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If trolling is the only thing you are capable of then please go elsewhere.

FiS needs a buff in general. Not just in null sec as the CSM and their buddies keep pushing to CCP.

Yeah, because things like fixing hybrids will only work in nullsec.

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I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.

So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.

Several years ago CCP tryed to release a pure industrial expansion.
There was an outcry and CCP backed off and handed out some FIS and a few industrial items.

And then non-sandbox crowd (FIS only)

Funny thing that: FIS is the sandbox. WiS doesn't even offer a bucket and spade GÇö it's all theme park window shopping.

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I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.

So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.

I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.

So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.

If it's QR you're talking about then no, that's not really what happenedGǪ
Funny thing that: FIS is the sandbox. WiS doesn't even offer a bucket and spade GÇö it's all theme park window shopping.

Well no kidding, the we don't want it stop what you are doing left us with CQ.
Kind of hard to play in a sandbox if you don't let them put in the sand.

And this is why WiS can never be implemented cause no matter how many times they try to appease FiS people they'll always say how WiS is not needed and how it doesn't fit a Sci-Fi game theme.

So people that say a Sci-Fi simulator based on spaceships doesn't have some form of WiS and interacting with the others of the universe in a variety of WiS settings are just being ignorant...

I like how anyone who disagrees with the FiS-focused folks is a troll. 10/10, got me good.

I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.

So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.

But everytime WiS is mentioned they will gun it down. Some absolutely believe it has no place in a Sci-Fi game such as EVE. So I don't see any straws being grasped there. It's just a whole bunch of fact and a fist-full of WiS hatters.

they won't throw away incarna crap, they are just started to focus more on the next stuff


incarna literally was not an expansion. in winter you will get the other CQs... maybe next winter u can leave the station and have a conference room with up to 8 people
maybe in 5 years you can enter a station and see 50 other people. the requirments of CQ alone justify waiting until the adverage computer catches up.

next, some things in FIS have been broken for a long time. its time to fix it. if incarna is the backside of each expansion everyone will be happy. but we never want to see

oh yea FIS gets nothing here is incarna please buy $70 monocle.

they won't throw away incarna crap, they are just started to focus more on the next stuff


incarna literally was not an expansion. in winter you will get the other CQs... maybe next winter u can leave the station and have a conference room with up to 8 people
maybe in 5 years you can enter a station and see 50 other people. the requirments of CQ alone justify waiting until the adverage computer catches up.

next, some things in FIS have been broken for a long time. its time to fix it. if incarna is the backside of each expansion everyone will be happy. but we never want to see

oh yea FIS gets nothing here is incarna please buy $70 monocle.

I like how anyone who disagrees with the FiS-focused folks is a troll. 10/10, got me good.

I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.

So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.

At least the WIS crowd doesn't go out of their way shooting monuments at Jita...

I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.

So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.

Yes and No.

When I look at the up coming winter expansion I see a list of fixes and changes to FIS.
Also I see the rest of the CQ's.

So basically if CCP gives the whiners there fixes and changes to FIS then CCP can slip in there Incarna additions as well.

This is not the first time CCP ran into Issues with an expansion.
Several years ago CCP tryed to release a pure industrial expansion.
There was an outcry and CCP backed off and handed out some FIS and a few industrial items.

So as long as CCP hands out FIS and slips in other items at the same time they will be okay.
And then non-sandbox crowd (FIS only) can suck it up and deal.

Yeah, because things like fixing hybrids will only work in nullsec.

Yeah because Mittens ISNT doing what he said ...right? lol

I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.

So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.

I think its a mistake.

I mean honestly with how poorly optimized, generic, and buggy CQ is. Why would you want those Devs working on FiS?

It is now very common to get less than 30k members logged in. It used to be very common to have over 40k. This drastic drop in actively logged in players is due to ignoring the desires of their existing customers. Where are all these new customers that came here for WiS. They are not here.

Because fixing the CQ doesn't serve any purpose until Incarna is released, and until then, the return of the hangar view (a much simpler and more efficient and effective route) solves the optimisation issues while still leaving plenty of room for improvements to the core gameplay and to long-lasting issues that should have been addressed years ago.

It would be like sprucing up the window sills when the window itself is bricked up and while the rest of the house is falling apart: the sill serves no purpose without the actual window, and knocking a hole in the wall to provide that purpose might not be the best idea considering the reinforcements the wall itself could useGǪ

Fool, WiS isn't the same thing that CCP delivered with Incarna. I assume you walk outside on April 1st with an umbrella, look at the sun surprised and say "People lied to me about this being a rainy month." Nice logic.

I don't think you got what I meant.

I think its a mistake.

I mean honestly with how poorly optimized, generic, and buggy CQ is. Why would you want those Devs working on FiS?

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In the hanagars, now, it's not just an empty void. I actually see a hangar. That's pretty cool.

and the only issue with Incarna was the crap NeX store leaving no room for proper profiteering.

I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.

So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.

FiS should always take priority over WiS

I subscribe to play a space ship game and if i wanted a second life style game, guess what? i'd play second life

why should CCP let FiS continue to be neglected anymore in favour of a feature WiS in which the majority of players have turned off.

There is many broken mechanics in the game for so long now... almost 2 years of neglect of FiS shows us how many players are fed up of it. Subs are definitely down and so much so it has Hilmar worried and writing apology blogs.

Null sec has been stagnating for a long time. Super capital proliferation (and the power of these ships) is killing null sec and getting worse all the time. The sov mechanics need to be revisted as they simply are not much fun. There are may sub capital balancing issues that lead to whole ship classes being largely irrelevant. When it comes to balancing existing ships/items/features these are relatively 'cheap' changes in development terms. Balancing blasters requires no new art or programming work but could make many ships into viable options again. Balancing capitals can hugely change the null sec (and low sec) dynamics but again need no art and relatively little programming.

Again, really who cares for nullsec and capital ships beside the 1% of players there. Look at the galaxy map, most people are in empire. I say nullsec and capital ships after Walking in Station.

Enough with the rating and troll naming crap, I'm serious.

These forums are for discussing things you know. If trolling is the only thing you are capable of then please go elsewhere.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount

That's a pretty big "1%" there, buddy. And that's just the alliances who have sov - there are quite a few of some size including my own dear INIT. with a 4-digit member count who don't even show up on that list.

Not to mention the empire alts, which are at least the same again.

0.0 isn't quite the minority demographic that many like to believe it is.

Walking in Stations is an artistic achievement that the whole world looks upon in joy.

Yeah, because things like fixing hybrids will only work in nullsec.

I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.

So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.

Divert 90% to FiS and leave the last 10% for Incarna. Incarna is fluff. It's NOT content.

Rather add a checkbox button (for or against Incarna) on account page and send NEX items money and subscriptions from those pro Incarna toward Incarna. I am confident that soon this will be the main source of income. Especially since most veterans incarna haters are old players just going to farm isk an hour or 2 to get plex for their sub. Money is not coming much from them i believe. Beside that all past expansions have been about flying and none for walking in station who is pushed back now for 6 years. How many of pro incarna subs have been used for your pleasure ?

Do you understand how plex works? For every plex bought with isk someone has to spend RL monies on it. If all vets just spend isk on these plex then who is actually buying them from CCP? They still make the same amount of money. Eventually if people stopped buying plex from CCP all the plex would be used up and then they would just go back to paying with RL monies.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount

That's a pretty big "1%" there, buddy. And that's just the alliances who have sov - there are quite a few of some size including my own dear INIT. with a 4-digit member count who don't even show up on that list.

Not to mention the empire alts, which are at least the same again.

0.0 isn't quite the minority demographic that many like to believe it is.

Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop?

Actually, most of the player base joined for the FIS...and it wasn't until Incarna, that the player numbers started to fall.

In "many players", how many is "many players"?...give us concrete numbers, and then I will show you how many active players were lost since Incarna, with concrete numbers.

All that being said...good troll! I had a good bite so, 6/10. You failed getting 10/10, because obvious is obvious.

Perhaps player numbers started to fall because players got bored doing the same stuff every day.
I cannot imagine how hard-core space players even bother with something they will hardly ever see, because: Aren't they supposed to be in space all the time?

I can give you 4 out of 10 new players on our forums - all good pilots - are very disappointed with no avatar meeting options this winter.

Now go shoot something and spin your ship.

Numbers fell because everyone took an emo trip about micro transactions.

FiS neglected ??? All past expansions have been about FiS improvements, new ships, System Sovereignty, etc.. . Tell me one who didn't focus on space. This is 6 years Walking in Station is pushed back to cater to one side only.

I think that alot of players are not being specific enough in their complaints. While there have been fairly recent 'flying in space' additions, these have mostly been PvE additions. Not PvP.

Enough with the rating and troll naming crap, I'm serious.

These forums are for discussing things you know. If trolling is the only thing you are capable of then please go elsewhere.

I really think this is a bad move. Incarna has breathed life into this game and pulling the resources now would be a mistake. Many players joined this game because of it and now you want to stop? Please keep iterating on it. I know there is those rabble rabble lobby groups crying everywhere, but they have a ton of FiS stuff to do and play with.

So please reconsider this winter expansion and focus it on Incarna iteration. I have faith in you CCP, don't let me down.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount

That's a pretty big "1%" there, buddy. And that's just the alliances who have sov - there are quite a few of some size including my own dear INIT. with a 4-digit member count who don't even show up on that list.

Not to mention the empire alts, which are at least the same again.

0.0 isn't quite the minority demographic that many like to believe it is.

No, I don't.

Why? Because the actual game parts of the game, that stuff that you do in space? That needs a lot of love. Incarna can wait - spaceships come first, always.