Seagull: Enablers are the people who make the logistics for these large-scale things actually work. They are people who run mad spreadsheets to organize production lines for war efforts, they are people who manage roles and membership of big corporations and alliances, they build tools to do different tasks. And we kind of have a history of treating these people likeGǪ****. We put these people through a lot of painful, unnecessary work.

Unifex stated that what CCP did was spend effort and prototype what would make a good POS system. It would, however, only affect the group of people who manage POSes. Focusing that amount of time and effort on some small singular aspect of the game and delivering only that GÇ£is what will kill the businessGÇ¥.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Just this afternoon we got an infodump from CCP, asking for our feedback on the earliest stages of their planning for the next expansion and beyond -- this is well before any decisions have been made.

It seems like the wardec discussion got a bit heated.

There was a definite step away from rhetoric suggesting exact features and changes. My best guess would be that this is an "expectation management" exercise. Not necessarily a bad thing either.

Could someone from the CSM confirm if this was intentional and discussed?

So let me get this straight in terms of what i read pertaining to the FW discussion...

The caldari are having "demoralization issues"..

Did anyone on the CSM or part of these meetings even bother to talk to any of us directly, in private conversation? If so, did you take into account what corp or alliance you talked to? I implore people from the CSM or devs to contact me directly, and hear what my alliance believes to be our "issues". I honestly don't feel like we (Caldari Militia) have been properly represented as an entity. I approach you all on the level, and hope to have the same done to myself.

CSM doods: What ship redesigns were you shown?


And I'll summarize the important part of the minutes:

CCP: "LULZ. YOU THOUGHT WE WERE REDOING POSES. LULZ."

So, basically, a nice FU there.

This is where CCP comes into the thread and pretends they haven't been raising our hopes on modular POSes the last year and that it was all in our heads.

Simply taking existing modules and and prettying them up and making them snap together in a modular way does not touch sovereignty. It doesn't have to change how ANYTHING else is done..

GÇ£We need things that only a few people can achieve, but it shouldnGÇÖt be based on how long youGÇÖve played the gameGÇ¥.

I hope I am wrong, but I get the impression there is no POS revamp/design coming? The "right team is not available" excuse has run its course and now the truth is coming out. Everyone seems to agree they need to be reworked. But unless we can sell it as a full release, you are SOL.

Too bad that magical team wasn't available before the release design changes. Instead we got the inventory changes. (Now these were not all bad, but I still firmly believe those changes should have been way behind a POS revamp)

Unifex stated that what CCP did was spend effort and prototype what would make a good POS system. It
would, however, only affect the group of people who manage POSes. Focusing that amount of time and
effort on some small singular aspect of the game and delivering only that GÇ£is what will kill the businessGÇ¥.

there isn't exactly a thread on the change in direction re:modular POSs and they're spread throughout the minutes, so I'm going to stand here on my soapbox and yell into the wind, and hope someone pays attention