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Sofia Bellard
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:20:00 -
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I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.
So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.
Poor sad little pirates, -áwhy you so mad? |

Jooce McNasty
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:22:00 -
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0/10 |

Sofia Bellard
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:24:00 -
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Enough with the rating and troll naming crap, I'm serious.
These forums are for discussing things you know. If trolling is the only thing you are capable of then please go elsewhere.
Poor sad little pirates, -áwhy you so mad? |

Grideris
Fleet Coordination Command Fleet Coordination Coalition
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:26:00 -
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No, I don't.
Why? Because the actual game parts of the game, that stuff that you do in space? That needs a lot of love. Incarna can wait - spaceships come first, always. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:26:00 -
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Sofia Bellard wrote:If trolling is the only thing you are capable of then please go elsewhere. Yes, please do.
That, or edit your post to not be as obviously trollish.
0/10 GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Ruby Hotrod
X Generation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:29:00 -
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FiS needs a buff in general. Not just in null sec as the CSM and their buddies keep pushing to CCP. |

Jooce McNasty
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:30:00 -
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Your talking about a game that the main part of the game is flying in space. This WIS is crap a waste of resources and was poorly implemented. If you want to go play barbies go get them out of your toy chest and play with them.
If CCP would have actually put the effort in and release a full Incarna product them maybe I would have a completely different view on this but currently they released crap. There is nothing to do in this Incarna ****. I can sit on my couch and watch a useless TV.
This game has never been about barbies, its about pew pew and living in a sandbox.
Jooce |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:32:00 -
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You're a troll. That much is obvious. The core of Eve is internet spaceships and you completely dismiss that importance in your subject and post. Therefore, obvious troll is a troll. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:01:00 -
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Definitely 0/10. Must try harder. |

Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:02:00 -
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Ruby Hotrod wrote:FiS needs a buff in general. Not just in null sec as the CSM and their buddies keep pushing to CCP.
Yeah, because things like fixing hybrids will only work in nullsec. 
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:06:00 -
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I agree with the OP, I never fly in space so the FiS crap is completely useless.
We need more expansions like Tyrannis, and the only issue with Incarna was the crap NeX store leaving no room for proper profiteering. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |

Ruby Hotrod
X Generation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:09:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Ruby Hotrod wrote:FiS needs a buff in general. Not just in null sec as the CSM and their buddies keep pushing to CCP. Yeah, because things like fixing hybrids will only work in nullsec. 
That is just a minor fix compared to what your failCSM leader wants. |

Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
39
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:10:00 -
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Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:12:00 -
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Incarna while adding a new level, it isn't what we play for. Internet spaceships is where the gameplay is, the meat and potatoes.
Walking around and talking to people? great, but is it adding anything fun? Not really. |

Thomas Orca
Intaki Armaments Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:19:00 -
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Walking in Stations is an artistic achievement that the whole world looks upon in joy. |

Black Ops Bridge
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:21:00 -
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I AGREE COMPLETELY
For many of us, WiS was what kept us going all of these years.
Anyone remember Mothermoon? For godsakes?
I know that it's what kept me personally invested in this game. In fact when I made my first character everything I did with it was with the idea of WiS in mind. That was years ago.
Do I care about Assualt ships or FW? No honestly, not really.
I think the rage was driven by huge 0.0 alliances who we all know act like they're in Jr. High and form huge bully coalitions for whatever topic their leaders pick and then live their lives based on what their friends say is 'cool' including any ideas that they may have.
Somehow it became 'cool' to bash 'spacebarbie'. Which isn't what it is at all.
With the CSM (horrible idea by the way, the CSM) some weakminded members of CCP even fell victim to this.
Thinking also of that dipshit Soundwave who pandered and sucked up to little kids during the alliance tournament, agreeing with them about how 'spacebarbie is silly' out of the side of his mouth.
Why on earth would they ditch the only redeeming hope for this game is beyond me. |

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:24:00 -
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Personally I think refocussing on FiS for now is a good thing, firstly because fiS is on the verge of collapse and in dire need of som attention as in right NOW, and secondly because CCP obviosly havent thought hard enough abouth what Incarna should be for EVE Online. Most EVE Onkline players want EVE Online gamplay, not space-Barbie. EVE Online gamplay in the context of Incarna and full body avatars is not about dressing up, its about compettion, conflict and screwing eachother over.
I made this thread to expand my own ideas on the matter. |

Wot I Think
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:27:00 -
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Sofia Bellard wrote:I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.
So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.
0/10 |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:27:00 -
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Yes and No.
When I look at the up coming winter expansion I see a list of fixes and changes to FIS. Also I see the rest of the CQ's.
So basically if CCP gives the whiners there fixes and changes to FIS then CCP can slip in there Incarna additions as well.
This is not the first time CCP ran into Issues with an expansion. Several years ago CCP tryed to release a pure industrial expansion. There was an outcry and CCP backed off and handed out some FIS and a few industrial items.
So as long as CCP hands out FIS and slips in other items at the same time they will be okay. And then non-sandbox crowd (FIS only) can suck it up and deal.
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Lakshmii
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:33:00 -
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I like how anyone who disagrees with the FiS-focused folks is a troll. 10/10, got me good. a¦á_a¦¦a¦â |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:34:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Several years ago CCP tryed to release a pure industrial expansion. There was an outcry and CCP backed off and handed out some FIS and a few industrial items. If it's QR you're talking about then no, that's not really what happenedGǪ
Quote:And then non-sandbox crowd (FIS only) Funny thing that: FIS is the sandbox. WiS doesn't even offer a bucket and spade GÇö it's all theme park window shopping. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:39:00 -
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0/10 CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quote:And then non-sandbox crowd (FIS only) Funny thing that: FIS is the sandbox. WiS doesn't even offer a bucket and spade GÇö it's all theme park window shopping.
Well no kidding, the we don't want it stop what you are doing left us with CQ. Kind of hard to play in a sandbox if you don't let them put in the sand.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:48:00 -
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Ah thanks, I've been looking for that code.
P.S OP's been fairly successful, thread's already Page 2  |

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:55:00 -
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Sofia Bellard wrote:I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.
So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.
No. Go back to WoW/Second Life/Sims. |

David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:57:00 -
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Sofia Bellard wrote:I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.
So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.
FiS should always take priority over WiS
I subscribe to play a space ship game and if i wanted a second life style game, guess what? i'd play second life
why should CCP let FiS continue be neglected anymore in favour of a feature WiS in which the majority of players have turned off.
There is many broken mechanics in the game for so long now... almost 2 years of neglect of FiS shows us how many players are fed up of it. Subs are definitely down and so much so it has Hilmar worried and wrinting apology blogs. |

Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
25
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Simetraz wrote:Several years ago CCP tryed to release a pure industrial expansion. There was an outcry and CCP backed off and handed out some FIS and a few industrial items. If it's QR you're talking about then no, that's not really what happenedGǪ Quote:And then non-sandbox crowd (FIS only) Funny thing that: FIS is the sandbox. WiS doesn't even offer a bucket and spade GÇö it's all theme park window shopping.
And this is why WiS can never be implemented cause no matter how many times they try to appease FiS people they'll always say how WiS is not needed and how it doesn't fit a Sci-Fi game theme. These people are Zealots..
And don't know what in the hell they are talking about.. To be a fully implemented Sci-Fi simulator all parts of interaction would be needed. FiS is only ONE part of this game it does not in anyway make up the entirety of EVE. It is a the biggest chunk, but that does not warrent it to being the only part in this game.
One can only get so imearsed into a ship, You have no real respresentation of yourself. That's what WiS was supposed to bring us. It's not just fluff or barbie-dolls in space. There was a purpose to WiS, getting people out of their ships and giving them the chance to immearse themselves even further into EVE's rich background.
Star Trek had some WiS right.. Star Wars has some WiS.. Aliens had WiS ...Starship Troopers WiS... Battlestar Gallactica WiS right.. Predetors WiS right.. Hell Red Dwarf even had WiS and they stayed in ONE damn ship the whole series..
All of them bonofied Sci-Fi Universes all of them with some form of WiS.. So people that say a Sci-Fi simulator based on spaceships doesn't have some form of WiS and interacting with the others of the universe in a variety of WiS settings are just being ignorant...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:08:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Well no kidding, the we don't want it stop what you are doing left us with CQ. Kind of hard to play in a sandbox if you don't let them put in the sand. There's no point in letting them put anything in before they even know what it isGǪ
GǪunless you want to discover one day that you're dropped face down i box of nails.
The other problem is that these particular nails (or whatever they turn out to be) are so costly and so cumbersome to get into place that they clog up the roads and keeps the sand and spade delivery trucks from coming through.
Apollo-Moor wrote:And this is why WiS can never be implemented cause no matter how many times they try to appease FiS people they'll always say how WiS is not needed and how it doesn't fit a Sci-Fi game theme. Any particular reason why you quoted me for that particular comment? I ask because what you just said had ****-all to do with what I said.
Quote:So people that say a Sci-Fi simulator based on spaceships doesn't have some form of WiS and interacting with the others of the universe in a variety of WiS settings are just being ignorant... By the way, this is what's commonly known as a straw man: you're attacking a position that doesn't exist. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
25
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:11:00 -
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I'd like to say though that CCP switching directions on Incarna to refocus on the actual working parts of EVE such as FiS is not bad.. The bad part was the deception up to this point. If they had just been real 6 or even 3 months ago. They would be past the flack they are recieving now. Most that are upset much like myself are not upset at the fact they are switching directions.
Its' the fact that they acted like nothing was "wrong" with Incarna up to this point other than some over-heating issues and final touches to establishments. Up till a week ago, we were in the belief that even tho Incarna might of been no so luster and a little broken without fully implented establishments that it would at least work.
That is not the case.. It's broken completely and has been broken the entire time. WIth every development post the DEVs blog on about it success and improvements. EACH of those were lies, they gave the impression of success not of the impending doom of WiS as it is just not possible at this phase of EVE in general from the technological standpoint.
Because Incarna would be great for EVE outside of Tech specs. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:12:00 -
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I actually don't mind getting WiS, but we don't have that we have WiB atm. CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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