |
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
167
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Posted - 2011.10.09 18:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:I think its a mistake.
I mean honestly with how poorly optimized, generic, and buggy CQ is. Why would you want those Devs working on FiS? Because fixing the CQ doesn't serve any purpose until Incarna is released, and until then, the return of the hangar view (a much simpler and more efficient and effective route) solves the optimisation issues while still leaving plenty of room for improvements to the core gameplay and to long-lasting issues that should have been addressed years ago. It would be like sprucing up the window sills when the window itself is bricked up and while the rest of the house is falling apart: the sill serves no purpose without the actual window, and knocking a hole in the wall to provide that purpose might not be the best idea considering the reinforcements the wall itself could useGǪ
I don't think you got what I meant.
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Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2011.10.09 18:06:00 -
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Blue Bitties wrote:Lady Zarrina wrote:Sofia Bellard wrote:I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.
So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down. It is now very common to get less than 30k members logged in. It used to be very common to have over 40k. This drastic drop in actively logged in players is due to ignoring the desires of their existing customers. Where are all these new customers that came here for WiS. They are not here. Fool, WiS isn't the same thing that CCP delivered with Incarna. I assume you walk outside on April 1st with an umbrella, look at the sun surprised and say "People lied to me about this being a rainy month." Nice logic.
I agree 100% that is not what they delivered. They delivered a single room. They couldn't even deliver WiS after 4+ years. So let's give them more time. I am sure it was resource well spent. Fool.
Allocate resources to FiS |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
62
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Posted - 2011.10.09 18:08:00 -
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Bad troll bait is bad |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
398
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Posted - 2011.10.09 18:08:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:I don't think you got what I meant. Now that I re-read it, you're quite rightGǪ 
GǪso I'll just pretend you didn't refer to Gǣthose devsGǥ specifically. 
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Chronix Beebelbrox
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 18:08:00 -
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I am making an alt and targeting Sofia Bellard with every ISK scam there is because I now know who is the stupidest player in EVE.
Either that or a clever troll..... sadly I think it is the former. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
45
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Posted - 2011.10.09 18:17:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:I think its a mistake.
I mean honestly with how poorly optimized, generic, and buggy CQ is. Why would you want those Devs working on FiS?
I think this "new direction" is all too convenient for CCP.
Yes the character creator looks good. Very good. But by making it so they also put unparallelled high requirements on people's computers. Look at the CQ: for a lot of people it's laggy, very demanding on their computer and still the shades look horrible. Imagine a room full of moving, animating, gesturing avatars - it will become totally unplayable.
So .. instead of fixing it they just drop it and work on other things - where have I heard that before?
I think CCP devs overestimated themselves and this is just an easy way out.
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Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
16
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Posted - 2011.10.09 18:27:00 -
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You have got to be ******* KIDDING ME. This is the 3rd time I have hit "post" and the page simply reloads and deletes the small novel I wrote. But, it's part my fault; that's what the Clipboard is for. [insert obscene mutterings here]
Let me try and recreate this:
I've expressed this opinion before, but here it goes again.
Back when Apocrypha was released, we got the first real announcement regarding WiS: it was out of the conceptual phase. That doesn't sound like much, but to me it was progress, and I was thrilled. But right now, what we have is not what was promised, primarily because it's incomplete. Some, like myself, can look at a project in piecemeal and take it for what it is without issue. But many, and they are justified in this, feel they should not have an unfinished project thrown at them. We pay to play, not playtest. That's different, and people get paid for that. If you do want to play test, that's what Singularity and Duality are for. Also, in a world where cloning is commonplace and FTL travel is the norm, what I know of humanity tells me that fashion did not fall to the wayside. We need more stuff on the NEX, reasonably priced. And then there were Establishments. That got pushed back, to my dismay. I want my virtual space beer, CCP. WHERE IS MY VIRTUAL SPACE BEER!?
This next part is very important, so pay attention:
Flying in Space is, was, and forever will be the core of EVE. When I first started playing, a T2 battleship might as well have been the Flying Dutchman. I was never going to get into one. The people who flew those were all years old. That might be a bit exaggerated, but I was a n00b back then. I can't remember the price numbers, but they were far more respected than they are today. We didn't have incursions (read: money presses). WH were just being introduced in Apocrypha, and T3 ships came shortly after (an FiS addition). It was a smash. It was the precursor to Incursions really; fleet based PvP. There were and are people who can solo Sleepers, but most do it with fleets. The next expansion I wasn't around for. I started up again shortly after Incursion came out. Another FiS addition. Great stuff. It did contribute to inflation, but that was an unfortunate by-product of giving carebears a chance to fleet up in hisec.
But, now, a lot of players feel/felt disenfranchised with the current state of affairs, in no small part because FiS has not been receiving the strange, slightly perverted techie love that it deserves. And now many have left. By making FiS fun again, everyone benefits: Miners mine more (they always did that - mining was the original money press). Ratters rat more. Missioners mission more. PvPers fight more. Campers camp more (stationary targets are always a good thing). Explorers explore more. WH fleets WH fleet more. The results are good for everyone: salvage, loot, more salvage and more loot. Prices go down, and we have an EVE again. And best of all, we start seeing some worthwhile news from the Correspondent. Because the original draw of EVE for me, besides the internet spaceships, was that the story wasn't centered around some king I've never met or heard of who came back from the dead to do some such or another. The story was written ENTIRELY BY PLAYERS SIMPLY PLAYING THE GAME. Sovereignty change = news. POS assault = news. Hostile Takeovers and Bloodless Coups=news. Best. Story. EVAR.
TL;DR
I love what Incarna could be. I simply like what it is, though. We pay to play, not playtest. That's what the test servers are for. FiS is the most important. It needs love. FiS becomes fun again, and everything gets better. Internet Spaceships are SERIOUS BUSINESS
****EDIT****
In the hanagars, now, it's not just an empty void. I actually see a hangar. That's pretty cool.
So it goes. |
Honorabre Egg Rorr
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 18:52:00 -
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Nandy Cocytus wrote:.....
****EDIT****
In the hanagars, now, it's not just an empty void. I actually see a hangar. That's pretty cool.
Hory crap, that was rong
I agree, I wish CCP had continued moving forward with the vision they showcased 5 years ago. The poor imprementation of Incarna kind of puts fans of WiS in a tough spot. We feer rike we have to defend the concept of Amuration arone, as CCP abandons it for FiS, because they screwed up big time on Incarna
So for someone who has been waiting for it for 5 years, to see CCP screw it up feers awfur
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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 19:16:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:and the only issue with Incarna was the crap NeX store leaving no room for proper profiteering.
I was disapointed with the nex store -- the thing i like about ccp is that they are different then the other mmo companies out there so I expected that the nex door would be different then your usual real money market. IMO the nex store should not sell finsihed items, only unique limited run bpc and componets for items. That way a player can buy a bpc on the market then come into eve and create the items which then go onto the eve/dust market place where they can be bought and traded in the usual manner for isk. This way the players become invested in the items sold on the nex market as there is a mechanism for players to participate and profit from the sale of items that originated in the nex store. |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.10.09 20:55:00 -
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Sofia Bellard wrote:I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.
So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.
Life : A principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings
Incarna in its current state is not even close to filling this description.
and if you really think WIS was going to bring that much needed spark . I'm sorry to say we were all mislead.
Incarana is the proof the CCP has a lot of work left to make those Incarna dreams into a reality .
The NEX is further proof that CCP has rushed incarna content .
The new captains quarters just now coming fresh off the test servers is even more evidence that incarana was no were near ready for launch.
The promise of Incarna / wis is tantalizing yet the resources and time dedicated towards it have only produced a bit of glitz. and no real substance. (although i am forgetting the ui changes but still its not enough)
It is not a mistake that the majority of the player base wants CCP to fix FIS . because the gist of it is. If it took CCP 4+ years to introduce a walk in closet, and a virtual barbie doll . Who knows how long the core game would have to suffer, while they actually got too the real meat and potatoes of incarna. Frankly with the condition that FIS is in it could not go on another 4+ years with out some serious attention .
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